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Patrick Sawyer

Originally California now Ireland
Apr 13, 2013 - 11:49am PT
I interviewed her in 1989 when I was editor of Training Personnel magazine (Wembley/Stonebridge Park) after she had instigated the launch of the Training and Enterprise Councils (TECs).

I will not speak ill of the dead, but she was not my cup of tea and a tough interview.

But I challenge some of those who think her legacy is sparkling. The Argentinian Junta saved her premiership, she was down in the low 20s in the polls. I am sure she was glad that the generals decided (because they were also in the shits) to attack the Falklands/Malvinas.

The best way to get a country behind you, is to go to war, as the Argie generals did and Thatcher obliged.

Interesting to see that the conservative posters on the Taco Stand think she was wonderful. I lived under her rule, I researched her, and I interviewed her.


As a side note regarding the Falklands/Malvinas conflict. I had fellow colleagues, English, tell me that the US did not help Britain. BS.

We gave them the loan of ships and logistics. Even though Reagan and Thatcher were close (Hmmm, I wonder how close, did Nancy and Denis know, hah hah, okay, now I am being mean) he wasn't so sure how much help and support to give as to not to upset the OAS (Organization of American States) who were supporting the Argie argument, but Casper Weinberger convinced Ronnie Raygun to help our 'cousins'.

I tried telling my British colleagues, why did Weinberger receive an honorary British knighthood from Queen Elizabeth II.
Patrick Sawyer

Originally California now Ireland
Apr 13, 2013 - 12:18pm PT
Okay, one more comment. Leaders should be strong, but being dogmatic and obstinate as Maggie was... good democratic leadership should have room for compromise. There is more than one at the party.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Apr 13, 2013 - 12:30pm PT
Ska Music intermission for Jaybro !


Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Apr 13, 2013 - 12:38pm PT
Patrick, aside from intel I would be most interested to see your evidence
that we materially supported the cousins down south. They did not lack for
naval resources. Their weakness was long-range air power notably highlighted
by the Monty Pythonesque mission to take out the Port Stanley airfield prior
to the invasion. It was about 10 minutes' fuel short of a tragic cockup.
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Apr 13, 2013 - 01:40pm PT
Surprised this clip hasn't been posted - makes Morrisey's comments seem tame by comparison.

The discussion following her comments at 06:30 is worth watching as well.


Trad climber
Apr 14, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
In agreement with Dr F. here. Full blooming cactus for him. Thatcher could have been more Bill Clinton-George Mitchell about the nineteen hunger strikers in '81. Complete fail on her part.

Famished after a bus ride from Dublin to Belfast, I finally located Sands' grave in the rain. I commenced eating fish and chips out of a white paper bag. Later in the day, I realized how disrespectful this was considering I was standing atop hunger striker graves.
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Plan B

Ice climber
Agua Dulce,CA
Apr 14, 2013 - 01:59pm PT
Anti-Thatcher song is a chart-topper in UK
April 13, 2013 9:29 AM
Mourners prepare for Wednesday's funeral of former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, but anti-Thatcher protesters are stealing the limelight, as they propel "Ding Dong The Witch is Dead!" to the top of the UK music charts. Charlie D'Agata reports.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Apr 14, 2013 - 02:30pm PT

Perhaps I jumped the gun in thinking what you posted after the video of Thatcher condemning the EU, was in support of such multinational arrangements. That's why I asked the question. I am interested in what you think of these supranational treaties. (NAFTA, etc)

The crowning achievement of European collectivist thinking is the Economic Union. This was supposed to have led to streamlined economic activity concerning tariffs and elimination of bureaucratic redundancy for economic reasons only

One of it's real results has been nation states losing political autonomy under the threat of being sanctioned or kicked out of the EU for not agreeing to decisions made that have an adverse effect at home.

Trad climber
Apr 14, 2013 - 05:25pm PT
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Apr 14, 2013 - 11:33pm PT

Big Wall climber
Apr 14, 2013 - 11:40pm PT
Dr f thanks for a response. I have read somewhere that lots of heroin is to contribute.

Trad climber
Apr 14, 2013 - 11:47pm PT
Musical interlude.

Oliver's army is here to staa-aa-aay
Oliver's army are on their waa-aa-aay

Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Apr 15, 2013 - 12:04am PT
Peter Haan

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
Apr 15, 2013 - 12:07am PT
Francois Mitterand described Thatcher as having "the eyes of Caligula and the mouth of Marilyn Monroe".

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 21, 2013 - 04:11pm PT

Apr 21, 2013 - 07:11pm PT
You really choose to quote a Vichy traiter, Peter?

Her polarizing historical status speaks volumes. Reduces the gray and brings everything into stark contrast.

Trad climber
4 Corners Area
Apr 30, 2013 - 07:05pm PT
Are those clouds in TGT's picture?^^^^^

Or . . .

Is it the smoke from the flames of hell?

Social climber
Apr 30, 2013 - 07:37pm PT
Are those clouds in TGT's picture?^^^^^

Or . . .

Is it the smoke from the flames of hell?

Credit: crunch

Trad climber
Flagstaff, AZ
Apr 30, 2013 - 08:24pm PT
It's been an awakening experience to see what was going on world-wide with the failed conservative movement of the 80s

Failed? Economic liberalisation has led to 300-400 million people being pulled out of poverty in China over the past decade. Sub-Saharan Africa is rising quickly. Developing countries all over the world are enjoying the benefits of open and free economic systems.

First, the movement of the 80s is still the driving economic paradigm of today. Secondly, it has been shown to be successful. I am not sure how that is seen as failure.

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Apr 30, 2013 - 10:19pm PT
Never mind...!
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