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John M
climber
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Sicmic makes a good point:
"It's hard to generate a lot of sympathy Semi. The store offered product at a price. You paid the price. It sounds like you learned to check the price you'd like to pay BEFORE plunking-down your cash. Reality is a cruel mistress. Enjoy your rope."
I agree that he accepted the price, yet he accepted it based on a possible lie. That the store sold ropes at the msrp. It would be nice to be able to trust a store clerk when they tell you something like that.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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It would be nice to be able to trust a store clerk when they tell you something like that.
I don't trust clerks. Some do. Many of them don't have a clue.
Reminds me... when I worked at REI in 1998 I had to deal with a return on climbing gear. It was an 8mm dynamic rope, a top rope set up, a couple harnesses, and an ATC.
After talking to the guy I figured out he had been sold the gear specifically to TR some routes... in American Fork. I didn't know of any anchors in AF that weren't guarded by a steep slope of choss, so I asked. I pulled out the guide book and he showed me a 12c with "easily" accessed anchors that had been recommended to him by the person who sold him the gear. He had set up the TR with no directionals. He had a hard time with the actual climb so he started climbing "about 40 feet to the right." When he fell the rope stretched, his belayer (12 year old son?) was pulled off the ground, and he cratered/slid into the choss. He decided climbing wasn't the sport for him and wanted to return the gear.
I was shocked that someone had sold him that gear for that reason with that route as a suggestion.
I used to get a kick out of the guy who would sell Aces ("the ultimate beginner shoe") with the advice... "if you can get your foot in it, you need to go down at least another 1/2 size."
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John M
climber
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I don't completely trust store clerks either, especially for gear recs, but in a supposedly reputable store, if the store clerk said the price was the msrp, then I would hope to be able to trust them on that. And I would hold them to that if they lied to me. Opinion on what is safe is an entirely different matter. Its just opinion, versus..thats the msrp.
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SicMic
climber
two miles from Eldorado
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I agree, John. It kinda sux. The price was marked but Quasi didn't check it until later. Didn't consider buying one on-line before the trip to save some $$. But ultimately, don't like it? Don't buy it.
You're at the crag. Get out there and have some fun.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Caveat Emptor
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TrundleBum
Trad climber
Las Vegas
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Funny/entertaining thread:
Two weeks ago I had some cash, needed a rope and didn't feel like doing much homework on the subject. I knew a quick decision/impulse'ish buy would most likely result in a little less for a little more... but said 'So what!'
Did a brief web search and then bopped over to R.E.I at Bocca Park.
Picked up a Blue Water 60m for $140.00
My dividend basically reimburses me for the tax.
(R.E.I is what? 4 blocks from DRS!)
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Bill at Desert Rock is a fabulous guy. Business wise, he as always treated more than fairly. He does the best he can as an employee of a boutique climbing shop. As a personal friend he has shown me great generosity with gear and/or beta in the past. I am sorry to see the name of such a genuine person smudged by someone that wants to whine about their own lack of responsibility.
You were given a price. You paid it, and now your upset ?
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John M
climber
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You were given a price. You paid it, and now your upset ?
Mercy.. He is upset that he was told the price was the msrp, and it appears to not be.
Buyer Beware.. thats fine, but buyer also has a right to protest if he has been lied to.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Yes Wes, I can convert fractions (I try to keep a straight face at the butcher block when I order 5-6 ounces of lean burger and watch the guy behind the counter vapor lock looking at the scale display.
"It doesn't DO ounces."
"Sure it does you just have to use fifth grade math. Remember how they said that you were going to need this stuff in real life?"
lol)
So Quasimodo, do you have trouble with squeeze chimneys with a hunch on your back and a chip on your shoulder?
trivia alert
The first film Quasimodo was Lon Chaney, man of a thousand faces, who also played a bent over character in the film, London After Midnight (no copies of which still exist), but it was seen by a young jewish singer and vaudeville actor named Julius Henry Marx.
In time "Groucho" Marx used it as inspiration for his distinctive crouching walk.
Today, SWAT teams train to approach targets in a similar manner in order to maintain weapon stability and refer to it as a groucho walk.
So Quasi, that buyers remorse is a bitch, huh.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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I try to keep a straight face at the butcher block when I order 5-6 ounces of lean burger and watch the guy behind the counter vapor lock looking at the scale display.
That's easy 5-6 ounces = -1 ounce. I'd "vapor lock" too if some old dude asked to give me an oz of lean burger.
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