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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Apr 24, 2013 - 12:59pm PT
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Mainly because I can't see the beautiful San gabriel Mountains through the air pollution from only a couple miles away when in Pasadena. Hey.... California can be awesome, it just has some big negatives in my opinion. California has some pretty amazing natural ressources. However to make it out as the perfect state devoid of any problems is common among many that have relocated from the Midwest lol Wait, you guys have celebrities in Hollywood. I am so moving back.
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bhilden
Trad climber
Mountain View, CA
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Apr 24, 2013 - 01:09pm PT
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Why is it so many Colorado climbers dislike/hate/slag/u-name-it on California? It's just such an obvious rehash oh their geographical inferiority shizzle, they've been hurling since I began climbing
I live part-time in California and part-time in Colorado. When the weather is good, you can't beat Boulder for rock climbing. OK. If you are addicted to Yosemite cracks it's a bit of a stretch, but for accessibility and variety of climbing, it is all right there in Boulder. And you don't have to slide into a clammy sleeping bag after a day of hard cragging.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Apr 24, 2013 - 01:21pm PT
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I think any reluctance to travel has more to do with geography-- my nearest out of state "destination" area is about a 7 hour drive. The inter-mountain areas are more like 20+ hours. Weekend or three day road trips are not really feasible with those drive times.
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ydpl8s
Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
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Apr 24, 2013 - 01:22pm PT
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When I was a teenager (in Colorado), I was the skinny, sensitive kid that never got the girl. I dreamed of moving to California where guys like me were appreciated (I thought all those Cali girls loved Neil Young and Jackson Browne). Well, it took me 41 yrs from then to move here (4 1/2 yrs ago), but by golly, I found my California girl that appreciates my kind of guy. Whoopee!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 24, 2013 - 01:24pm PT
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^^^^ There's a lot of masochists in the world.
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Apr 24, 2013 - 01:40pm PT
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^^^^ Dude where do you think all those Venice Beach types come from?
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Apr 24, 2013 - 01:47pm PT
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So the next time you blabber about Californians coming to Nevada? STFU m'kay?
Deserves to be repeated.
That story has been all over various NPR/PRI shows. Sadly, not surprising coming from the shitheels next door in Nuh Vad Ur.
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Dapper Dan
Trad climber
Menlo Park
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Apr 24, 2013 - 02:40pm PT
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Moose I could copy your post nearly word for word .
My soon-to-be and I are both teachers , we rent in Menlo Park south of SF . It is impossible and quite discouraging, the idea of buying a home around here.
Every time we go skiing we make our way to Minden / Gardnerville , and I think how easy it would be to get a house there , and be close to the Sierra, hot tubs , climbing , skiing .
The only thing is we would take a huge pay cut in teacher salaries .
I love the Bay and CA , but Nevada is calling me.
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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Apr 24, 2013 - 02:40pm PT
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After having lived in the sweaty undersac of the US (El Paso), I nearly kissed the ground in Blythe, I was so damn happy to be home. And you CAN find cheap homes here, just not in the Bay.
I'm such a nut, I gots me a California tattoo as well. No pot leaf though.
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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Apr 24, 2013 - 02:52pm PT
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Oh, and there ARE monkeys in Chinese Camp.
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10b4me
Ice climber
Happy Boulders
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Apr 24, 2013 - 03:13pm PT
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why I dislike California:
overcrowded
too much traffic
pollution
crime
too many fakes, cheaters, and liars
I've lived here all my life, and seen the state go from #1 to the bottom of the barrel
ps. I could go on
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John M
climber
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Apr 24, 2013 - 03:34pm PT
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I use to have a general feeling of hating Texas, but most of my family still lives in Texas and there are things I like about the state. Then I decided I didn't want to hate anymore. Sometimes I still get upset, but I don't hate anymore. And now that I have given up hating I see more good things. I still see the negatives, but they don't affect me as deeply. It feels good to give up hating. Some of you should try it. Nevada has issues, so does California and Colorado. But they also have all sorts of cool things about them.
Have you ever run into a crusty old desert rat? Someone who stubbornly lives in a place that barely sustains life. There is something to be admired in that. Though I do fully understand that it can foster a recalcitrant state that refuses to learn anything new.
I don't know what the numbers are now, but at one time California mostly grew because of an influx of people from other places. Think about that. What is a Californian? Its someone who either didn't like where they lived, or they saw something better somewhere else. Did this foster a feeling of superiority among some? I'm sure it did. But a Califrnian is just someone from another place. So maybe look in the mirror.
As for those gangs Ron complains about. They weren't created by California. When you know of a way to get rid of them, then let us know. Other then just going out and shooting them on sight. They are a sore spot for anyone who has to deal with them. But they are not uniquely Californian, so blaming California is pretty lame.
Wouldn't it be wonderful to be judged by who you were rather then where you lived or who lived near you?
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Apr 24, 2013 - 03:41pm PT
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Especially maddening are those dirt piles we call islands, just off the coast - Catalina, the Channels etc
Now compare those to Sard, Corsica, Mallorca, Kalymnos I grew up in Orange County and, as a teenager, used to dream that the cliffs lining Laguna were solid so I could have Gogarth-like adventures in my backyard. I still dream of climbing there, but there's no much awesome granite here. Sometimes I look back on periods of my life and wonder why I didn't go climbing in Peru, Alaska, etc., and then I remember that I wanted to go climbing in the Sierra or bag El Cap again.
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John M
climber
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Apr 24, 2013 - 03:48pm PT
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Thats great Ron.. lucky you for having all that aloneness. I love aloneness. I just get tired of the tongue in cheek bashing. If you have ever traveled someplace and were immediately hated for what was on the license plate of your vehicle, then you might understand. If people gave me a chance, then I could usually overcome the hatred, but it gets tiresome.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Apr 24, 2013 - 03:53pm PT
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Mebbe I shud move to CA????
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labrat
Trad climber
Auburn, CA
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Apr 24, 2013 - 03:55pm PT
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"Mebbe I shud move to CA????"
Stay away! I was here first!
;-)
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Apr 24, 2013 - 04:00pm PT
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wilderness permits were "sold out" six months in advance this coming season..
That is totally incorrect, but do continue.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 24, 2013 - 04:15pm PT
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Go almost anywhere in the world and tell someone you are from California
and they will either start drooling with envy and/or understand. Tell
them you are from Colorado and they'll say, "Where is that?"
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10b4me
Ice climber
Happy Boulders
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Apr 24, 2013 - 04:19pm PT
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them you are from Colorado and they'll say, "Where is that?"
Reilly, that's exactly the kind of place I want to live
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John M
climber
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Apr 24, 2013 - 04:24pm PT
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whats incorrect Gary,
Yes.. advance reservations for most trails out of the meadows book up fast. Often by people from out of state. First come first served permits are still available. I always get mine that way. It doesn't work very well with a large group, but a couple of people shouldn't have any trouble getting one. You just have to get in line early the day before. Then you can overnight in the backpackers camp before your trip.
http://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/wildpermits.htm
4. If you're unable to get a reservation, consider a first-come, first-served permit.
Wilderness permits are available during business hours at any permit issuing station starting no earlier than 11 am the day before the beginning of your wilderness trip. Priority for permits for a particular trailhead is given to the closest permit issuing station, though it is possible to obtain a permit for any trailhead at any permit issuing station. This mainly affects the most popular trailheads that fill up quickly each morning, such as Little Yosemite Valley trailheads, Lyell Canyon, Cathedral Lakes, among others.
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