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The Granite State.
Apr 26, 2013 - 04:05pm PT
Moose, you're seeming extremely lucid.

If you don't mind my asking, when did you emigrate to the states? At what age?
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Apr 26, 2013 - 04:16pm PT
If you don't mind my asking, when did you emigrate to the states? At what age?


Trad climber
Apr 26, 2013 - 04:21pm PT
Apparently the feds have detained a couple of the bombers friends in Boston. Why do I find a bit of humor in their customized licence plate?

"Kadyrbayev's father, Murat Kadyrbayev, told Kazak news website Tengri News that Kadyrbayev and Tazhayakov were in Tsarnaev's social circle but nothing more. The father also said a "TERRORISTA #1" vanity plate on a BMW jointly owned by the two young men was just a joke."

Dave Kos

Social climber
Apr 26, 2013 - 04:40pm PT
For some reason people that are born/raised in US have to pay out of own pocket to attend centers like this one. Those who weren't get to attend for free. Does not make sense to me since those who were not raised here, did not pay taxes here. Would make more sense to have people who did pay taxes here all their life attending for least to me it makes sense.

Can you tell us what specific government program provides funds to immigrants, but not to US citizens?

Social climber
Apr 26, 2013 - 05:14pm PT
Vitaliy: Prefect great idea

True Australia was created this way but this island is small and with so many of them they pretty much have a two square feet standing zone between them. Just enough to take a Dum% or #2. But no paper.

First you get the producer to bury all kinds of drugs on one side of the island: hide and bury beer and hard liquor: whiskey, tequila in another area; next would be the guns most likely on the other side, some easy to find but some harder to find and some with the pins taken out, some ammo 1 mm larger than the arms to match that they find so they would jam.

Have the weather predict when it is going to be a hot spell for a least ten day period, they might be lucky and get breezes coming off one side of the island. No trees just brushes, maybe a few rocks to get under to find shelter from the heat of the sun.

Put out buoys around the island with the sign saying; WARNING Area within these buoys have pens/cages that contains hundreds of sharks that automatically open when any movement within 50 yards. You have Hollywood make up 50 to 60 fake ones to make roam around the island making it look real.

The producer hands out each Banger a card [one side in English the other side in Spanish] with map of the island, trails, beach areas. Diagram and instructions showing how to get water from the sea to use with the rations that are dehydrated and for drinking. The ones in the photo do not need water for the food, if you want to make the electrolyte drinks or coffee then you will need a source of water. The chewing gum that these packs come in is pretty bad but helps in keeping moisture into the mouth.

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To make it more exciting the producer tells them some of the rations might be booby trapped with explosives underneath if you try to touch them.

But Hollywood executives might argue they like the idea but since advertising is what we rely on for profits there would probably two, maybe three shows. Now if you get them to change their minds and make it a 24, 36 hours with ads going for five minutes then back to the island for 2 minutes or three showing what’s going on I think they will do it. Tons of money it.

Plus all the betting in Vegas: How many left, the timing when it is all over, who finds what first, who gets shot at the closest time the bets says.

State wins, Military not involved, cities save on less crime; police are happy and just go back to arresting young kids going for joy rides. The prisons guards: State since they are union and private sector will protest will be the big challenge. But there will be a 2014 show that will have more and exciting things added.

Good idea I like that. Just need a name for this reality show.


Trad climber
Apr 26, 2013 - 06:03pm PT
How,, does a TRUE muslim assimilate into american culture be it work place or public? Their beliefs are NOTHING like advanced societys. Womans rights? The only right a woman has is to be beaten for anything and everything. Gay rights??

What horse sh#t.

I have known several people over the years who are Muslim and are completely assimilated with beliefs which are "as american as apple pie.". One whose father worked at NASA in a high level position. You seem to be referring to a sect of radicalized people, referring to stereotypes, and dumping every Muslim into that group! Absurd, and frankly, disgusting.

I wonder if you realize that in some conservative Jewish sects, here in the USA, a woman needs her husband's acceptance in order to become divorced? He can "be compelled" to accept, is she can present a case to the rabbi, but if he is just a standard everyday jerk, and doesn't care to be divorced? He can refuse, and the woman will not be able to be remarried in a traditional marriage.

And you have the audactity to use gay rights as support to your gibberish, when gay rights was (incredibly) an actual point of contention in THIS country during the recent presidential election. Where, in this country, you have supposed Christians carrying signs of protest that say "God hates Fags."

Trad climber
Apr 26, 2013 - 06:12pm PT
If I may ask - how does this easily available web page answering the question "How to Define a True Muslim" defer from your verison?

A true Muslim is God-fearing. He fears none but Almighty Allah. The fear of God guides him and helps him stay away from evils and empowers him to resist satanic temptations. He holds the commandments of his Lord most dear to him and obediently fulfills them with great pleasure. He performs five times prayers regularly and punctually with immense pleasure and proper concentration.

A true Muslim loves Hazrat Muhammad (Peace be upon him), the last prophet of Islam, more than his own dear life, for he believes that his faith remains incomplete unless he loves his prophet above all else. Having unshakable belief in the Holy Quran revealed on the prophet of Islam, he also has firm belief in the saying of Holy Prophet Hazrat Muhammad (Peace be upon him). He never doubts in the veracity of Hadiths (the sayings of the prophet). The pleasure of Allah and his Apostle Hazrat Muhammad (Peace be upon him) is his ultimate goal.

With fulfillment of the rights of God, a true Muslim takes every care not to neglect the rights of people. The rights of people are equally important for him. He tries his best not to hurt anyone and do full justice with everyone who comes into his contact. He is polite, courteous, kind, generous, forgiving and honest in his attitude towards the people he meets in his day-to-day life. Once he promises, he never breaks it or back out of it. He takes utmost care to fulfill all his commitments with people. A true Muslim is indeed a man of words.

Islam connotes Peace. It is indeed a religion of peace. Its true followers are all peace-loving people. A true Muslims hates violence and extremism. Ironically and regrettably, Muslims are being maligned and labeled as terrorists these days because of some gross misconceptions among western media, which needs to understand the true picture or reality before it goes ahead to say something about Islam and its followers. Just because of a few misguided Muslims, one cannot blame the all the Muslims in the world. A good car cannot be blamed because of its careless or inexperienced driver.

A heart of a good and true Muslim is free from hatred, bias, prejudice, rancor, grudge and ill-will. He loves all irrespective of his caste, color, creed or religion. He is not narrow-minded. He wants love and peace to rule supreme in the entire world. He believes in equality, brotherhood, unity and love for all.

To conclude, a good Muslim always seeks salvation from His God. The worldly failures or success is immaterial for him. He aims at ultimate success--- to win the pleasure of Allah and his apostle to be successful Herein and the Hereafter.

As well, when you feel a need to abuse a person by making fun of their name, as you have done to me, it does not speak well of your character.

Social climber
Apr 26, 2013 - 06:18pm PT
And all of this because two FBI agents did not do the proper procedures and here we are back to trying to get it right the next time and hopefully keeping what little rights when it comes down to just expressing a feeling or thought and put on a Government list just like it was back in the late 60's, 70's.


'As well, when you feel a need to abuse a person by making fun of their name, as you have done to me, it does not speak well of your character.'

Well said

Trad climber
Apr 26, 2013 - 06:29pm PT
Ron....please point out the abuses I have inflicted on you.

As for your dismissal of my point with "Read the Quaran, and then get back to me," that is all you have done -sidestepped answering a question. I am sure you are aware there are many passages in the Christian bible which would have some wackos believing all sorts of strange things and behaving in ways which would end them in jail, in this society. Yet for some reason, that is easy enough to ignore for your purposes.

Listen - I think that if those guys who did the bombing are guilty, then they deserve to be punished to the full extent of the law. But I also think it is doing a real injustice to many people of this country and this world to flock to the stereotypes you seem to be relying on.


Sometimes LA
Apr 26, 2013 - 06:35pm PT

You are the dumbest man alive.

Trad climber
Apr 26, 2013 - 06:40pm PT
So tell me where these supposed evil christians are killing innocents just in the name of the Lord?

Would you consider the bombing of abortion centers to be killing others in the name of the Lord an example?

Our army isnt comprised of christians, but all nationalities religions and creeds.. Our govt isnt made of just Christians either.

What country has an army which is comprised solely of radicalized Muslims? What country has a government made of solely of one sect of Muslims?


Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Apr 26, 2013 - 06:56pm PT
Our army isnt comprised of christians...

Do a google search on 'fundamentalism "service academies"' - Fundamentalist evangelical christians have swept through the military since 2001 and are now openly and actively proselytizing in the academies and in the field. It has become significant enough of a problem for people to have begun resigning their commission over what they see as a growing unconstitutional religious influence within our military.

Social climber
Apr 26, 2013 - 07:01pm PT

That’s America’s biggest problem being naïve, uneducated, do not read or listen/learn but more interested who is wearing what, who is dated who, who is getting a divorce and what is the next movie going or TV show.

Then you have the people that travel and learn different cultures that get the education and meet real people that are no difference but for some that love hate because they do not understand and never will.

Social climber
Apr 26, 2013 - 07:22pm PT

I can see now why you say you were once LEO or maybe a Fed. Bureau never went after abortion bombing in the 70’s and 80’s, looked the other way it was the Christian thing to do. Never knew what terrorism was till they finally defined it after 2000, but seems they still do not get it since the two FBI guys that went over to see if these terrorists were anything to worry about and even the Russians said there is concern these two FBI agents now have burden to live with it the rest of their lives of the killing and injuries they let happen because they were stupid.

Sound familiar?

It will come up in the trail. But you will have to wait a couple of years.

Social climber
Apr 26, 2013 - 07:39pm PT
I don't see what the FBI should have done. They can't just follow hundreds of thousands of people around- I'm guessing the various potential terrorist lists are huge.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Apr 26, 2013 - 08:40pm PT
Ron is by far the craftiest of the lot on this thread. He has put himself in front of Dr. F and the minions for years now at why are republicans wrong about everything.. Without him that thread of yours would have no legs and would have squirmed to a halt long ago. So guys, next time you indulge in your inevitable hateful monotone rants look at who you have to thank-Ron. You guys really need to see psychiatrists but until your ACA psych benefits kick in you have Dr. Ron to keep you from going publically postal.Good day ladies and gentlemen.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Apr 26, 2013 - 08:58pm PT
You really should be thanking Ron, Joe, nobody else would indulge you for so long. And yes, every once in awhile the absurdity of it all is quite humorous, a la Colbert.

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 26, 2013 - 09:08pm PT
replay for the "progressive" Mr. Unhinged.

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Apr 26, 2013 - 09:16pm PT
2000+ posts basically speculating with nearly no hard information...

...carry on

Social climber
Apr 26, 2013 - 09:43pm PT

Ever hear of the Council for National Policy (CNP)

First take a look of the usual suspects and how they play in our government. A couple of them are dead.

Their first meeting in ‘81, I was living in Canada at the time and something was slipped under my door, “Strange why me?” Better question by who? Never opened the door since I was preoccupied and did not notice. When seeing the letter at first notice I did but no one there. Lived on top floor only four condos and knew the other three for sure not them so will never know.

“Members are instructed not to refer to the organization by name, to protect against leaks.”

Hell! It was their first meeting people make mistakes but see they changed things I think it had to do to a young Muslim and me.

Need to leave right now Friday you know but will get back to you about what’s to come in the future with these wonderful people and by the way hit the name Erik Prince where it says mother of Erik Prince. Ah! Notice Oly baby can’t miss it. Think I posted Prince’s name a couple days ago.

After dinner sat alone at the hotel bar General Singlaub sees me sits down with his aid the discussion was quite interesting. I will try not to make it too long.
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