My favorite is getting plastic grocery bags banned, while not doing a thing to reduce the vastly greater amounts of plastic used in the packaging contained inside.

At least the eco-nuts know how to get the ball rolling.

Algae

Tidal power has immense potential to produce nearly unlimited clean energy.

But most would have to agree that belching hydrocarbons into our atmosphere is unsustainable.

Think of how many jobs could be created rebuilding infrastructure for the green revolution of the 21st century.

So Naysayers, educate yourselves before you knee jerk with negativity.
For example the comment was made about solar roads that they should use PV cells not LED lights.
Well if they had taken 30 more seconds to investigate rather than opine unwittingly they would have found the LED lights in the artists rendition are for signage and lane markers not electrical generation. The PV system is there if you look.

conventional roads are already made mostly of petrochemicals and ground up rock climbs.

And FWIW the pic you posted shows no PVs, only a layer of LEDs.

And again I say take a closer look at the info and not just a glance at a picture.

sure those bird killing windmills...nttawwt!

Just finished up Section E of the PCT. Spent a lot of time hiking through the wind farms. I'd heard about all of the birds being killed by the windmills, so was curious to check it out. I expected piles of carcasses around each mill, but found no evidence at all of bird deaths. Just anecdotal evidence, of course, but still.

If we could just get the mouth breathing, knuckle dragging, troglodytes out of the way.

The Electric Car

As we face a myriad of environmental problems caused by driving gasoline-fueled cars for nearly a century, an innovative and viable solution for the problem may be the electric car. A battery operated electric car, noiseless, odorless, pollution-free, could be the answers to worries about toxic fumes and depletion about natural resources. Intriguing, though, is that thousands of electric cars were in operation for twenty to thirty years around the turn of twentieth century and that women drove most of them. In fact, the cars were marketed heavily to women, as shown by the ad illustrated here, once sales analysis indicated women were the primary market for the electric car.

Clean, comfortable, and easy to operate, electric cars didn't need cranked or motor driven starters and many were designed as enclosed vehicles. Electric cars had limited range (improving from 20 to 50-100 miles per charge by 1910) and were less powerful than gasoline powered cars, making them best suited for running errands about town. Manufacturers predicted in 1899 that "...the whole of the United States will be...sprinkled with electric charging stations."

Perhaps the most popular electric car sold in the United States was the Detroit Electric, which began production in 1907. Originally produced by the Anderson Carriage Company, the company changed its name to Detroit Electric Car Co. in 1918 and continued to build electric vehicles until ceasing operations in 1939. The best production year was 1916, with about 3,000 units sold.

Ultimately, the limitations of electric cars outweighed their good points. Although Thomas Edison optimistically announced a long-distance electric storage battery in 1901, he was unable to effectively manufacture it until 1908. The 1908 battery provided a range of up to 200 miles, but was expensive (over $600) and inefficient when charging (over 30% of the charging energy was wasted). After World War I started, manufacturing capacity was diverted to batteries for submarines until 1920.

As a result, as long distance touring and high speed driving became popular in America, neither could be done in an electric car. The gasoline-powered engine won out, but good ideas are persistant: as we begin the twenty first century, we are thinking again about the advantages of the electric car.

Guy, did you read that?

So Gary you walked through, one wind farm. Now that is SOLID evidence...

I'll get you a link, OK?

The government cant direct our technoligy... they are to dumb.

thats why a free market is 10,000 times better than any directed economy.

Free Market, invented all the stuff we have today....except for the atom bomb.

The first paved roads were built by bicycle clubs....

The TVA was founded long after the first power compaines.

But if you think that the over blown government we have today, one that can't balance it's books, is going to come up with the next great "THING" and transform our lives, well that makes me laugh.

Government determines policy and the distribution of public funds based on the will of the people.

But how is this legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime.

Then abolish this law without delay, for it is not only an evil itself, but also it is a fertile source for further evils because it invites reprisals. If such a law — which may be an isolated case — is not abolished immediately, it will spread, multiply, and develop into a system.

The person who profits from this law will complain bitterly, defending his acquired rights. He will claim that the state is obligated to protect and encourage his particular industry; that this procedure enriches the state because the protected industry is thus able to spend more and to pay higher wages to the poor workingmen.

Do not listen to this sophistry by vested interests. The acceptance of these arguments will build legal plunder into a whole system. In fact, this has already occurred. The present-day delusion is an attempt to enrich everyone at the expense of everyone else; to make plunder universal under the pretense of organizing it.

F. Bastiat 1850

What was that about "free Maket"?

The 2009–2011 Icelandic financial crisis protests, also referred to as the Kitchenware Revolution[1] or Icelandic Revolution (Icelandic: Íslenska Byltingin) occurred in the wake of the Icelandic financial crisis. There had been sporadic protests since October 2008 against the Icelandic government's handling of the financial crisis. The protests intensified on 20 January 2009 with thousands of people showing up to protest at the parliament (Althing) in Reykjavík.[2][3][4]

Protesters were calling for the resignation of government officials, and for new elections to be held.[5] The protests stopped for the most part with the resignation of the old right-wing government.[6] A new left-wing government was formed after elections in late April 2009. It was supportive of the protestors, and initiated a reform process that included the judicial prosecution before the Landsdómur of the former Prime Minister Geir Haarde.

Camp Quixote, Olympia, Washington State[2]
Camp Take Notice, Ann Arbor, Michigan[3]
Dignity Village, Portland, Oregon
New Jack City and Little Tijuana, Fresno, California[2]
Nickelsville, located in Seattle[2][4]
River Haven,[5]Ventura County, California[6][7]
Safe Ground, Sacramento, California[2]
Temporary Homeless Service Area (THSA), Ontario, California[2]
Tent City, Lakewood, New Jersey[8][9]
Tent City, Avenue A and 13th Street, Lubbock, Texas[10]
Tent City, New Jersey forest[11]
Tent City, banks of the American River, Sacramento, California[12][13][14][15][16][17][18][19][20]
Tent City 3, Seattle
Tent City 4, eastern King County outside of Seattle
The Point, where the Gunnison River and Colorado River meet[21]
The Village of Hope and Community of Hope, Fresno, California[2]
Transition Park, Camden, New Jersey
Tent City, Fayette County, Tennessee, [1]
Camp Unity , Kirkland, WA [2]

Tent cities have sprung up in and around at least 55 American cities - they represent the bleak reality of America's poverty crisis.

You just want to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic and promote a different group of plunderers.

Government just gets in the way, it lacks the brains and the creative vision to come up with ideas that will make money. If it dosen't make money
it's not a viable enterprise.

The government cant direct our technoligy... they are to dumb.

i think a sky full of bird chopping windmills looks like hell on earth.

i think a sky full of bird chopping windmills looks like hell on earth.

Guyman, it's the 21st century why are you addicted to the status quo of last century?

So what do you guys have against cars????? How you going to get to the crags, over 300 miles away, on your schedule?

Green energy is no better than anything else, but it is different. Which fits well with the thinking of people who believe everything that's been proven to work needs to be scrapped, and be replaced with something that sounds good.

So far, we've documented one dead golden eagle.

They will never produce more than a few thousand

Well this question seems to indicate that you think that there is only one way to do things.

What would be wrong with electric vehicles charged on solar energy? [\quote]

Nothing wrong with that, unless we must pay more.

Unchecked Global climate change will kill more birds than wind mills will. And the cost of dealing with rising sea waters will dwarf the cost of infrastructure re-investment

I bet they want Corvetts and Camaros and Mustangs and Hummers ...

want some documented murdered birds Gary,,
here ya go:

Guyman you come across as a spoiled teen of limited intellect and no vision.
That's OK, you can keep your eyes closed and your head in the sand the future will also benefit you in spite of yourself.

The future could be so awesome!

That's what I love about SuperTopo - when polemics fail name-calling is the option of first resort.

Whatever Dude....

"Based on our findings, there are no technological or economic barriers to converting the entire world to clean, renewable energy sources," said Jacobson, a professor of civil and environmental engineering. "It is a question of whether we have the societal and political will."