Has Ivan Greene responded publicly to the "chipping" vid?

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Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Mar 4, 2013 - 03:17pm PT
Just admit it, your church teaches some crazy ass sh#t and instructs followers to hide behind the shield of "official doctrine" when they get called out on it. It makes you and your clan of fellow funny underwear zombies look even more ridiculous when you pull this sh#t. At least scientologists have enough honor to defend their teachings.


Yes, the church agrees with you...that I'm honor challenged...

But in nearly three decades of attending LDS meetings, I've never heard Orson Pratt's planet ruling taught as verity or authentic. But you, with all your "honor" know better...
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Mar 4, 2013 - 03:19pm PT
Drat, too bad about missing out on Venus.

At least I'll be happy to know that part of my 10% I tithe is going to fight Gay Marriage legislation... millions and millions of dollars of it. Wahoo!

Mormons are cool. The church can eat a bag of dicks, a lot bigger bag of dicks than I am hoping Ivan Greene finds himself in front of. Because you see, that is what is important anyway. Perspective. Chipping boulders is shitty. Ignoring modern psychology and raising brainwashed children who think that being gay is something can be 'cured,' I dunno man that seems pretty bad.
OR

Trad climber
Mar 4, 2013 - 03:23pm PT
Back to that stunningly bad attempt at Hip-Hop: was anyone else immediately reminded of the scene in Boogie Nights where Dirk Diggler, adrift in a haze of ssef-delusional hubris, actually beleives he can write songs and perform music?

My primary reaction is one of embarassment and mortification for that poor lost soul. Was that really Ivan Greene? Holy mother of God, somebody who knowas and cares for him should sit him down and deliver a serious reality check. Damn, son. CB4 without one whiff of that movie's delectable irony.

Truth spoken here.
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Mar 4, 2013 - 03:29pm PT
John M

climber
Mar 4, 2013 - 03:31pm PT
At least I'll be happy to know that part of my 10% I tithe is going to fight Gay Marriage legislation... millions and millions of dollars of it. Wahoo!

Damn dude. You tithe millions and yet you still work at a gear shop.. How about joining my church? the rules are easy. Tithe to me regularly. Climb often, and you will become leader of Venus when you die. Or whatever planet that you want. Even Earth. I can make it happen. Just send that tithe.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Mar 4, 2013 - 03:31pm PT
Back to that stunningly bad attempt at Hip-Hop: was anyone else immediately reminded of the scene in Boogie Nights where Dirk Diggler, adrift in a haze of ssef-delusional hubris, actually beleives he can write songs and perform music?

My primary reaction is one of embarassment and mortification for that poor lost soul. Was that really Ivan Greene? Holy mother of God, somebody who knowas and cares for him should sit him down and deliver a serious reality check. Damn, son. CB4 without one whiff of that movie's delectable irony.

Truth spoken here.

Well I suppose that may be "truth" if the guy is hoping to get a recording contract, but seems just as likely that he likes belting out some tunes and making funny videos, like 99% of the stuff put on YouTube.
I think you guys are taking this a little too seriously.
(And to my untrained ear, he doesn't sound too bad, actually pretty good by YouTube standards. He's probably the equivalent of a 5.10 "rasta" or whatever that stuff is).
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Mar 4, 2013 - 03:45pm PT
It doesn't sound any dumber than any other religion. Hey, where is this LSD church, anyway?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 4, 2013 - 03:50pm PT
I've never heard Orson Pratt's planet ruling taught as verity or authentic.

Nice qualifiers. You would be way more credible if you could HONESTLY bring yourselves to say...

"I've never heard Orson Pratt's planet ruling taught."

Or maybe even...

"I've never heard Orson Pratt's planet ruling taught by church leaders."

But you don't. You qualify your statements, as if anyone gives a sh#t what titles your leaders choose to bestow on your various fairy tales.

You send your little 19 year old "elders" to teach that sh#t... and then deny that it is a teaching. It is absurd... but you know that... and have no problem with it... which is the only reason you can stomach 3 decades of ridiculous fairy tales and "brain" washing.

But you, with all your "honor" know better...

Honor has nothing to do with it.




Don, it has its pluses and negatives. Big plus is the women are hot... a negative is they don't even let you play with their boobs and literally turn into cows when they start popping out pups. Another plus is they are all at church on Sunday, so the crags are full of heathens.
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Mar 4, 2013 - 03:57pm PT

You send your little 19 year old "elders" to teach that

No, LDS missionaries are NOT instructed to teach that members may rule over planets. If they do they will likely be sent home or given probationary status.

You're reading tracts from "the Godmakers" or other wild eyed anti-mormon propaganda...
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 4, 2013 - 03:59pm PT
Never read that or even heard of it.

I don't read... I get all my information from divine inspiration. See, I have these stones that I put into this hat here...
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Mar 4, 2013 - 04:17pm PT
From the lds.org official church website:

Do Latter-day Saints believe that they will “get their own planet”?


No. This idea is not taught in Latter-day Saint scripture, nor is it a doctrine of the Church. This misunderstanding stems from speculative comments unreflective of scriptural doctrine. Mormons believe that we are all sons and daughters of God and that all of us have the potential to grow during and after this life to become like our Heavenly Father (see Romans 8:16-17). The Church does not and has never purported to fully understand the specifics of Christ’s statement that “in my Father’s house are many mansions” (John 14:2).


...but if I were a cynic...I suppose I would place confidence in those little paperback volumes the antis leave on my doorstep in the dark of night.


mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 4, 2013 - 04:33pm PT
Oh, well then it is official... as official as the Vatican NOT hiding child molesters or the US not torturing.

Still haven't seen you type... "I've never heard Orson Pratt's planet ruling taught by a church leader."


Doest thou bosom burn upon preponderance of ruling thine own kingdom Jennie?

"But, behold, I say unto you, that you must study it out in your mind; then you must ask me if it be right, and if it is right I will cause that your bosom shall burn within you; therefore, you shall feel that it is right"
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Mar 4, 2013 - 04:45pm PT
Still haven't seen you type... "I've never heard Orson Pratt's planet ruling taught by a church leader."


I've never heard it taught by eminent or notable church authorities. I've heard it discussed by stock, unexalted members on occasion.

Again, people are allowed their opinion...as you are allowed yours. My neighbor is free to express his view and I'm free to disagree.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 4, 2013 - 04:55pm PT
I've never heard it taught by eminent or notable church authorities. I've heard it discussed by stock, unexalted members on occasion.

nice... as in pathetic.

I've heard it discussed by stake presidents, bishops, and missionaries.
That is NOT an opinion, that is a FACT.
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Mar 4, 2013 - 04:58pm PT
Relax dude.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 4, 2013 - 04:59pm PT
Just because I don't like truth distorters doesn't mean I'm not relaxed. I don't even have pants on!
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Mar 4, 2013 - 05:04pm PT
And where would you hear bishops and stake presidents teaching Mr Pratt's doctrine, Wes? I doubt the U invites local religious leaders to lecture geology majors in the Sutton building.

They aren't allowed to teach such doctrine in church...if they DO agree with Pratt where exactly have you heard them express these opinions?
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Mar 4, 2013 - 05:15pm PT
Wes, You and Jennie need to get a room.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 4, 2013 - 05:31pm PT
They aren't allowed to teach such doctrine in church...

Pratt taught that at BYU. I know, not officially a church, but don't kid yourself... you know as well as I do...

... if they DO agree with Pratt where exactly have you heard them express these opinions?

I invited some missionaries in for coffee one morning. They didn't have any. I brought up visiting other planets and all the nice beings I met through my experimentation with astral projection and Shamanic journeys. They said something along the lines of "that's interesting! You know.. blah blah blah..." I then asked them "if LSD is so bad, why does God let you visit such nice beings while tripping?" They left shortly after.

Growing up SURROUNDED by morons I've heard it countless times. Scout camps. Dinner conversations. Death bed nonsense. From common folks as well as higher ups. I haven't read a single book about morons, other than TBOM itself. Why would I? You are worse than a mobster pretending they don't order hits.


I'd totally get a room with Jennie. I haven't had a 5 hour make out session with no touching for over 20 years. Immediate satisfaction from the gf is great... but, I like getting totally worked on projects I'll never send too. And from her profile pic I assume she hasn't had kids and is still under 200 lbs.
S.Leeper

Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
Mar 4, 2013 - 05:45pm PT
Ivan would be PISSED if he saw his post turn into a mormon throw -down.
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