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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
May 14, 2013 - 03:15pm PT
Really the problem is the premise that the threat of terrorism justifies pretty much anything. Now that everyone is desensitized to water boarding and assassinations and all that some snooping into records doesn't seem that bad.

We reap what we sow.
ncrockclimber

climber
The Desert Oven
May 14, 2013 - 03:16pm PT
^^^^^

+1,000
Speigl

climber
May 14, 2013 - 07:18pm PT
Does anyone remember this one, from about a year ago?

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/06/26/12419687-gop-senators-ask-wheres-outrage-on-intel-leaks?lite

Insert cliche about making sausage.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 14, 2013 - 07:59pm PT
rSin,

I agree with you 100% about GITMO

they are human beings being held for over ten years now

without being tried, convicted or released

their existence there is miserable

they want to die so bad they are trying to starve themselves to death

and our people shove feeding tubes down their throats every day to keep them alive

President Obama signed an Executive Order close GITMO over four years ago

and the Republicans blocked the closing by refusing to allow a simple majority vote in the Senate

it is horrible that America is treating those people that way, regardless of whether they were wrongly arrested or forcibly recruited by El Queda
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 14, 2013 - 08:19pm PT
its really a shame we got stuck with this BOY who refuses be president

wow, nice one rSin

especially like how you worked in BOY
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
May 14, 2013 - 08:26pm PT
Conservatives dont give a damn about press freedom,

its just like the deficit or unemployment,
NEVER heard about those either, till obama came along


Bush Used the IRS, FBI, CIA and Secret Service to Go After Opponents -- Where Was the Fox and GOP Outrage?
http://www.alternet.org/bush-used-irs-fbi-cia-and-secret-service-go-after-opponents-where-was-fox-and-gop-outrage?page=0%2C1

So it's okay if Dems do it now? It's just a matter of party-affiliation?

Do you have equal dissent against these actions? Or is Obama exempt?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
May 14, 2013 - 08:33pm PT
So it's okay if Dems do it now? It's just a matter of party-affiliation?

Nope and nope. Now answer the question about President Bush. Directly. If you've the courage../.

DMT
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
May 14, 2013 - 08:42pm PT
Nope and nope. Now answer the question about President Bush. Directly. If you've the courage../.

DMT


What question is that?

EDIT:
good people call the doctor and ambulance when theres a heart attack
all your calling for is burning the house down


What did you call for with Bush/Cheney?
10b4me

Ice climber
Soon 2B Arizona
May 14, 2013 - 09:14pm PT
"When's the last time you went climbing?

I'm going climbing tomorrow :-)
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
May 14, 2013 - 09:28pm PT
"When's the last time you went climbing?"

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!

DMT


I don't know how that's relevant, but 2 weeks ago. Fishing last weekend with the boy.

Funny how you gauge people. Very judgemental.
nutjob

Sport climber
Almost to Hollywood, Baby!
Topic Author's Reply - May 14, 2013 - 09:31pm PT
I think making this a partisan issue is a distraction. Who cares Obama Bush etc... the point here is something that is bigger than the ideology of democrats or republicans.

This is at the fundamental heart of the principles of democracy, the ideas behind creating an institution with safeguards to limit the power that the "haves" can accumulate at the expense of the "have-nots."

It's easy to act all glib and cool/jaded about expecting these things, saying how we're all doomed or we're so naive or we don't know what's coming still (the political version of "yer gonna die"). That's about as useful to our society as being completely ignorant. It's a willful surrender and its cowardly if you think what's happening is wrong. My point in making this first post was to spread awareness, to create a shift in perception and increase the general feeling of the populace in the direction of "we're not gonna take it."

I'm a coward too, in that I'm not doing everything I can possibly do fight this threat to our society. I pick and choose my battles, and sometimes I don't give it everything I've got. In the end, we deserve the government we help to make.
nutjob

Sport climber
Almost to Hollywood, Baby!
Topic Author's Reply - May 14, 2013 - 09:43pm PT
This is what I like to hear:
Lawmakers from both parties on Tuesday criticized the Justice Department's decision to obtain the AP records. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid called the action "inexcusable."

Update:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/14/us-usa-justice-ap-idUSBRE94C0ZW20130514
nutjob

Sport climber
Almost to Hollywood, Baby!
Topic Author's Reply - May 14, 2013 - 09:56pm PT
"seized" might imply heavy boots marching in and taking by physical force.

A subpoena from a government agency carries that implied threat if you do not comply. It's like your boss "asking" you to do something, multiplied by a million. Not much of a distinction from my perspective.

It's just a way of smiling while you step on someone's neck, and claiming that you are being civil.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
May 14, 2013 - 10:00pm PT
Dems had both the Senate and the House for Bush's last 2 years, and could EASILY have launched hearings on the Iraq casus belli - except, of course,
most of them voted for it.

fixed it for ya.
nutjob

Sport climber
Almost to Hollywood, Baby!
Topic Author's Reply - May 14, 2013 - 10:00pm PT
In the end, when there is more transparency around the circumstances of this incident, it may all turn out to be reasonable and justified. But it deserves public outrage and attention it is getting from the public and our elected representatives, to make sure that the checks and balances against government power are in place.
froodish

Social climber
Portland, Oregon
May 14, 2013 - 10:17pm PT
John Yoo, torture enabler John Yoo now cares about constitutional rights? That's a laugh.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
May 14, 2013 - 10:27pm PT
Funny how you gauge people. Very judgemental.

You spelled judgmental wrong.

DMT
nutjob

Sport climber
Almost to Hollywood, Baby!
Topic Author's Reply - May 14, 2013 - 10:38pm PT
jghedge - good point about access to lawyers to ensure that laws are followed to limit the extent of what is seized. But I suspect the devil is in the details, and not much a lawyer can do when "national security" and "classified evidence" is invoked as a reason to obtain something that would otherwise not be permitted.

Dingus - you gonna make that judge go mental!
MisterE

Social climber
May 14, 2013 - 10:40pm PT
Great: The Government of Misinformation stealing "information" from the Purveyors of Misinformation.

Real tragedy there.
WBraun

climber
May 14, 2013 - 10:47pm PT
The Government of Misinformation stealing "information" from the Purveyors of Misinformation.

LOL This is definitely the best line in the whole affair .......
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