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couchmaster

climber
pdx
Mar 4, 2013 - 12:45pm PT
Ahhahhha! But the Mormons built a beautiful Tabernacle with their chipped rocks AND they owned them outright before they touched them with the pneumatic chisel AND (here's the best part) ...............


wait fer it.....

...THEY STILL, TO THIS VERY DAY, LET US CLIMBERS CLIMB ON THEM!!! (Can you say "Little Cottonwood Canyon". Bless their souls and may they all go to heaven - they deserve our thanks! (and I am not a mormon but really appreciate their largess in this thing)
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Mar 4, 2013 - 01:07pm PT
Or you can read the Book of Mormon, which is WAY more accurate. You even get your own planet!


No you DON'T get your own planet, Brother Davis!

Sorry, nothing in Book of Mormon about owning planets, asteroids, countries, or even your own van.

We've been over this before. The planet owning business was speculation on the part of Orson Pratt in the nineteenth century. It's NEVER been doctrine and teaching the tenet in church is prohibited.

You and Weston are going to find yourselves in an excommunication tribunal if you insist on preaching such dogma, sir.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Mar 4, 2013 - 01:17pm PT
Not even your own Van?
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Mar 4, 2013 - 01:21pm PT
lol. Mormon vans always have free candy.
Matt

Trad climber
it's all turtles, all the way dooowwwwwnn!!!!!
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 4, 2013 - 01:21pm PT
It's NEVER been doctrine and teaching the tenet in church is prohibited.


And what is allowed or prohibited TODAY is all we should look at, nothing more to see here, move along...
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 4, 2013 - 01:30pm PT
It's NEVER been doctrine and teaching the tenet in church is prohibited.

Is teaching things that WERE past doctrine prohibited? Like plural marriage and the fact that blacks inherited the curse of Caine? I guess if you are going to believe in such fairy tales it isn't that hard to justify changing your beliefs whenever you feel like it. Then you can pull the "official doctrine" card whenever you get backed into a corner.

Or maybe morons have redefined the meaning of "doctrine?" I will stick with M-W for my definitions:

doctrine:
a : something that is taught

I'd say an official member of the Quorum of 12 Apostles (or governing body of the LDS church) teaching something qualifies it as doctrine... even if he was excommunicated and reinstated after Brigham Young tried to nail one of his wives.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Mar 4, 2013 - 01:33pm PT

1876:
"All those who are counted worthy to be exalted and to become Gods, even the sons of God, will go forth and have earths and worlds like those who framed this and millions on millions of others

Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 18:259, October 8, 1876

"Then will they become Gods...they will never cease to increase and to multiply, worlds without end. When they receive their crowns, their dominions, they then will be prepared to frame earths like unto ours and to people them in the same manner as we have been brought forth by our parents, by our Father and God”

Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 17:143

"As our Father and God begat us, sons and daughters, so will we rise immortal, males and females, and beget children, and, in our turn, form and create worlds, and send forth our spirit children to inherit those worlds, the same as we were sent here, and thus will the works of God continue, and not only God himself, and His Son Jesus Christ have the power of endless lives, but all of His redeemed offspring."

Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses 14:242

1894:

"...we shall sit upon thrones, governing and controlling our posterity from eternity to eternity, and increasing eternally"

Lorenzo Snow, Millennial Star 56:772, October 5, 1894

1956:

"...A man and his wife when glorified will have spirit children who eventually will go on an earth like this one we are on and pass through the same kind of experiences, being subject to mortal conditions, and if faithful, then they also will receive the fullness of exaltation and partake of the same blessings."

Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation 2:48

2001:

"They will receive everything our Father in Heaven has and will become like Him. They will even be able to have spirit children and make new worlds for them to live on, and do all the things our Father in Heaven has done."

Gospel Fundamentals [2001], 201

Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Mar 4, 2013 - 01:43pm PT
I'd say an official member of the Quorum of 12 Apostles (or governing body of the LDS church) teaching something qualifies it as doctrine...


No, the speculations of apostles don't have the sanction of doctrine.

Even precepts of the church president must have approbation of the church councils.

Yes, you can speculate, muse and theorize on your own time...but teaching, in church, the gospel according to Orson Pratt, Wes Christensen or GDavis is verboten.

Do you really want a planet, Wes? Does Matt really want the thread hijacked?

Ruling planets is the realm of conjecture and opinion, not doctrine.
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Mar 4, 2013 - 01:53pm PT
No planets?! Damnit, that was the only thing Mos had going for them over christianity.

What about Kolob?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolob#cite_note-53
dave

climber
Earth
Mar 4, 2013 - 01:57pm PT
And to think a chip is worse than 17,000 bolts hanging off the ORG walls.

17,000? Psh... there's at least 17,243 and that number is growing daily thankfully ;)
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 4, 2013 - 02:02pm PT
doctrine:
a : something that is taught

So you are redefining it... or at least using the "official" adjective to differentiate between the things THE CHURCH LEADERS tell their followers and the things that make them look like scientologists.

Only one planet I'd be happy on... and it ain't even a planet.
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Mar 4, 2013 - 02:04pm PT
What about Kolob?



The star Kolob is named in the Book of Abraham.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 4, 2013 - 02:05pm PT
And taken to the NEXT LEVEL by the morons.
locker

Social climber
FukUville
Mar 4, 2013 - 02:09pm PT


"What about Kolob?"...

That creepy little dude in the Lord of the Ring???...

Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Mar 4, 2013 - 02:23pm PT
doctrine:
a : something that is taught

So you are redefining it... or at least using the "official" adjective to differentiate between the things THE CHURCH LEADERS tell their followers and the things that make them look like scientologists.


If the beliefs and speculations of all government officials automatically became law, we would inherit chaos.

If all meditations and speculations of church officials became official church doctrine, do you think a church would have homogeneity of tenets?

Yes, you can teach your own musings and theory at private get togethers. But doctine is taught in church. Try attending a Mormon chapel for six months, Wes. It's unlikely you'll hear any lessons or instructions about "ruling over planets".
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 4, 2013 - 02:38pm PT
If the beliefs and speculations of all government officials automatically became law

Doctrine does not equal law. This has nothing to do with beliefs and speculations of government officials... who, by the way, are elected by the governed and not chosen by divine inspiration.

doctrine:
a : something that is taught

law:
a: a binding custom or practice of a community : a rule of conduct or action prescribed or formally recognized as binding or enforced by a controlling authority


Just admit it, your church teaches some crazy ass sh#t and instructs followers to hide behind the shield of "official doctrine" when they get called out on it. It makes you and your clan of fellow funny underwear zombies look even more ridiculous when you pull this sh#t. At least scientologists have enough honor to defend their teachings.
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Mar 4, 2013 - 02:41pm PT
It's not a teaching...it qualifies as folklore.

And to you... a sensationalistic caricature of Mormon beliefs to
expound your one-sided view of the faith.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 4, 2013 - 02:42pm PT
it qualifies as folklore.

As does all religion, especially one that has changed as much as the moron religion has in its brief history.

That sh#t was taught by the LEADERS of your church for Christ's sake. Not once, not twice... not mumbled over a cup of coffee or a beer... it was TAUGHT at Brigham Young University... by LEADERS of YOUR CHURCH.


And sure, I'll stop bashing morons in general... as soon as they own up to their DOCTRINE (teachings)...

...and stop sending 19 year old kids with the title "elder" to brainwash people.
locker

Social climber
FukUville
Mar 4, 2013 - 02:42pm PT


LOL!!!...

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 4, 2013 - 02:53pm PT
Ron, I don't chip boulders and I don't accuse you of the equally repulsive act of necrophilizing your dead animals.

Stop being a DICK.
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