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lostinshanghai

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someplace
Apr 22, 2013 - 04:34pm PT
They do not need thousands of soldiers like we have all they need is a few hundred and can drain our economy with the actions that happened last week. Two maybe three guys once a week/month that all it takes.

Imagine how much this thing cost in those that were injured and need legs, mental health issues PTSD just name a few, the funds of the whole city in loss of revenue since it was shut down, trains stopped, the cost of the manhunt and hours, hell the gas alone is probably half a million. Guess they will come out with a number: billions? So now copy cats, right wing, terrorists’ cells, radicals or two or any as#@&%e against the US government will jump on the opportunity to let it happen again and again even if it means death to them at the end of a rifle or air launch.

Economic Terrorism

But help is on its way hopefully by this next year they will provide the chip that citizens can install if they wish in the smart phones to detect explosives which they have tested and ready for use in secured areas and most likely now will be planted in areas just like the cameras that cities use; as for pressure cookers that might be another issue but companies working under contract with the DoD and some that will get R & D grants from the ideas and manufacturing of said instrumentation.

So now is a good time to invest in companies that provide the service. It is a cat and mouse game something we have to live with since we have the freedoms to do anything we want including giving the enemy our secrets or till they eventually figure them out then it starts all over with new game plans.
Ron Anderson

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Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 22, 2013 - 04:34pm PT
The big juggle?


Lets get the fever going, wipe out so and so, snag those resources so we can monopolize,, then feed so and so while robbing so and so to make it seem like so and so is responsible? In MANY ways it is indeed a world wide MIND F*CK,, on that i agree.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Apr 22, 2013 - 04:49pm PT
Sanity from the White House.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/22/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-enemy-combatant_n_3132815.html
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Apr 22, 2013 - 05:06pm PT
Credit: Dr. F.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Apr 22, 2013 - 05:33pm PT
Suspicious minds, other than Werner, are also raising questions. To interrupt the arguing here, full quotes from 2 different sites.

Copy-pasted from Activist Post (which often just lets people free range, so consider that):

http://www.activistpost.com/2013/04/fbi-caught-in-web-of-lies-in-boston.html

" FBI Caught in a Web of Lies in Boston
Please help us ID them. Oops, we already knew exactly who they were.

Why did the FBI make a spectacle out of releasing the photos of the alleged Boston bombing suspects to the public feigning ignorance on who they were, asking for the public's help to identify them, when they knew all along who they were?

Remember the FBI saying the following:

"These photos should be the only ones the public should view to assist us. Other photos should not be deemed credible. They unnecessarily divert the public's attention in the wrong direction, and create undue work for vital law enforcement resources."



This entire press conference is now exposed as a lie since we now know the FBI was "monitoring them at every step", according to their own admission.

The FBI originally denied first meeting with the bombing suspect two years ago (lie #2), according to CBS. That was until they were forced to admit their involvement with the suspects.

CBS reported "The FBI admitted Friday they interviewed the now-deceased Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev two years ago and failed to find any incriminating information about him."


The suspects' family also state that they were well aware of an ongoing relationship between the FBI and the boys. Family members said they were "monitored" and "counseled" at every step, and the FBI was "controlling" and "following" them for years.

Their mother, Zubeidat Tsarnaeva, in an interview with RT, said that the FBI had made contact with the family on multiple occasions:

"They used to come [to our] home, they used to talk to me ... they were telling me that he was really an extremist leader and that they were afraid of him," Tsarnaeva said.

"They told me whatever information he is getting, he gets from these extremist sites... they were controlling him, they were controlling his every step...and now they say that this is a terrorist act!"



So the FBI, after first denying monitoring them, says yes, we did meet with him (Tamerlan) but "failed to find any incriminating information about him" while telling their mother that "he was really an extremist leader and that they were afraid of him." (lie #3)

There are only two possible conclusions to explain the FBI's blatant lies; either they're covering up their complete incompetence to stop attacks that they were monitoring, or they're covering up the fact that they were spurring and handling the bombing plot in the first place, as they've done in countless other fake terror plot cases.


History would indicate that the lies are a little of both: direct involvement and incompetence. It's apparent they had a direct hand working with the suspects, but complete incompetence in pulling off the plot without their fingerprints all over it.

This deception in the Boston bombing case was premeditated and not just some fog-of-war, we-don't-have-all-the-facts-yet confusion. That much is now clear.

And since these significant lies have been revealed, how are we to believe in wild car chases, car jackings, police shootouts, and the rest of the crazy narrative spewing out of the FBI's PR department?

It's beyond convenient for covering up their deception that the Tsarnaev brothers have been rendered incapacitated with one mutilated and killed, and the other in critical condition waiting for justice without Miranda Rights. It will surprise no one if Dzhokhar (suspect 2) winds up dead, because dead men tell no tales.

Fact: the FBI has been involved in staging numerous fake terror plots using patsies to make themselves look like heroes when they stop the attack. Now they've been caught in a web of lies surrounding one that went live and resulted in the deaths of Americans.

Question: In what world are they not the prime suspects here?

Their days of terrorizing the American public into giving up civil liberties with false flags are numbered as the truth becomes more difficult to hide."

Interesting also that the Debka File (started by 2 Economist reporters with ties to right wing Israel intelligence), which often posts interesting intelligence based stories (which are running @ 80 % correct it appears) said:

http://www.debka.com/article/22914/The-Tsarnaev-brothers-were-double-agents-who-decoyed-US-into-terror-trap

"The Tsarnaev brothers were double agents who decoyed US into terror trap
DEBKAfile Exclusive Analysis April 20, 2013, 4:39 PM (GMT+02:00)


The big questions buzzing over Boston Bombers Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev have a single answer: It emerged in the 102 tense hours between the twin Boston Marathon bombings Monday, April 15 – which left three dead, 180 injured and a police officer killed at MIT - and Dzohkhar’s capture Friday, April 19 in Watertown.

The conclusion reached by debkafile’s counterterrorism and intelligence sources is that the brothers were double agents, hired by US and Saudi intelligence to penetrate the Wahhabi jihadist networks which, helped by Saudi financial institutions, had spread across the restive Russian Caucasian.

Instead, the two former Chechens betrayed their mission and went secretly over to the radical Islamist networks.

By this tortuous path, the brothers earned the dubious distinction of being the first terrorist operatives to import al Qaeda terror to the United States through a winding route outside the Middle East – the Caucasus.

This broad region encompasses the autonomous or semi-autonomous Muslim republics of Dagestan, Ingushetia, Kabardino-Balkaria, Chechnya, North Ossetia and Karachyevo-Cherkesiya, most of which the West has never heard of.

Moscow however keeps these republics on a tight military and intelligence leash, constantly putting down violent resistance by the Wahhabist cells, which draw support from certain Saudi sources and funds from the Riyadh government for building Wahhabist mosques and schools to disseminate the state religion of Saudi Arabia.
The Saudis feared that their convoluted involvement in the Caucasus would come embarrassingly to light when a Saudi student was questioned about his involvement in the bombng attacks while in a Boston hospital with badly burned hands.

They were concerned to enough to send Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saudi al-Faisal to Washington Wednesday, April 17, in the middle of the Boston Marathon bombing crisis, for a private conversation with President Barack Obama and his national security adviser Tom Donilon on how to handle the Saudi angle of the bombing attack.
That day too, official Saudi domestic media launched an extraordinary three-day campaign. National and religious figures stood up and maintained that authentic Saudi Wahhabism does not espouse any form of terrorism or suicide jihadism and the national Saudi religion had nothing to do with the violence in Boston. “No matter what the nationality and religious of the perpetrators, they are terrorists and deviants who represent no one but themselves.”

Prince Saud was on a mission to clear the 30,000 Saudi students in America of suspicion of engaging in terrorism for their country or religion, a taint which still lingers twelve years after 9/11. He was concerned that exposure of the Tsarnaev brothers’ connections with Wahhabist groups in the Caucasus would revive the stigma.

The Tsarnaevs' recruitment by US intelligence as penetration agents against terrorist networks in southern Russia explains some otherwise baffling features of the event:
1. An elite American college in Cambridge admitted younger brother Dzhokhar and granted him a $2,500 scholarship, without subjecting him to the exceptionally stiff standard conditions of admission. This may be explained by his older brother Tamerlan demanding this privilege for his kid brother in part payment for recruitment.
2. When in 2011, a “foreign government” (Russian intelligence) asked the FBI to screen Tamerlan for suspected ties to Caucasian Wahhabist cells during a period in which they had begun pledging allegiance to al Qaeda, the agency, it was officially revealed, found nothing incriminating against him and let him go after a short interview.

He was not placed under surveillance. Neither was there any attempt to hide the fact that he paid a long visit to Russia last year and on his return began promoting radical Islam on social media.
Yet even after the Boston marathon bombings, when law enforcement agencies, heavily reinforced by federal and state personnel, desperately hunted the perpetrators, Tamerlan Tsarnaev was never mentioned as a possible suspect

3. Friday, four days after the twin explosions at the marathon finishing line, the FBI released footage of Suspect No. 1 in a black hat and Suspect No. 2 in a white hat walking briskly away from the crime scene, and appealed to the public to help the authorities identify the pair.
We now know this was a charade. The authorities knew exactly who they were. Suddenly, during the police pursuit of their getaway car from the MIT campus on Friday, they were fully identified. The brother who was killed in the chase was named Tamerlan, aged 26, and the one who escaped, only to be hunted down Saturday night hiding in a boat, was 19-year old Dzhokhar.

Our intelligence sources say that we may never know more than we do today about the Boston terrorist outrage which shook America – and most strikingly, Washington - this week. We may not have the full story of when and how the Chechen brothers were recruited by US intelligence as penetration agents – any more than we have got to the bottom of tales of other American double agents who turned coat and bit their recruiters.

Here is just a short list of some of the Chechen brothers’ two-faced predecessors:

In the 1980s, an Egyptian called Ali Abdul Saoud Mohamed offered his services as a spy to the CIA residence in Cairo. He was hired, even though he was at the time the official interpreter of Ayman al-Zuwahiri, then Osama bin Laden’s senior lieutenant and currently his successor.

He accounted for this by posing as a defector. But then, he turned out to be feeding al Qaeda US military secrets. Later, he was charged with Al Qaeda’s 1998 bombings of US embassies in Nairobi and Dar es-Salaam.
On Dec. 30, 2009, the Jordanian physician Humam Khalil al-Balawi, having gained the trust of US intelligence in Afghanistan as an agent capable of penetrating al Qaeda’s top ranks, detonated a bomb at a prearranged rendezvous in Kost, killing the four top CIA agents in the country.
Then, there was the French Muslim Mohamed Merah. He was recruited by French intelligence to penetrate Islamist terror cells in at least eight countries, including the Caucasus. At the end of last year, he revealed his true spots in deadly attacks on a Jewish school in Toulouse and a group of French military commandoes.

The debate has begun over the interrogation of the captured Boston bomber Dzhokhar Tsarmayev when he is fit for questioning after surgery for two bullet wounds and loss of blood. The first was inflicted during the police chase in which his brother Tamerlan was killed.

An ordinary suspect would be read his rights (Miranda) and be permitted a lawyer. In his case, the “public safety exemption” option may be invoked, permitting him to be questioned without those rights, provided the interrogation is restricted to immediate public safety concerns. President Barack Obama is also entitled to rule him an “enemy combatant” and so refer him to a military tribunal and unrestricted grilling.

According to debkafile’s counter terror sources, four questions should top the interrogators' agenda:

a) At what date did the Tsarnaev brothers turn coat and decide to work for Caucasian Wahhabi networks?

b) Did they round up recruits for those networks in the United States - particularly, among the Caucasian and Saudi communities?
c) What was the exact purpose of the Boston Marathon bombings and their aftermath at MIT in Watertown?
d) Are any more terrorist attacks in the works in other American cities?"



Hmmm, time to play Elvis singing "Suspicious Minds" for background music. And now, back to arguing over who is a bigger as#@&%e, your leftist left wing as#@&%e, or your KKK hat wearing right wing as#@&%e. It appears that the correct answer has not been given on this thread yet, and the 4 letter hint to you douchbags still arguing over it is this: both. I know it will still take you a long while to come up with the correct 4 letter answer, but that should get you started.

You're welcome.



mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 22, 2013 - 05:41pm PT
Yeah, clearly a conspiracy. Two normal "brown" guys minding their own business... framed... who wouldn't drive over their brother and shoot themselves in the neck if the cops were after them?
WBraun

climber
Apr 22, 2013 - 05:50pm PT
LOL

The Principal of Sandy Hook shot dead by Adam Lanza.

Reappears to give interview after the shootings then reappears at the Boston Marathon bombings.

First she's Dawn Hochsprung and now Donna photos supposedly from Fox News? LOL



Photo shopping ?????
Captain...or Skully

climber
Apr 22, 2013 - 05:51pm PT
It says SOMETHING when NONE of these guys ever gets to talk. American citizens have Rights, right? Or DO THEY?
"They" can tool anyone they want to. Club you down like a baby seal.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Apr 22, 2013 - 05:53pm PT
Werner, WTF?
Ricky

climber
Sometimes LA
Apr 22, 2013 - 05:57pm PT

One nice thing about Supertopo, it taught me that Werner Braun is mental.
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Apr 22, 2013 - 06:15pm PT
LOL

The Principal of Sandy Hook shot dead by Adam Lanza.

Reappears to give interview after the shootings then reappears at the Boston Marathon bombings.

LOL that anyone can be stupid enough to buy that shit
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 22, 2013 - 06:22pm PT
oh,

we got a dumb fuk right on this thread who believes in people coming back from the dead
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Apr 22, 2013 - 06:31pm PT
Werner, you're either trolling hard or you consume volumes of the kind of bullshit which is fundamentally no different than what was dished up to radicalized those to kids.

And ActivistPost? A more corrosive vector of anonymous claptrap can't be found on the internet today. Again, fundamentally little different from from the mindlessly conspiratorial imaginings of radical islamic websites.
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Apr 22, 2013 - 06:34pm PT
we got a dumb fuk right on this thread who believes in people coming back from the dead
Only one?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 22, 2013 - 06:38pm PT
Werner is quite correct about "spooks" being involved in ALL manner of things going on that we dont know. The NDAA 2013 bill has i dont know how many sections dealing with "clandestine ops"..I didnt see them on any sequester list either..
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 22, 2013 - 06:43pm PT
Interesting that the Saudi kid in the hospital is here on a student visa for a school in Ohio that evidently he has never been anywhere near.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 22, 2013 - 06:48pm PT


A mosque in Cambridge, Mass., confirmed Saturday that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the Chechen-born brothers suspected in the Boston marathon attacks, infrequently attended services at the small center that was a 10-minute walk from their apartment.

"In their visits, they never exhibited any violent sentiments or behavior. Otherwise they would have been immediately reported to the FBI," said the statement from the Islamic Society of Boston. "After we learned of their identities, we encouraged anyone who knew them in our congregation to immediate report to law enforcement, which has taken place."

Anwar Kazmi, a member of the mosque's board of trustees, told a USA Today reporter that 26-year-old Tamerlan Tsarnaev, who died early Friday morning after a shootout with police, was an infrequent attendee for about a year-and-a-half, while 19-year-old Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev, who was captured hiding in a boat in Watertown on Friday night, attended only once.

The Los Angeles Times initially reported that Tamerlan Tsarnaev was kicked out of the mosque three months ago after he interrupted a Friday prayer service to argue with the imam. The imam leading the service had enraged Tsarnaev by praising Martin Luther King Jr. A congregant told the newspaper that Tsarnaev shouted, "You cannot mention this guy because he’s not a Muslim!” When Tamerlan Tsarnaev later returned to prayer services at the mosque, there were no additional incidents.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/20/boston-bombers-mosque-cambridge_n_3125192.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Apr 22, 2013 - 06:48pm PT
Maybe it was a ME type after all, and not a US citizen involved? There's still hope, right TGT?
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 22, 2013 - 06:53pm PT
Same kid is classified under this section of Immigaration law and is on the no fly list.

http://www.inadmissibility.com/20.html


Debka may have it right this time.

Another double agent ploy that backfired.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 22, 2013 - 06:53pm PT
President Obama Wants the Death Penalty:


The White House said Monday it will not treat the surviving suspect in the Boston Marathon attack as an enemy combatant.

White House press secretary Jay Carney said that Boston suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev would be tried as a terrorist in the federal court system.

Tried as a terrorist means he can be given the death penalty

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-22/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-charged-under-seal-fbi-issues-update-his-health-condition
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