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Social climber
Apr 26, 2013 - 07:39pm PT
I don't see what the FBI should have done. They can't just follow hundreds of thousands of people around- I'm guessing the various potential terrorist lists are huge.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Apr 26, 2013 - 08:40pm PT
Ron is by far the craftiest of the lot on this thread. He has put himself in front of Dr. F and the minions for years now at why are republicans wrong about everything.. Without him that thread of yours would have no legs and would have squirmed to a halt long ago. So guys, next time you indulge in your inevitable hateful monotone rants look at who you have to thank-Ron. You guys really need to see psychiatrists but until your ACA psych benefits kick in you have Dr. Ron to keep you from going publically postal.Good day ladies and gentlemen.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Apr 26, 2013 - 08:58pm PT
You really should be thanking Ron, Joe, nobody else would indulge you for so long. And yes, every once in awhile the absurdity of it all is quite humorous, a la Colbert.

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 26, 2013 - 09:08pm PT
replay for the "progressive" Mr. Unhinged.

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Apr 26, 2013 - 09:16pm PT
2000+ posts basically speculating with nearly no hard information...

...carry on

Social climber
Apr 26, 2013 - 09:43pm PT

Ever hear of the Council for National Policy (CNP)

First take a look of the usual suspects and how they play in our government. A couple of them are dead.

Their first meeting in ‘81, I was living in Canada at the time and something was slipped under my door, “Strange why me?” Better question by who? Never opened the door since I was preoccupied and did not notice. When seeing the letter at first notice I did but no one there. Lived on top floor only four condos and knew the other three for sure not them so will never know.

“Members are instructed not to refer to the organization by name, to protect against leaks.”

Hell! It was their first meeting people make mistakes but see they changed things I think it had to do to a young Muslim and me.

Need to leave right now Friday you know but will get back to you about what’s to come in the future with these wonderful people and by the way hit the name Erik Prince where it says mother of Erik Prince. Ah! Notice Oly baby can’t miss it. Think I posted Prince’s name a couple days ago.

After dinner sat alone at the hotel bar General Singlaub sees me sits down with his aid the discussion was quite interesting. I will try not to make it too long.

Apr 26, 2013 - 09:55pm PT
FBI write up.

Then these pages are NOT for sensitive people (warning)


Apr 27, 2013 - 06:50am PT
coz wrote:
The wars in the ME by the USA where self defense, in reaction to 9/11.

Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.

The hijackers were Saudi and Egyptian.

Apr 27, 2013 - 06:54am PT
ron anderson wrote:
The main difference is ,, that from what i see,, christians arent engaged in world wide mayhem..

GW Bush pretty much declared the Afghanistan and Iraq invasions as Christianity against Islam.

ron anderson wrote:
And if you mean i stereo type radical islam,, well yeah,, there is only ONE radical islam.

Actually, it isn't. Hizbollah, the PLO, Hamas, etc., are not extremists for the same reasons. Islam is cover for the underlying geo-political tension/conflict.

F'ckinA, Ron, pick up a book or a newspaper once in a while.

Apr 27, 2013 - 10:48am PT
Hezbollah is Shiite and Hamas is Sunni.

But if I get the gist of what you're saying is that the protestant terrorism of the Ku Klux Klan in the USA and the Catholic terrorism of the IRA in Great Britain is all just the same "radical Christianity"?

What about the genocide in the Sudan? Two groups of Muslim faith involved. You'd have to know about the history of the area to understand that Islam had nothing to do with that conflict.

You just don't try to dig or think about things any deeper than scratching the Fox News surface, do you?

Sometimes LA
Apr 27, 2013 - 11:03am PT

Coz climbs 5.14. I know this because he told me. Several times.

Apr 27, 2013 - 11:07am PT
The wars in the ME by the USA where self defense, in reaction to 9/11

I thought that was just their bullshit excuse.

Apr 27, 2013 - 11:30am PT
ron anderson wrote:
Not talking about the Sudan conflicts. Im not talking about the Buddhists and muslim conflict either. Im talking about two Chechens who "defended islam" or 19 plane-jackers, or a Ft Hood person that killed for "allah".

So what you're writing in the above is that they're not all the same, right?

In other words we can't just make the sweeping "all attacks and conflicts are radical Islam" generalization, right? Each has its own geopolitical specifics, so it would be stupid (and unsafe) to approach everything with the same strategy and through the same lens, wouldn't it?

Apr 27, 2013 - 11:33am PT
ron anderson wrote:
Now,, as for your answer to true muslim, all i will suggest is READING the Qua-ran.. Then get back to me.

So you've read the Koran in it's original Arabic, right? And you have a strong grasp of 7th century Arabic, I assume (you know, as to not misinterpret expressions and all).

I probably shouldn't assume, it makes an ass out of you and me.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
Apr 27, 2013 - 12:00pm PT
...picking up book or newspaper narrowly averted!!!!

Apr 27, 2013 - 12:03pm PT

You're asking people to read the Koran, but have you actually read the book or haven't you?

It's like Christians quoting the Old Testament as the literal truth, but have only actually read the thing in modern English instead of the original Hebrew (which is really an Aramaic dialect) and putting the expressions in the original Hebrew into their context. A simple example would be the number 40 coming up a lot, which was a number used to basically indicate "a long time". (40-day flood, 40 years in the desert, ...).

I'm not trying to refute that certain Muslim communities don't overreact to political cartoons depicting the prophet Mohamed in an unflattering way.

However, you seem to easily dismiss the violent parts of the Old Testament - stoning, animal sacrifice, et al, - as no longer applicable, as do many of the proclaimed religious in here do, and no one (other than one or two anti-semites on supertopo) attributes the violent Israeli policy in the occupied Palestine to violence in the Torah.

Yet for some illogical reason you attribute episodes of violence committed by a few Muslims to a small portion of the translated texts of a book written centuries ago (a book that you have not even read), and then generalize about not only the 1.5 billion Muslims across the planet (who most live in India, China, and Indonesia) as well as the extremist groups committing their violence in the name of Islam.

This radical ignorance on your part is just fine with guys like GW Bush and Cheney, because it allows them to (wrongly) invade countries in the Middle East like Iraq with your full and unquestioning support.

Apr 27, 2013 - 12:08pm PT
ricky wrote:
Coz climbs 5.14. I know this because he told me. Several times.

Not sure why you wrote this. Coz clearly is an experienced climber, guide, and rigger.

He has my respect and my ear when it comes to climbing( and climbing equipment).

But he doesn't know jack sh#t about the Middle East, and I would say he almost as dangerously ignorant as ron anderson.

Apr 27, 2013 - 12:12pm PT
Read this sh!t ...?

Trad climber
Apr 27, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
The Mideast has a pretty craptacular track record with women's rights; I don't think you'd find anyone who would argue that. There is progress being made on that front though, and it should be applauded, just like women/minorities continuing to get rights in the US.

I lived in Syria for just under two years, and my experiences appear to be the opposite of yours. Weird. Particularly the bit about women on the street always cowering. Didn't see it in Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, or Egypt, though when I did travel I tended to be in the more urban areas (with the exception of Jordan). That could be a reason - those backwards places tend to be bastions for narrow mindedness and stupidity.

No one is saying those people in Boston deserved to be murdered, but you can't look at the US's foreign policy over the past decade and be shocked when some nutjob blows himself up in the name of Allah. Bush's invasions and Obama's drone attacks have been a better recruiting tool for those extremist groups than anything.

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Apr 27, 2013 - 03:21pm PT
The trend seems to be going backwards in terms of women's rights in the Middle East and North Africa, or Islamic culture. Sharia is becoming 'cool' again there.

Algeria and Tunisia appear to be fighting to be the exceptions. But, they're fighting it. Egypt, after Mubarak's fall, has gotten worse. People were supposed to be more "free" once the "brutal dicatator" was overthrown. Go ask women and Coptic Christians how that is going.

Afghanistan in the 70's was like Turkey of today. Chicks in skirts, and a general secular culture.

Islam is not the problem, per se. It just my need a reformation from within. Anybody, trust me I know this, can twist words and bend interpretations. As the Catholic Church did, Islam needs a reformation.

But, as I said, it seems to be getting worse, not more moderate. Pay attention to North Africa, Southern Thailand, and Southeastern India. Intolerance is spreading.

Radical Islam is on the march again. Let's hope it doesn't take another Crusade to stop it. Maybe it can be stopped from within.
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