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couchmaster

climber
pdx
Apr 22, 2013 - 06:57pm PT
If it was just a post on Activist post, no issue.

Some BBC questions: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22237201 .


How can you ignore the mothers words?

".......her biggest suspicion surrounding the case was the constant FBI surveillance she said her family was subjected to over the years. "

Are you calling this a lie as well? Because as the Activist posts notes, the FBI originally denied ever having anything to do with either one, then later recanted and admired at least a single contact. Now we hear that there was several.

http://rt.com/usa/tsarnaev-brothers-parents-innocent-124/

Case in Portland recently, the FBI moved the case all the way along from the start where a douchbag made a disparaging remark, then up too and including the FBI making a fake bomb for the "insurgent" who claimed he was set up in court, but who had pressed the fake detonator the FBI had given him to the fake bomb they had made and was (rightly) convicted for it.
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Apr 22, 2013 - 06:59pm PT
The Sleestaks are photoshopping
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Apr 22, 2013 - 07:02pm PT
Werner is quite correct about "spooks" being involved in ALL manner of things going on that we dont know. The NDAA 2013 bill has i dont know how many sections dealing with "clandestine ops".

Well, that's why we call them "spooks". And, last time I checked the whole bloody point of 'spookery' is for no one to know. That said, and having been peripherally involved such that I saw all the same intelligence as the head of the pacific fleet, I can assure you all you conspiracy whackjobs have it all entirely wrong in almost every respect.

And worse, all your anti-government rhetoric and noise just feeds and incites more incidents like Boston and attacks on members of our first responders and justice system.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 22, 2013 - 07:03pm PT
the time lines smell a little dont they Couch? They release photos of who they are looking for when having them on file somewhere. Then ooops yeah we DO know him.. And the meetings with radical islamists in Chechnya.. Yet nary a flag was raised.? They probably just didnt want a profiling lawsuit or some such..
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 22, 2013 - 07:06pm PT
This just in.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/news-nouvelles/2013/04-22-ns-sn-eng.htm
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Apr 22, 2013 - 07:20pm PT
Hedge asked :
"Credible link for the FBI denying ever having anything to do with them? "
Credible can be discussed for some time. Is CNN credible hedge? Cause a former employee/reporter just came out with the shocking news that they can be bought off to both kill stories and insert made up ones. http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/04/01/296014/cnn-lies-about-iran-syria-exreporter/ She said in part:
"Syria’s SANA news agency quoted Amber Lyon as saying that when she was working for the CNN, she received orders to send false news or exclude certain information which the US administration did not approve of with the aim of inciting public opinion in favor of launching an offensive on Iran and Syria."




So google "Ex-CNN reporter Amber Lyon" or even better, Google "Operation Mockingbird" and then tell me what is a "credible" news source Hedge. If you are reading the Wikipedia version, remember that currently you are paying the pentagon to hire over 29,000 people to exclusively monitor things like that and do PR releases. The gov't employees will go in and delete things that they find embarrassing. All day long. But as you can't go look it up I did it for you. I didn't find the same news story but how about CBS Joe? Credible enough? Found that one anyway, you can do more research if you choose. BUT HERE'S CBS NEWS - LINK: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57580534/fbi-interviewed-dead-boston-bombing-suspect-years-ago/

CBS QUOTED:
"Although the FBI initially denied contacting Tsarnaev, the brothers' mother said they had in an interview with Russia Today."






BTW, I hardly consider myself a kook or a conspiracy theorist. But there are certain truths that even a blind man can see if they have but to look. So go look. Google "Amber Lyon" or "Operation Mockingbird". Get back to me on what is the truth...we may never know the full version. Or we might and perhaps it's just as layed out. But we will never be sure.


happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Apr 22, 2013 - 07:23pm PT
TGT - sources as to where you are pulling that information(about school, and no fly list)?


jeezes...these daysit is getting absurd, the level of outright bullSH#T being "reported" on internet "news" sources. And I don't mean one political party in particular.

My GOD, fellow citizens, stop believing everything we hear, stop repeating unverified garbage from sources with no credibility, and think for our selves. Doesn't everyone see that MUCH of the media crap that is being spewed is coming from "National Enquirer" level sources?????


As for someone who said it "didn't matter" that the suspect will be tried in civilian court(because he would spend the rest of his life behind bars) - While that is very likely to be true(behind bars), it certainly DOES matter that he be tried according to the laws of our land!
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Apr 22, 2013 - 07:29pm PT

BTW, I hardly consider myself a kook or a conspiracy theorist.


Perhaps you should reconsider.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 22, 2013 - 07:30pm PT
MOST media sites are now getting reviews and deletions,, like google, fact check, snopes and all the other commonly used sites. I watched the top page of google on these bombings change like a spinning nickle slot machine window for a day or three. Theres ALSO countless cyber sections in the NDAA 2013. Thats how they know there are well over a million young americans that have gone to jihadists sites. Thats good news eh?
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Apr 22, 2013 - 07:48pm PT
So ron, what is the accepted theory on these guys?
Russian spies?, Al qaeda operatives? Mexican mafia? Obama drones?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 22, 2013 - 07:53pm PT
My theory doc, is that they were indeed two losers as described by their Uncle, but DID have ties to radical islamists in Chechnya and acted just like every other jihadists out there.. I believe the throat wound to the younger perp to be self inflicted and i believe he also purposefully ran his brother over as well. I Think these were two Chechnya born guys that went radical islamist over reasons unknown and blew up a bunch of folks at the Marathon because they considered them all infidels..


Beyond that i have suspicions of things hard, if not impossible to prove.

But the FBI fibbed and got caught - to that there is little doubt.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Apr 22, 2013 - 07:57pm PT
Why did the FBI say:

"These photos should be the only ones the public should view to assist us. Other photos should not be deemed credible. They unnecessarily divert the public's attention in the wrong direction, and create undue work for vital law enforcement resources."

Because the FBI knew these two were responsible.

The FBI said they have video evidence showing suspect #2 set down a backpack at the 2nd explosion and they had the statement from the guy who lost both legs that he looked one of them in the eyes as he dropped a backpack off.

They now need to identify them.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Apr 22, 2013 - 07:57pm PT
Breaking news!



DMT
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 22, 2013 - 07:57pm PT
what is the accepted theory on these guys?

accepted?


Just MY "opinion", but I see it very simply:

two brothers who felt like they did not "belong" in America, unemployed and not going anywhere who were looking for a purpose, a cause, and happened to buy into the anti-American "hate" speech so rampant in extreme Islam and acted on this hatred

no other conspiracy needed

seems to happen all the time, and it is damn near impossible to "stop" this conversion of bored directionless young Muslim men once they get of taste of extremism

America, very unfortunately, provided one hell of a lot of reasons to hate America,
particularly in the Middle East where our unbridled support of Israel whips up the hate
Dover

Trad climber
New England
Apr 22, 2013 - 08:00pm PT
the throat wound to the younger perp to be self inflicted and i believe he also purposefully ran his brother over as well. I Think these were two Chechnya born guys that went radical islamist over reasons unknown and blew up a bunch of folks at the Marathon.

Objectively, that is all hearsay at this point. I am not saying he is innocent, but I have yet to see any evidence that they placed the bombs (all that video should have picked that up, if true), that he ran over his brother, or that they even killed the cop on the MIT campus. Ditto for the self-inflicted wound to the neck (they video-taped from the helicopter--surely easy to provide along with the video they already provided). It's all been the Fed's word so far. You guys who want auto guns and clips to defend against the aggressions of the state seem to accept all that they say without question? Just saying.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Apr 22, 2013 - 08:01pm PT
... and the older one handled all the website propaganda while the younger one hung back and didn't go to Russia just to keep everyone guessing.

The younger one, I would guess was manipulated, but he was nineteen afterall. He deserves the death penalty.
Dover

Trad climber
New England
Apr 22, 2013 - 08:03pm PT
Why did the FBI say:

"These photos should be the only ones the public should view to assist us. Other photos should not be deemed credible. They unnecessarily divert the public's attention in the wrong direction, and create undue work for vital law enforcement resources."

This seems really strange, at best. At worst, I don't even want to think about
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Apr 22, 2013 - 08:06pm PT

Credit: lostinshanghai



"“Ok! Now I am going to hand the paper or poster to you and you write NOT GUILTY" got that.”

“Another than that we have a good case of getting you off, we will think of something like you were hearing voices from Pat Robertson, or Rush LImbaugh “. “No, No too far right’ how about we portray you as Patty Hearst; Yes, Yes that will work. We will use our defense as the Stockholm syndrome as in traumatic bonding.

"Nice suit and tie that we picked out for you" plus the hair cut; the jury will think you are a clean cut kid"
crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Apr 22, 2013 - 08:12pm PT
But the FBI fibbed and got caught - to that there is little doubt.

Ron was sounding reasonable, then started hearing voices again.

Why the need to always drum up a conspiracy?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 22, 2013 - 08:21pm PT
oh sh#t, I was eating dinner and recovering from my spine surgery

what is IT now?

somebody claim the FBI is LYING about something?

Hedge, can you brief me?
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