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Norwegian

Trad climber
the tip of god's middle finger
Apr 24, 2013 - 04:24pm PT
.the west is the besT
get here, and we'll do the wrest
paul roehl

Boulder climber
california
Apr 24, 2013 - 04:26pm PT
Don't understand the hate dumped on California... I love it! My mother was born here, my kids were born here... I don't believe I would, could ever leave this state for good. It's unique natural history makes it a magical place. From Big Sur to the Sierra crest California is nothing less than spectacular.
This state's only problem is that too many want to be here and how can you blame them?

It's hard not to just get sick of all the political biases that so easily distort our perceptions. The great majority of folks in Nevada are good people and the same is true in California. The line that separates the two states is ultimately as arbitrary and permanent as a line drawn in the wet sand at the beach.
Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Apr 24, 2013 - 04:29pm PT
So cool this thread had devolved to become a battle of my state is the best. Wherever you live is cool as long as you like it right ?

Personally, I was priced out of California. Buy a house that I can't afford or drive 2 hours to work? The real challenge for ME was that the areas of California in which I would want to live were either too costly or the places that I could afford to live were either crime ridden or were sterile suburbs hours aways from employment or even worse were located in the CENTRAL VALLY UGGH. Sorry CV folks, it was too easy. Also, I do not hate you but Stockton is the armpit of America lol

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/12/13/5051005_a5051052/on-the-move.html
Seems texas is the big winner in the California resident sweepstakes.
Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Apr 24, 2013 - 04:36pm PT
I have decided that when I win the lottery, I am moving to Incline Village NV. That way I can pretty much be in California but keep Moonbeam out of my bank account! Muuaahhahahah
#future1%er
DaveyTree

Trad climber
Fresno
Apr 24, 2013 - 04:55pm PT
Yah, I hate California. No fricken jungle anywhere.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 24, 2013 - 04:57pm PT
I love it here in Ouray.....close to the Utah desert and the Black Canyon and within srtiking distance of the entire West.
I also love to travel and plan to spend most of the winter at our place in Patagonia.

I'm not moving anywhere.....but, if i was limited to live and travel in only one State it would be California hands down. No other State, actually very few Countries, have the diversity (climate, topography, urban setting, people etc) found in California.

I do love to take the piss out of the place.....especially on ST.
Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Apr 24, 2013 - 05:09pm PT
When you really think about it, California has some of the most gorgeous and inspiring locations on earth. It also has some really nasty areas.

Donini, in your one state existence, you will be forced to live in either Bakersfield or Stockton.

donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 24, 2013 - 05:18pm PT
How about:
Calexico
Brawley
Blythe
Needles
Barstow
Twentynine Palms
Mojave
San Bernadino
Visalia
Madera
Merced
Ridgecrest
Modesto
Stockton
Yuba City
Red Bluff
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 24, 2013 - 05:32pm PT
DMT....Bitd just after i got out of the service a bunch of us got a house together in a rough area near Camden, N.J. We would purposely walk on the wrong side of the tracks just to stir up some fun......not so difficult to do.
Some of those guys were hard asses. One was a Medal of Honor recipient who made money selling dried ears to dudes in VFW's. I wonder if he's still alive?
Sssh....those days are long gone, thank God!
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Apr 24, 2013 - 05:41pm PT
Why travel if you live in paradise?

Even though I like to travel to check out different ranges/scenery. Started hiking/mountaineering in beginning of 2010 and than climbing in the end of 2010. So far been in Sierra (did about 80+ peaks here), Hyalite Montana (2x), Alaska range (on top of Denali unguided 2011), Indian Creek, Bugaboos (Canada), North Cascades, Hood, did Rainier x2 (ingraham glacier direct in mid 2010 and liberty ridge in 2011). All unguided.

And going to Peru this summer for 7 weeks! Can't wait.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Apr 24, 2013 - 06:04pm PT
Now be careful dissing the Central Valley. For the most part, we're still part of the American West. In contrast, the Bay Area and Southland (and, largely, Sacramento) really belong east of the Mississippi in attitude.

Besides, here in Fresno County, we have great and easily accessible rock climbing at Courtright and Tollhouse, more adventurous rock climbing at Kings Canyon and Tehipite Valley and excellent mountaineering on the western halves of the Palisades, Mt. Humphreys, and other great peaks, not to mention all of Mt. Clarence King, Charlotte Dome, Darwin Canyon, the Mono Recesses and more.

You may not like living in the flats, but you can't beat our mountains.

John

mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Apr 24, 2013 - 06:07pm PT
LOOK AT THAT ANGLE!Nobody else has one of these piles of manure.

Rhymes with "lure."

It's a "magnetic cliff," one which attracts climbing history fans, n00bs by the score on certain days, and women are easily impressed watching from the ground.

And there are lots of high-quality easier-grade routes to do. What more do you need?

And folks come from all over to be there, on earth, as they do to be heaven.

couchmaster

climber
pdx
Apr 24, 2013 - 06:11pm PT
Meh

California may be amazing and it is going to the dawgs like ya say, but you all don't have anything like hunting nude women with paintball guns for money like Nevada does.


"Bizarre Game Targets Women: Hunting for Bambi

(July 10) -- It's a new form of adult entertainment, and men are paying thousands of dollars to shoot naked women with paint ball guns. They're coming to Las Vegas to do it. This bizarre new sport has captured the attention of people around the world, but Channel 8 Eyewitness News reporter LuAnne Sorrell is the only person who has interviewed the game's founder.

George Evanthes has never been hunting. "Originally I'm from New York. What am I going to hunt? Squirrels? Someone's cats? Someone's dogs? I don't think so," said Evanthes. Now that he's living in Las Vegas, he's finally getting his chance to put on his camouflage, grab a rifle and pull the trigger. But what's in his scope may surprise you. He's not hunting ducks or deer, he's hunting naked women.

"I've done this three times," says Nicole, one of the three women allowing themselves to be shot at. Two other women, Gidget and Skyler, claim they have done this seven times.

Hunting for Bambi is the brainchild of Michael Burdick. Men pay anywhere from $5000 to $10,000 for the chance to come to the middle of the desert to shoot what they call "Bambis" with a paint ball gun. Burdick says men have come from as far away as Germany. The men get a video tape of their hunt to take home and show their friends.

Burdick says safety is a concern, but the women are not allowed to wear protective gear -- only tennis shoes.

Burdick says hunters are told not to shoot any woman above the chest, but he admits not all hunters follow the rules. "The main goal is to be as true to nature as possible. I don't go deer hunting and see a deer with a football helmet on so I don't want to see one on my girl either," said Burdick."

http://www.huntingforbambi.com/

Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Apr 24, 2013 - 06:14pm PT
At Woodson I heard someone ask a famous climbing photographer how many countries he had traveled to climbing, his answer was basically, why leave California. Ironically the photographer was born in Morocco.
S.Leeper

Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
Apr 24, 2013 - 06:28pm PT
Which state would you say has the best distribution of different types of rock?

Utah?
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Apr 24, 2013 - 06:37pm PT
Yeah, we're all Utah experts now.

I've spent a lifetime tryin' to stay outa that state. :0)

And every other one, too.

Call me an idiot but I'm here and you're not.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Apr 24, 2013 - 06:37pm PT
donini forgot El Centro.

There's a lot of beauty in Nevada, the Ruby Mountains for instance, but it is all of the same type. California has variety that can't be beat.
Michelle

Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
Apr 24, 2013 - 08:43pm PT
If I won the lotto, I'd buy Lone Pine.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Apr 24, 2013 - 09:02pm PT
Southland (and, largely, Sacramento) really belong east of the Mississippi in attitude.

Um, no. Having spent my first 27 years living east of the Big Muddy, the attitude in CA, whether southern, northern, coast or inland is vastly different than the east. It's THE biggest reason (along with the climbing and weather)I settled here after having lived in GA, FL, LA, MD/DC, IL, UT, OR, and AK.

I never quite understood the whole Bay Area vs. SoCal thing. You never hear people down here talking about it, only the northerners. Inferiority complex, or just sour attitude from the shitty weather? Some of both I reckon.

In any case, rest assured northerners that the Oregonians feel the same about ya'll as you do about SoCal.
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Apr 24, 2013 - 09:05pm PT
but you all don't have anything like hunting nude women with paintball guns for money like Nevada does.

But were close enough to scoot over for some of that.
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