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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 7, 2013 - 03:58pm PT
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So is the Suomi (technically a Nazi gun since Finland was an ally).
Recently got it tuned by McClure and now it rocks those 72rd drums.
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crunch
Social climber
CO
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Any theories as to why the commies, who couldn't seem to compete with free enterprise, still made great guns?
The greatest battle rifle of all time was designed by a guy who never made a ruble off of the 57 million plus units made.
That IS an interesting question.
Communism seems fatally flawed as a form of government (if only because, as pointed out decades ago by Orwell), human weaknesses and prejudices override the theoretical fairness of the system).
But, by taking away the profit motive and the need for promotion, pretty appearance, and marketing, an inventor/designer/engineer can produce something that is simple, practical, effective, reliable.
Have to wonder what Ayn Rand would have thought of Kalashnikov, perhaps one of the best ever embodiments of her Howard Roark character?
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gonamok
climber
dont make me come over there
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I have owned 3 mosin nagant M91 rifles, restored one, sporterized one and used the third for parts. They are heavy but exceptionally robust and accurate, fun to shoot. I also have an M44 carbine, which is more of a novelty with the folding bayonet. Durability is a hallmark of russian made weapons.
Jim, when i shoot at targets i pretend its somebodys head and imagine the blood and bone flying when the bullet hits the paper and thats why i shoot, right? I think i hear your mama calling, you geek.
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Salamanizer
Trad climber
The land of Fruits & Nuts!
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Have to agree, the M91 Mosin Nagant is one of the most robust battle proven rifles ever made... Next to the AK of course.
It's nowhere near the best, but it's accurate, tough, and extremely cheap.
On of my favorite rifles to shoot. The action is smooth as stucco, trigger pull crisp as a Siberian snowstorm and finish work pretty as a boar but it has never, ever failed.
God I love the smell of Cosmoline in the morning.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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I gotta start getting the newspaper again, totally missed the Helena story--keep up with the penis talk, lads.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Ron. what do you think of the Professional Russian dude? If you still do not have a high speed connection you are missing out on some pretty funny videos...
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Hugh of Lincoln
climber
South Carolina
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Love the blue alien peeking out from under the stock in the picture Salimanzer posted. Essential equipment for your range bag.
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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that ain't no blue alien, its a drone flight controller. unless you mean a real alien,like a martian.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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During the Afgan's war with the USSR in the 1980s, I was in Pakistan and tried to get up to the border to get myself some Russian AK-47s. I had a way to get them back into the USA without anyone knowing.
Unfortunately my endeavor didn't play out as intended and I never got my commie guns.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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The thing that amazed me on the Mosin, is how much flame comes out of the end of it. But if you read any account of Stalingrad, the Russians were sniping at will, day and night with them. Curious how something that seeming lights up the sky like it's Christmas each shot: was so effectively utilized as a sniper rifle.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Read the book, enemys at the gate.
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Salamanizer
Trad climber
The land of Fruits & Nuts!
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Not all Mosin ammo produces a large muzzle flash. I have no idea about what they were using in WWII but alot of the ammo available today produces nothing more than what's normal for any rifle.
On that same note, the most common rounds available in the U.S. are Polish and Hungarian surplus, aside from commercial Russian rounds. And that stuff (typically comes in a 880rd spam can or 20rd paper pouches) is known to sometimes toss out a damn near solar flare. Most of it's from the early 70's.
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Salamanizer
Trad climber
The land of Fruits & Nuts!
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Mar 10, 2013 - 12:20am PT
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Speaking of Commie guns. Check out Russias new Ash-12 bullpup.
This thing fires a massive 12.7 X 55 (.50cal) round and holds 30 in the mag. Certainly gives you less options for cover.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Mar 10, 2013 - 12:28am PT
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Can't you boys just all go get a room?
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Salamanizer
Trad climber
The land of Fruits & Nuts!
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Mar 10, 2013 - 01:52am PT
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We have one, it's called the United States. Don't like being in the room with us, move to Iran or Cuba.
On a serious note, I don't understand why talking about stuff with people of similar interests bothers you people who don't share that interest so much. I'm a history buff, and nothing has influenced history so much as the gun. At least modern (past 500 years) history. So naturally I'm generally interested in the subject of historical armament. It has nothing to do with penis size, fanatical fascinations or psychotic illusions. It's just interesting, and fortunately for me, I live in a free country where my Natural Rights are protected by a Constitution giving me the God given (not Government given) right to Keep and Bare arms. So I get to own and shoot these historical weapons, just for fun. You also have the right to choose not to Keep and Bare arms if it suits you. If in that case, don't move to Switzerland.
If you don't like the Trip Reports, don't click on them. If you don't like the Politard threads, don't click on them. Likewise if you don't like the Gun threads, DONT CLICK ON THEM! No need to sit atop some moral high chair spewing your narcissistic opinions in some holier than thou pissfest. If you're on a gun debate thread, love to hear your opinion. But if you're just getting an opinionated political cheap shot in on some benign thread about an interesting subject, you seriously need to examine the content of your character.
Back to Commie Guns, which is an oxymoron because no Commie is allowed to have them.
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hillrat
Trad climber
reno, nv
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Mar 10, 2013 - 03:02am PT
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I had a Mosin M44. It went to the pawn shop, where it stayed. The fireball at the muzzle is all too familiar. Impressive that! Still have the ammo, like 300rds. Had it all set up with the scout scope. Removed the bayonet, as it shot much better without. MUCH better.
Interesting side note, at the last gun show there was a rough specimen of the older variety for a reasonable price. Too bad the dude at the table talked me out of it. I had picked up a french Berthier and was eyeballing it. Dude says "you don't want that".
Excuse me?
"You don't want that."
Really?
"Yeah, it's french."
I know what it is. I have one, but I have the carbine. (set down berthier, pick up mosin 91)
"It's a Berthier. You can't get ammo for 'em."
Uh, yes you can. From Norma. And Lee makes dies.
"Yeah, but you can't afford it! You don't want that."
You're right bud, I don't want anything off your table. (set down mosin, walk away)
Gun show loophole? Not a problem with this dude around!
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Salamanizer
Trad climber
The land of Fruits & Nuts!
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Mar 10, 2013 - 03:24am PT
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That's hilarious, never had anyone try and talk me out of buying a gun at a gun show.
Wanna sell that ammo? 30 bucks plus shipping???
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Mar 10, 2013 - 03:48am PT
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Do you guys talk climbing on the NRA site?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Mar 10, 2013 - 03:53am PT
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Philo writes:
"Do you guys talk climbing on the NRA site?"
They may not discuss climbing on pervert websites either, but that never stopped you from posting smut on here.
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