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mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 15, 2013 - 08:43pm PT
Free Market, invented all the stuff we have today....except for the atom bomb.

Complete bullsh#t.

The first paved roads were built by bicycle clubs....

But the majority of roads in use today, including interstates, were designed, funded, and built by the government.

The TVA was founded long after the first power compaines.

Because the power companies were unable/unwilling to meet the growing energy needs of the citizens.

But if you think that the over blown government we have today, one that can't balance it's books, is going to come up with the next great "THING" and transform our lives, well that makes me laugh.

It is pretty laughable to think anyone actually thinks the government is involved in innovation. Where did THAT idea come from?

Government determines policy and the distribution of public funds based on the will of the people. It is high time (we)they decided to stop "distributing" our money on the energy resources of last century and reevaluate (our)their energy policy from a stand point of efficiency, sustainability, and diversity. To accomplish that we need people who clearly didn't understand the role of government to stop getting in the way.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 15, 2013 - 08:56pm PT
Government determines policy and the distribution of public funds based on the will of the people.

You mean based on keeping happy the most effective special interest group for maintaining their power.

You just want to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic and promote a different group of plunderers.



But how is this legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime.

Then abolish this law without delay, for it is not only an evil itself, but also it is a fertile source for further evils because it invites reprisals. If such a law — which may be an isolated case — is not abolished immediately, it will spread, multiply, and develop into a system.

The person who profits from this law will complain bitterly, defending his acquired rights. He will claim that the state is obligated to protect and encourage his particular industry; that this procedure enriches the state because the protected industry is thus able to spend more and to pay higher wages to the poor workingmen.

Do not listen to this sophistry by vested interests. The acceptance of these arguments will build legal plunder into a whole system. In fact, this has already occurred. The present-day delusion is an attempt to enrich everyone at the expense of everyone else; to make plunder universal under the pretense of organizing it.

F. Bastiat 1850
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Mar 15, 2013 - 09:14pm PT
What was that about "free Maket"?

Philo's on it. Never has been, never will be... Not as long as the bankers are in charge.

Iceland has the plan

The 2009–2011 Icelandic financial crisis protests, also referred to as the Kitchenware Revolution[1] or Icelandic Revolution (Icelandic: Íslenska Byltingin) occurred in the wake of the Icelandic financial crisis. There had been sporadic protests since October 2008 against the Icelandic government's handling of the financial crisis. The protests intensified on 20 January 2009 with thousands of people showing up to protest at the parliament (Althing) in Reykjavík.[2][3][4]

Protesters were calling for the resignation of government officials, and for new elections to be held.[5] The protests stopped for the most part with the resignation of the old right-wing government.[6] A new left-wing government was formed after elections in late April 2009. It was supportive of the protestors, and initiated a reform process that included the judicial prosecution before the Landsdómur of the former Prime Minister Geir Haarde.


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Icelandic_financial_crisis_protests


And these are the people who will try and make it happen in the states;

American Tent Cities
Camp Quixote, Olympia, Washington State[2]
Camp Take Notice, Ann Arbor, Michigan[3]
Dignity Village, Portland, Oregon
New Jack City and Little Tijuana, Fresno, California[2]
Nickelsville, located in Seattle[2][4]
River Haven,[5]Ventura County, California[6][7]
Safe Ground, Sacramento, California[2]
Temporary Homeless Service Area (THSA), Ontario, California[2]
Tent City, Lakewood, New Jersey[8][9]
Tent City, Avenue A and 13th Street, Lubbock, Texas[10]
Tent City, New Jersey forest[11]
Tent City, banks of the American River, Sacramento, California[12][13][14][15][16][17][18][19][20]
Tent City 3, Seattle
Tent City 4, eastern King County outside of Seattle
The Point, where the Gunnison River and Colorado River meet[21]
The Village of Hope and Community of Hope, Fresno, California[2]
Transition Park, Camden, New Jersey
Tent City, Fayette County, Tennessee, [1]
Camp Unity , Kirkland, WA [2]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tent_cities_in_the_United_States#section_1

Tent cities have sprung up in and around at least 55 American cities - they represent the bleak reality of America's poverty crisis.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/panorama/hi/front_page/newsid_9694000/9694094.stm
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 15, 2013 - 09:24pm PT
You just want to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic and promote a different group of plunderers.

Guarantee those who did something, anything, were better off and better appreciated than those who sat on their asses cheering for the worst possible outcome.
Gary

Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
Mar 15, 2013 - 09:27pm PT
Government just gets in the way, it lacks the brains and the creative vision to come up with ideas that will make money. If it dosen't make money
it's not a viable enterprise.

Guyman, is that your bottom line? Money? Is that what's important?

Market forces at work? Here's market forces at work:

In the '70s a company in West Virginia unleashed a load of carbon tetrachloride into the Ohio River threatening the water supply of millions, not to mention the ecosystem.

It wasn't an accident. They did the numbers. It was cheaper to dump it and pay the fine than to dispose of it properly.

F*#k a bunch of market forces.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 16, 2013 - 11:34am PT
The miracle of the "free market" is largely a myth. In the world of unfettered unregulated free market you end up with very profitable businesses doing a cut and run and leaving delightful legacys like Love Canal for our children to play in. Businesses just want to make money. They would hunt the last whale or buffalo for a buck if allowed. Show them how they can profit while developing sustainability or rue the consequences.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 16, 2013 - 12:15pm PT
"The only way to really break this cycle of spiking gas prices, the only way to break that cycle for good, is to shift our cars entirely, our cars and trucks, off oil."
 President Barack Obama
Today Obama announced a proposal for a $2 billion alternative fuel research fund.
http://tinyurl.com/bh37ts8

Defying conventional wisdom about the limits of wind power, in 2012 both Iowa and South Dakota generated close to 1/4 of their electricity from wind farms. The US now has 60,000 MW of wind online, enough to power more than 14 million homes.
http://tinyurl.com/a9dkvum

If Texas were a country, it would be sixth in the world for wind power. The Lone Star state is seeing the benefits of wind development, which is creating local and regional jobs, boosting the economy, and keeping energy rates low and steady.
http://tinyurl.com/cphy3sh
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 16, 2013 - 12:30pm PT
^^^ Ya Think?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 16, 2013 - 01:17pm PT
Consume less?... communist!
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 16, 2013 - 01:39pm PT

Ahhh paradise. A wildlife refuge and bird sanctuary if ever I saw one.




Oh and warm bird baths too.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 16, 2013 - 03:52pm PT


Wind mills don't look too bad to me.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Mar 16, 2013 - 04:19pm PT
The government cant direct our technoligy... they are to dumb.

Yes, but they do incorporate anything they can into the defense and intelligence agencies.

I fear for the young who will be born into some version of 1984. No kidding. Everything you do and say is now recorded and will be kept. So don't go posting too many party pics on FB.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 16, 2013 - 07:27pm PT

EARTH-The Operators' Manual
Like This Page · 3 hours ago

Deutsche Bank has released a report concluding that the global solar market will be able to compete without subsidies by the end of 2014, and in countries like India and Italy, that's already the case.
http://ow.ly/j2XjF — with Tom Bell Waynes Solar.
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Mar 18, 2013 - 01:44pm PT
i think a sky full of bird chopping windmills looks like hell on earth.

I agree 100%...

UGULY... uguly uguly...

So what do you guys have against cars????? How you going to get to the crags, over 300 miles away, on your schedule?

We live in the real golden age of transportation freedom.

Riding Buses and trains is for the 3rd world....
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 18, 2013 - 11:25pm PT
Guyman, it's the 21st century why are you addicted to the status quo of last century?

????????????????????


2012 saw more than 16 million solar panels installed in the US, making it the fastest growing domestic energy source. In total, solar reached a 76% growth with 3.3 GW installed.
http://tinyurl.com/d4xcoku
Captain...or Skully

climber
Mar 18, 2013 - 11:49pm PT
An Orbital Solar Platform could collect 24/7. And it's not in the Way.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Mar 19, 2013 - 02:48am PT
Yes Captain it wouldn't be in the way, but anything in the path of it's power transmission back to Earth would be. At least it would be a cooperative expansion off Earth to solve our problems. We have to expand outwards as a species or suffer ever escalating, irrational and ultimately self destructive argument much like here on Supertopo.Humans need frontiers or we turn inwards seeking the lowest common denominator as the spirit shrivels.
Gary

Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
Mar 19, 2013 - 08:37am PT
i think a sky full of bird chopping windmills looks like hell on earth.

So far, we've documented one dead golden eagle.
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Mar 19, 2013 - 11:40am PT
Guyman, it's the 21st century why are you addicted to the status quo of last century?

I am not.


Philo let me ask you this question.


When did you stop beating beating your wife and kids?????
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 19, 2013 - 11:56am PT
So what do you guys have against cars????? How you going to get to the crags, over 300 miles away, on your schedule?

Well this question seems to indicate that you think that there is only one way to do things.
What would be wrong with electric vehicles charged on solar energy?
Do we have to be enslaved to the internal combustion engine simply because it is the technology we have now?


As to your other question, grow up!
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