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deuce4
climber
Hobart, Australia
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Apr 23, 2009 - 05:19pm PT
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That guy in the second photo looks pretty happy to see the light of day. Pretty much sums up the whole hammock experience.
Would like to see what Raydog had in mind a few posts (and a few years) back. We (at the old A5) tried to create a better hammock type bivy with two different designs (one by me, and one by Minerals), and though both were a vast improvement over the Forrest type (actually BAT type) rig, they weren't comfy enough to make the grade.
Edit: Russ had something pretty cool sometime back--not sure it ever caught on.
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Russ Walling
Gym climber
Vulva, Wyoming
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Apr 23, 2009 - 05:45pm PT
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Deuce: maybe the One Night Stand? It's actually is comfy and all that, but nearly as pricey as a real ledge, so most people just get a real ledge. We still sell them, a few a year.
I spent exactly one night in a hammock, with a spreader bar..... in the middle of the night I was certain my collar bone was broken and then when I moved, I realized I also had a broken pelvis, broken femur, and a liver laceration.
All were quickly healed once I got back to the comfort of hanging free air in my 1" swami with no leg loops.
Hammocks straight up blow assss™™™™
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F10
Trad climber
e350
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Apr 23, 2009 - 05:58pm PT
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Alpine winter hammock bivies suck, froze my a## off,
Hammocks are ok some of the time, liteweight and don't take up much room
I prefer my ledge
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Knave
climber
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Apr 23, 2009 - 06:00pm PT
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Slept in a Forrest Wall Womb once and while fiddling around trying to get comfortable I shot the shoulder spreader like a bow and arrow. Says to myself, "Miserable"!! Get a ledge.
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Double D
climber
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Apr 23, 2009 - 06:05pm PT
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They suck...
But are way better that a butt bag bivi...
Kurt Rieder and Bill Price on 1st Nose Attempt, ages: 15 & 16
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wildone
climber
GHOST TOWN
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Apr 23, 2009 - 11:27pm PT
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Anyone BEEN in a pika parasite?
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Bldrjac
Ice climber
Boulder
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Apr 23, 2009 - 11:34pm PT
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Yeah, I've got a Pika Parasite and it does not suck. The two spreader bars seem to work just fine. After a day of hauling and aid climbing I'm usually bushed enough that I can sleep in anything. However, it is the best hammock I've used.
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wildone
climber
GHOST TOWN
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Apr 23, 2009 - 11:41pm PT
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THANK YOU. Every time I look at it and consider buying it, I always stick on not knowing anyone who has personally been in one. I'm not a complainer, and my whole attitude has been "deal with it" in regard to bivies, so I think if it's even mildly uncomfortable, it'll be awesome!
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hooblie
climber
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Apr 24, 2009 - 12:26am PT
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shouldn't fail to mention that an enormous amount of water can be captured as it flows in sheets down the wall. that impossible to enter sleeping bag is in no danger of blowing away. it sloshes listlessly in the pool while you batman your way into a spinning bladder relief position. the yellow snow which has accumulated under your chin should rinse away nicely if you ever manage cobra position, tho arms will be pinned behind you in a compessed swan dive. this akwardness is the chief reason the bottle thing didn't work. too exhausted to consider re-entering the bag, it can now be used to pad the chickenhead which has been digging into your hip. don't slosh over the side onto your partner, he's shivering in his own sock soup and is getting kind of cranky.
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wildone
climber
GHOST TOWN
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Apr 24, 2009 - 02:22pm PT
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That's true-I'll probably just punch all the water in the balls as it tries to get in bed with me. That's how I keep girls from getting into bivies with me (I'm taken, ladies). Or I'll just play hard to want, and the water will be repelled. Hard to want works a lot better than hard to get, in my opinion.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Apr 24, 2009 - 03:46pm PT
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I've spent several nights in a two-point, Robbins-style hammock, and slept pretty well each time. I had a 3/4-inch ensolite pad, which helped, but I was usually so tired my sleep-to-vigil ratio was at least 90%, which was the same as what I usually do on a ledge. Would not want to be in one in a storm, though.
John
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the Fet
Supercaliyosemistic climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Apr 24, 2009 - 06:43pm PT
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It depends who's in there with you.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Apr 24, 2009 - 10:58pm PT
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All you have to do is look at the picture of Robbins
in the hammock and think. . . um, this doesn't look good!
Hooray! for whoever invented the LEDGE!!!!1111
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Ray-J
Social climber
socal
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Sep 22, 2009 - 04:40pm PT
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Deuce4,
I will be working on one this winter
And will post pics so U can check it out.
It will be a featherweight thing,
Integrated deployment bag -
The crux issues hopefully being minimized
To make the thing reasonable to actually use :)
And still very light.
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rockermike
Mountain climber
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Sep 22, 2009 - 04:45pm PT
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I'll confirm what someone said above; only thing worse than a hammock bivy is a harness and slings bivy. Can't wait to get moving again.
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Ray-J
Social climber
socal
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Sep 22, 2009 - 04:49pm PT
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Sad truth is, the forrest wall womb "scallops"
Do exactly the opposite of what you want :)
Have always thought this funny, an oft imitated idea.
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montgomery wick
Social climber
Baltoro Glacier, Pakistan
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Sep 22, 2009 - 04:56pm PT
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The thought process is invariably, its cheap & light, surely I can endure one night in it. Regardless, I will be so tired from climbing I will sleep like a...I mean, how bad could it be?....
...so, before a real wall, spent a night on the second pitch of climb after a day of climbing to get full affect....and...
worst.night.ever.
beg, borrow or steal a ledge or choose a wall route that has natural ledges...
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Ray-J
Social climber
socal
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Sep 22, 2009 - 05:15pm PT
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Anyone got a pic of a pika parasiite hammock
They could post - b neat to see one.
I don't blame folks for decrying the hammock thing:
Exact reason I think some attention in the design realm
Might be fun.
Ps - I did an image search for the pika unit, nada.
No big tho - just curious.
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nutjob
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Sep 22, 2009 - 09:06pm PT
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Here's an idea (feel free to patent it, just make sure you stamp a little inscription like "nutjob is great!" somewhere on the finished product):
1) support infrastructure of a hammock
2) zip on a sleepingbag with integrated fly on the top side
3) zip on a sleepingbag with integrated fly on the bottom side
4) embed a screw-on adaptor on the bottom in the middle, which couples to surgical tubing to capture piss without unzipping from the bag. Doubles as a drain if you accidentally fill up your bag with rain or run-off.
That way you have the hammock to use in any weather, and your down/synthetic material won't get crushed between you and the hammock itself. And if it's too hot, you can leave the insulation behind to save weight/space.
Still have to address the issue of smashing the insulation against the rock if you're on a slab or tight corner. But for free-hanging, you'll be in good shape. Add an isosceles triangle frame on top with short side to the wall, suspend the the hammock from 2 points (apex furthest from wall, and the center point of the bar near the wall), and you can get your body away from the wall to be warmer and more comfortable.
But then you have to carry the upper support bars, so why not just do a regular portaledge? Can probably save some weight, but lose the convenience of a flat place to spread stuff out. Maybe there's a market....
Edit: You sell 'em the basic hammock first, then sell em the bad weather upgrade kit, and then sell a comfort upgrade kit with the triangular frame to make it more comfortable for 2 points away from the wall.
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dee ee
Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
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Sep 22, 2009 - 09:14pm PT
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The Troll could handle it!
Zodiac '81
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