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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 29, 2013 - 02:16am PT
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I'm here. When they come for you, you're own your own.
And quit leg-humping Jeebus~! Fag!
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Apr 29, 2013 - 10:30am PT
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Myopic stupidity is a poison. And it's spreading.
There ya go. All fixed. Let us know when you finish the bottle.
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Gunkie
Trad climber
East Coast US
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3 more arrested in the Boston bombings.. GLAD they were able to get SOME info before he was given rights undeserved.
from CNN.com...
The Kazakh students face charges of making false statements to investigators and conspiracy to obstruct justice, according to a federal law enforcement source with firsthand knowledge of the investigation.
Suspects disposed of backpacks, fireworks from dorm room, source says.
This is just a precursor. These dopes will be spending 20+ in the big house for obstruction of a terrorism investigation. Glad they will never get laid by choice.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Central Park Five... all coerced into confessing... all young minorities... all convicted and incarcerated... all innocent of the crime in question...
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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As stated earlier, right wingers are too scared and fearful to be Real Americans. They are ready to jettison the Constitution at the drop of a hat.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Have we given "trails" to all the other GITMO residents?? Noooo..
of course not, they were arrested on foreign soil and they are not US citizens
by your question, I take it Ron that you believe they should all be given trials now?
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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My advice for you (and plenty of others) is to stop reading the paper and newswires, and don't watch the evening news on the telly - ever. You will be far happier and much less fearful when you go to Scolaris.
DMT +1
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Ron, I agree that the 16 year old in Yemen shouldn't have been killed.
I also agree that Tsarnayev, an American citizen arrested in the USA deserves a trial.
McVeigh got one. Terry Nichols got one. Kaczyinski got one. Eric Rudolph got one. Robert Chambliss got one. Richard Reid got one. Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab got one. David Harlow got one. Chevie Kehoe and Danny Lee got one. Sirhan Sirhan got one. James Earl Ray got one. Omar Abdel Rahman got one.
Should I continue?
On Friday morning in downtown Manhattan, Osama bin Laden’s son-in-law appeared in a federal courtroom to be charged with conspiring to kill Americans. In a sober, orderly proceeding that lasted a total of 17 minutes, Judge Lewis Kaplan explained to Suleiman Abu Ghaith his rights, appointed his defense lawyers, read the charges against him, recorded his plea of “not guilty,” ordered the prisoner’s continued detention and announced that he would set a trial date for the case in 30 days.
Prosecutors have already turned over the bulk of their unclassified evidence against the defendant. Abu Ghaith, who was transferred to New York from Jordan on March 3, is reportedly cooperating with federal authorities and providing important information about al Qaeda.
It was, in others words, an ordinary, orderly federal court arraignment in an international terrorism case. Almost 500 such defendants have been convicted in U.S. federal courts on U.S. soil since the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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Ron,
If someone is allowed to pick and choose who gets due process and who gets minimal process, the system becomes open (or more open) to corruption and eventually you and I will end up with that same minimal process. Everyone musty get it as a matter of policy or the protections afforded us by that process are gone.
Plus, I was not at any of the incidents mentioned where there was 100% sureness that the perpetrator was known. I can either rely on the system to make sure that the wrong person is not just thrown in a hole or I can rely on people to ensure that. Again, people are corrupt and cannot be trusted so the system is in place to try to avoid that corruption. At least corruption is harder with a system that treats everyone equally, or tries to.
There are too many extremists who say that they are on the side of law and order but would jump at the chance to bypass the law and just lynch someone accused of a heinous crime. As soon as they get emotional about it, the idea of a trial and even Miranda rights will get thrown out the window. Why read a guy his rights if he is obviously the criminal? Why not just kill the guy on site? Arrests are a waste of my money, right?
A system where there is a way to expedite a trial and give less defense to some than to others is a system that will fail more miserably than anything we have now. We are a people, no a species, of prejudice and that prejudice will take over if we have a system that caters to people who want to expedite things just because they are a bit more pissed of than normal.
Really, I would agree with the idea of expediting justice but I just can't put my trust in anyone to make the right decision when the time comes to actually decide a case.
Dave
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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They just might be that nice muslim neighbor youve known for ten years, that shocks you completely because of his nice warm nature.
What should we do to our nice warm Muslim neighbors, just sit around and WAIT for them to attack us?!!
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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There seems to be confusion over the death of a 16 year old who was born in Denver.
All reports state that the boy was NOT the "target" of the drone attack which killed numerous known al-kay-duh terrorists.
The boy HAPPENED to be with the group.
Abdulrahman al-Awlaki
Anwar Al-Awlaki and Egyptian-born Gihan Mohsen Baker had an American son, born on September 13, 1995, in Denver, named Abdulrahman Anwar Al-Awlaki.[246] Abdulrahman al-Awlaki was killed at the age of 16 in an American drone strike on Friday, October 14, 2011, in Yemen, along with alleged al-Qaeda members.[247] Nine other people were killed in the same CIA-led attack. Among the dead was a 17-year-old cousin of Abdulrahman.[
so Ron, HOW exactly is his death somehow a "failure" of the drone program any more than the unintended deaths of MANY civilians who were are continue to be killed in US drone attacks on al-kay-duhs?
so fuking what if he was "born" in Denver, his al-kay-duh father got him out of the USA as a young child and raised him in Yemen
why is his death SUCH a huge big ass deal to you?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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edit: Norton,, ive answered that THOROUGHLY here. scroll doood..
no, what you have done is constantly criticize your own governments Defense Authorization Act and your big criticism seems to be your personal horror and indignation over the is 16 year old killed in a drone attack.
This ONE aspect of the NDAA is sure a big deal to you, Ron
you keep bringing it up
yet, you never laid out why this particular 16 year old is so special to you, especially so because he was not the target of the drone attack, just happened to be with the group
I am guessing that your "outrage" over this incident is what? ...because you personally think that our intelligence people should NOT have requested that the NDAA contain the authorization that yes we can and will kill anyone, US citizen or not, on US soil or not, IF we have damn good reason to believe that they are participating or planning attacks against America
you damn right that should be in the NDAA, because it does not matter a bit, not even a little, if someone is born in the USA or not, or if is carrying out his terrorist crap IN the USA or not,
ALL Americans, including YOU, ought to support our people when they want every possible authorization to kill the same radical Islamists you rail against
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Well Norton, the way President Obama and the administration have been able to get the number of innocents lower is to change the way that they classify folks. They now call any 16-80 year old male killed in a drone strike an insurgent.
That the President can and is killing Americans, and in a couple of cases unarmed ones, for just sh#t talking, should shock anyone who believes that the constitutional form of government is good and to be followed. Without the rule of law, what do you wind up with?
This lack of due process in violation of the law via announced legal sophistry, and avoidance of due process, is very very disturbing.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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They now call any 16-80 year old male killed in a drone strike an insurgent.
The oldest trick in the book. When the Palestinians blow up a bus load of Israeli kids, the Palestinians are called terrorists. When Israelis blow up a bus load of Palestinian kids, the Israelis are called commandos.
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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As a native-born Irishman, I have to point out the terrible irony of everybody in Boston trying to figure out where in Russia these two went for training, when generations of Irish terrorists flew into Logan airport to openly train on AR's and AK's at New England shooting camps.
Or the millions of dollars raised in Boston to buy semtex from Ghadaffi, or the seven tons of guns and ammo that sailed out of Boston harbor on the fishing boat Valhalla, or the boatloads more that were never intercepted?
TE
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Their principal benefactor.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Werner noted: "Couchmaster don't pay any attention to this stupid fool."
LOL, Werner, but then you replied to him, thus giving him the attention he is seeking. There's a difficult conundrum brother:-)
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/01/man-angry-over-boston-bombings-breaks-jaw-of-fcking-muslim-iraq-war-veteran/
Man angry over Boston bombings breaks jaw of ‘f*cking Muslim’ Iraq war veteran
By David Edwards
Wednesday, May 1, 2013 15:35 EDT
Topics: Dahlberg ♦ Emerald Aviation President Ed Dahlberg ♦ Mohamed A. Salim
A 39-year-old Muslim cab driver who served in the Iraq war says that an executive from an aviation company accused him of being a jihadist and broke his jaw in what activists are calling a hate crime.
Mohamed A. Salim told The Washington Post that Emerald Aviation President Ed Dahlberg attacked him after he picked him up at Country Club of Fairfax in Northern Virginia at around 2 a.m. on Friday. Dahlberg had been drinking and was told that he would have to finish his open beer before getting into the cab.
Salim recorded audio of the encounter on his cell phone.
Dahlberg can be heard asking Salim, who emigrated from Somalia, to define “jihad” and then lumping him in with “radical f*#king Muslims blowing people up all over the world.”
“Denounce those motherf*#kers now!” Dahlberg demands. “If you’re a f*#king Muslim flying jets into the f*#king World Trade Center then f*#k you. I will slice your f*#king throat right now.”
After Salim threatens to call 911, Dahlberg can be seen grabbing for the cell phone.
Salim said that Dahlberg left the cab, but then returned and broke his jaw before running into the woods.
Dahlberg was charged with misdemeanor assault and police are determining if charges should be elevated to a felony hate crime. The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) on Monday said that medical records and the 11-minute cell phone recording were being used as evidence in the case.
In a statement, Dahlberg’s attorney, Demetry Pikrallidas, admitted that his client “became rather emotional as the discussion turned to jihad and 9/11, and especially heated on the subject of jihadists who want to harm America.”
Pikrallidas insisted that Dahlberg did not assault Salim.
The website for Dahlberg’s company, Emerald Aviation, was offline for four days of “scheduled maintenance” as of Wednesday afternoon. A cached copy of the website listed him as the president and said he had “20 years experience in the field of business and commercial aviation” and was known for “transparent business transactions and always effectively representing the best interests of his clients.”
Salim is a naturalized U.S. citizen and is an Army Reserve sergeant who has worked in intelligence and as a linguist. He served in Iraq and at the Guantanamo Bay detention center.
“I sacrificed for this country,” Salim told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer on Wednesday. “And I myself was fighting the terrorists and I’m against acts of violence. I’m not a terrorist. I’m not a jihadist. I’m American like you.”
“Whether he’s guilty of assault or not is up to a jury to decide, but the video makes it clear that the guy is a bigoted as#@&%e,” Jalopnik’s Patrick George observed on Wednesday. “There’s no excuse for treating someone else this way.”
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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So how about cremating him and scattering his ashes at sea? Cheap and easy.
Oh, wait, we don't want to offend any religious sensibilities now, do we?
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Just throw the body into the ocean before there can be identification or an autopsy. lol. That's how we Mericans deal with dead Muslims "to respect there cultural values". That's actually what they said. sh#t...
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