Why I've quit participating on S-T. Probably others, too.

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Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Feb 5, 2013 - 05:19am PT
For the record, I do not share brokedown's conservative values. We do have very civilized disagreements however.

And I'm sure that not every gay is predatory. It also seems pretty clear from the Catholic Church example that hidden gays in positions of authority are more likely to abuse their power than those out of the closet. I'm also pretty sure there already are gay scout masters, they're just not recognized as such. I therefore think the sooner all gays are out and equal the better.

Of course as a woman who has traveled around the world alone several times over, I could tell you all a thing or two about predatory heterosexual males. And I've had run ins with those a lot more frequently than with lesbians. LOL

The fact is nobody's children are safe in any venue in North America anymore. Kids get kidnapped off of school busses and taken to underground bomb shelters by total strangers, they get kidnapped and held as sex slaves in some pervert's basement or back yard, they get gunned down in their classrooms, and so far as I know those have all been done by heterosexual males.

As far as brokedown resorting to name calling, but that's his responsibilty not mine.
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Feb 5, 2013 - 07:16am PT
And I'm sure that not every gay is predatory.

Wow, that's rather faintly stated, isn't it.
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Feb 5, 2013 - 07:43am PT
The assumption behind the opposition to gay scout leaders is 1) irrational bias often based on religion 2) a somewhat understandable bias given what's happened in the Catholic Church.

I will state again, the problem in the Catholic church was hidden gay pedophiles whom everyone trusted and the persistent attempt over many years to cover it all up. If gays are out in the open, those conditions are eliminated and the same standards apply to them as anyone else. In time hopefully, people will understand the difference between gay which is a biological condition of birth and gay pedophiles which is a lifestyle choice based on stunted psychological development.

Pedophiles can not be eliminated but our children can be educated to report them where ever encountered and not to believe that any authority is above such reporting or that such encounters are ever the child's fault.

Hopefully that's clear enough?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 5, 2013 - 10:22am PT
Brokedown...I hear what you are saying about the PC drift but it's all good and part of the mudslingin....Maybe someone will post some Andrew Dice poetry and balance out the Kumbaya factor...? RJ
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Feb 5, 2013 - 10:36am PT
The word honor is probably the second most cheapened word in America....just behind patriotisim.


Jim I agree, but I would add "Hero" to the beginning of that list.


I thought you were going to go climbing more.....
Fish Finder

Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
Feb 5, 2013 - 10:41am PT
I think " amazing " is the most cheapened word.

You are amazing,

This thread is amazing

Supertopo is amazing

Boobs are amazing

People leaving and stating so or making a huff is amazing

We are all amazing

What an amazing day.

YUK!

Edit: now parting the red sea, that was amazing.
vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv that is funny Ron!
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Feb 5, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
Yeah, but it was only a traverse.
Gary

Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
Feb 5, 2013 - 01:30pm PT
And I'm sure that not every gay is predatory. It also seems pretty clear from the Catholic Church example that hidden gays in positions of authority are more likely to abuse their power than those out of the closet. I'm also pretty sure there already are gay scout masters, they're just not recognized as such. I therefore think the sooner all gays are out and equal the better.

Since some people seem confused on the issue, gay does not equal pedophile.
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Feb 5, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
Exactly my point. Maybe if our society could accept gays, we would begin to see the difference. And let us not forget that Jerry Sandusky of Penn State was not apparently gay which is one of the reasons probably no body suspected him to be a pedophile of young boys. An interesting question is if he worked in a girl's boarding school would young girls have been his victims?
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Feb 5, 2013 - 02:00pm PT
And for those of you who don't like to use the word honor except presumably in a military context, how about personal integrity instead?
Owlman

Social climber
Bozeman
Feb 5, 2013 - 03:09pm PT
Oh no, you mean the Boobs link is toast.

I'm leaving too.

bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Feb 5, 2013 - 04:48pm PT
i have nothing to say right now...me got the damn flu....

I'll slander later.
nutjob

Sport climber
Almost to Hollywood, Baby!
Feb 5, 2013 - 06:33pm PT
Personal integrity and honor matter to me.

I think how people conduct themselves on Supertopo is an honest reflection of their needs and wants, who they really are, stripped of the fears associated with an in-person confrontation. In other words, people present themselves how they want to be in the world, without regard for the fear of getting an @ss-beating for saying or being offensive to others. Actually, this is more true of anonymous folks than widely known real name posters.

While this is generally a bad thing according to my value system, there are some good and therapeutic things about it. It's a good halfway house of sorts for folks learning to deal with confrontation in a healthy way. Some people practice "being a dick" here so they can get more comfortable with confrontations in real life. Being able to cope with a confrontation is a first step to being able to have rational thoughts and be considerate amidst a confrontation. It's a way of letting out emotional angst without hurting the "real" people around you in "real" life. I think I did that for a short bit around 2005.

Maybe this gets close to the differential resentment that Supertopo seems to bear for negative participants who are climbers vs. non-climbers.

We don't want to be the cesspool outlet of negative emotions for others who have nothing invested in us or what we care about. But real people sometimes express unpleasant negative stuff, and if it balances over time with the good stuff, we're more tolerant.


So the instinct to "protect the tribe" and shun negative non-climbers is not really an expression of parochialism, but more a community taking a stand against net negative folks who come with a calculated lack of investment to make a safe haven for dumping sh!t.

I would hope that a forum of basket-weavers would be resentful if I joined just because I don't really give a damn about basket weaving and it was a safe place for me to treat people poorly, spoiling relationships that I don't care about.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Feb 5, 2013 - 06:38pm PT
Hey Nutjob, stop trying to sound "smart", and just say something like, "some people can be as#@&%es".....

Uses fewer words, and I believe, gets the same point across.

Flu sucks....
nutjob

Sport climber
Almost to Hollywood, Baby!
Feb 5, 2013 - 06:40pm PT
Flu probably blows more than sucks!

Maybe I have a problem with people in real life being patient enough to cope with my long-winded diatribes, but THERE IS NOTHING YOU ALL CAN DO TO STOP ME FROM WRITING IT HERE. Mua ha ha ha.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Feb 5, 2013 - 07:02pm PT
Good point, Nutjob. I just thought you coulda been less wordy and made the same point.

Hehe...
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