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Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Jul 27, 2013 - 08:10am PT
"Progressive"= closeted fascist

Ah, the old "if you don't tolerate fascists, you must be a fascist" nonsense.

Curt
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 27, 2013 - 01:19pm PT
http://www.ibtimes.com/your-cable-box-spying-you-behavior-detecting-devices-verizon-microsoft-others-worry-privacy-1361587
command error

Trad climber
Colorado
Jul 27, 2013 - 02:52pm PT
NSA did record all of Anthony Weiner's phone sex calls?
Last week the White House requested and was given access to the full audio recording files sighting expanded Patriot Act powers?

There may be up to 100 sexting calls in this particular file dated between 2010 and 2013 but is unconfirmed?
[9]
Aids would not comment when asked if Obama listened to some of the recordings for national security reasons? The ex New York congressmans premature orgasms should not pose a security threat but parallel [12] investigations are ongoing by many concerned parties at the spy agency and the WH ?



TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 28, 2013 - 11:20am PT
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/07/glenn-greenwald-low-level-nsa-analysts-have-powerful-and-invasive-search-tool/
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jul 29, 2013 - 12:51pm PT
MapLight, the Berkeley-based campaign finance website, has aggregated the numbers and found that lawmakers “voting to continue the NSA’s dragnet surveillance programs received on average 122 percent more money ($41,635) from defense contractors and other defense industry interests than did representatives who voted to end the programs (18,765).
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jul 30, 2013 - 10:16am PT
Verdict is out: Not guilty of aiding enemy.
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Jul 30, 2013 - 10:19am PT
Like! Freedom rings.

Next question: why haven't GLBT groups supported him? Could it be they are 'in bed' with the military?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jul 30, 2013 - 10:21am PT
Manning guilty of 5 espionage counts.
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Jul 30, 2013 - 10:39am PT
Manning will get locked up in solitary confinement in an SHU for the rest of his life, and will lose his mind like most do after a few years of solitary. I guess its good that he didn't aid the enemy. RT is reporting that the Russian immigration authorities are warning Snowden that he is not safe if he leaves the airport. Not sure what threats they refer to.
I'm supposed to debate some dude about drones in about an hour. Got to study up on it.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jul 30, 2013 - 01:42pm PT
Would love to hear your debate, Don.


We all are living in interesting times.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Jul 30, 2013 - 02:07pm PT
Today we have a "money economy" - with some people being "have's" and some people being "have-not's". A recent report told us that 4 of 5 Americans are now experiencing what it is to be "poor" and a few experiencing what it is to be extremely rich. Fewer and fewer are in the middle. In Scandinavia we're still a lot better off than you are in America, but I'm afraid the players of the "internationalisation money game" will soon get to us. And in Norway we will soon elect a conservative government. Their intentions will be good, but my best guess is that their actions will strengthen the patterns making a few extremely rich and more and more people poor and dependent on the extremely rich.

In the future we will also have a "surveillance information economy" with a few people on the top being "have's" and the masses beneath being "have-not's". All information patterns from the surveillance system will then to the few on top be accessible and valid information used strategically to involve the few they prefer and exclude the many not of interest to their goals - mainly more power and more money. And let's add - more information. It will be the players' world.

We have to be careful or we will soon be there...
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Jul 30, 2013 - 02:12pm PT
"This is my resignation letter. I’m walking out on in silence. In the future there will be no need for people like me because there won’t be a democracy to save, just private interests, battles for more power, more money. The few files I take with me regard men who must save themselves from the storm, black souls, mercenary captains. Yet, as we’ve already seen in history, they’ll be the rulers of the chaos."

Fascinating? Yes... fascinating as it is when you see the eagle strike the dove or the viper bite your neighbour...
Reeotch

Trad climber
4 Corners Area
Jul 30, 2013 - 02:46pm PT
Obama should pardon Manning.

I mean, we've already given the government a free pass on the constitution.

What's a few espionage statutes?

Fair's fair . . .
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Jul 30, 2013 - 02:53pm PT
The state of exception (Agamben - written some time between 2001 and 2006)):

"In the speech he delivered to Congress when it was finally convened on July 4, the american president openly justified his actions as the holder of a supreme power to violate the constitution in a situation of necessity. "Whether strictly legal or not," he declared, the measures he had adopted had been taken "under what appeared to be a popular demand and a public necessity" in the certainty that Congress would ratify them. They were based on the conviction that even fundamental law could be violated if the very existence of the union and the juridical order were at stake ("Are all the laws but one to go unexecuted, and the Government itself go to pieces lest that one be violated?").

Because the sovereign power of the president is essentially grounded in the emergency linked to a state of war, over the course of the twentieth century the metaphor of war becomes an integral part of the presidential political vocabulary whenever decisions considered to be of vital importance are being imposed. Thus, in 1933, Franklin D. Roosevelt was able to assume extraordinary powers to cope with the Great Depression by presenting his actions as those of a commander during a military campaign.

President Bush's decision to refer to himself constantly as the "Commander in Chief of the Army" after September 11, 2001, must be considered in the context of this presidential claim to sovereign powers in emergency situations. If, as we have seen, the assumption of this title entails a direct reference to the state of exception, then Bush is attempting to produce a situation in which the emergency becomes the rule, and the very distinction between peace and war (and between foreign and civil war) becomes impossible."

And what have you become, my friends, what have you become...
Reeotch

Trad climber
4 Corners Area
Jul 30, 2013 - 03:28pm PT
^^^ [never mind, I'm afraid to speak freely] ^^^
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Jul 31, 2013 - 06:37pm PT
More info is revealed. Snowden and Glenn Greenwald are the best thing that has happened to the US for some time now.

XKeyscore: NSA tool collects 'nearly everything a user does on the internet'
 http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/31/nsa-top-secret-program-online-data

XKeyscore presentation from 2008 – read in full
 http://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/jul/31/nsa-xkeyscore-program-full-presentation


Presenting XKeyscore: What the N.S.A. Is Still Hiding : The New Yorker
 http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/closeread/2013/07/presenting-xkeyscore-what-the-nsa-is-still-hiding.html
froodish

Social climber
Portland, Oregon
Jul 31, 2013 - 07:12pm PT
Senators take intelligence officials to the mat over secret courts, phone metadata:

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/07/senators-take-intelligence-officials-to-the-mat-over-secret-courts-phone-metadata/

Sounding the alarm: Ars speaks with vocal NSA critic Sen. Ron Wyden:


http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/07/two-years-later-senators-criticism-of-nsa-spying-sinks-in/

Yup, only the fringe kook bloggers care about this.

fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jul 31, 2013 - 08:15pm PT
But the bulk of the Sheeple still sleep. The ones that wake focus their displeasure on the current puppet in chief. The rest divide their limited attentions to identifying with the Blue or Red team.

While the media/propaganda machine spins Snowden into a "traitor" for daring to do the one thing that might save us all.... to tell the truth.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jul 31, 2013 - 09:49pm PT
OK, Snowden's name appears only at the very end of the artice, but super interesting (and related) nonetheless:

link: Top Ten Ways Bradley Manning Changed the World


From this:

2. Manning revealed the full extent of the corruption of Tunisian dictator Zine El Abidin Ben Ali, adding fuel to the youth protest movement of late 2010, which translated the relevant US cables into Arabic. Manning contributed to the outbreak of powerful youth movements demanding more democratic governance in the Arab world.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jul 31, 2013 - 10:04pm PT
froodish, those are two excellent articles.

The ending of the second one is very succinct:

Ars: Anything else you want to add?

Sen. Wyden: This is a unique time in our constitutional history. There's been a combination of dramatic changes in technology and sweeping decisions from the FISA court. If we don't take the opportunity to revise our surveillance laws now—to show that security and liberty can go hand in hand—all of us are going to regret it.
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