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donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Apr 13, 2019 - 07:48pm PT
Reasons for posting my physical progress:

A friend of mine did not understand the posts that have to do with what grade I am climbing at this day or that day. The reason why I post that kind of information is because the chronic guys on the antibiotics just lay on the floor all day, they can do nothing. But to the point, I think it is important to know where I am physically on some kind of scale, that is the reason why we observe lab rats. So far I am 100%, except for my middle finger hurt for 3/4 of the day and I am coming out of a slight brain fog. I went to the gym and did three 5.10s, and felt better after drinking more water and doing the breathing exercises.

If I had a real problem it would be that I can not get on my feet and my joints were all swollen and my brain did not work, same as it did before.

I know what bad is. I am not there today and I can only get better as time goes on. The real problem and fear I have now is that how am I supposed to know when I have killed all the bugs? If I have not killed them all and stop it takes 10 days to get back to normal and then I suppose another week or two to lock it in.

And, I took the big blood test, I have a lot of nickel and aluminum, so that lab I mentioned before prescribed a lot of pills that I had slacked off on. Now I am taking them again seeing the necessity of foremost optimizing my immune system.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Apr 13, 2019 - 11:45pm PT
The Guy Has A Book!

The guy is a complete charlatan. Take Fear's advice above.

And, I took the big blood test...

Who had you take a big blood test?
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Apr 14, 2019 - 12:02pm PT
I know what bad is. I am not there today and I can only get better as time goes on. The real problem and fear I have now is that how am I supposed to know when I have killed all the bugs? If I have not killed them all and stop it takes 10 days to get back to normal and then I suppose another week or two to lock it in.

The issue is getting a better handle on exactly where all your problems might arise from. It very well could be Lyme or Lyme in conjunction with 5 other pathogens and an auto-immune condition.

We threw antibiotics against the wall too for 2 years before finding the right neurologist in Orange, CT.

Diagnosing something like this is a long extensive process based on a lot of repeated blood work and symptomatic analysis. It's an iterative thing as there is likely no single thing you can do to alleviate your condition. So if the Lyme literate doctor thinks Lyme is the primary issue then you try antibiotic X for 4 weeks and reassess... One known thing at a time.

Anyone who says they can fix you in 1-2 visits is probably FOS...

formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Apr 14, 2019 - 01:00pm PT
Finding a doctor to answer a questions was impossible on a Friday night, so over the weekend I decided to do it myself. All those guys wanted from me was my money. Looking back I suppose I could have tried that antibiotics and would suggest them to people when they first get Lyme. But those guys what to see blood tests to find out if you have it, when in the only sure way to tell is by symptoms.

Aren't they supposed to start one on antibiotics immediately, upon Lyme symptoms/bulls rash/fact of tick bite being there, without blood tests?
Lyme takes quite a while for antibodies to show up in the blood.
I'll be doing long camping in possible Lyme area this summer, will make sure to have 2-week doxycycline supply on hand.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Apr 15, 2019 - 05:55am PT
The best precaution is to not get bitten, really. If you do find a tick, any tick, embedded, an immediate start of of 30 days of doxy is my routine. Rash or no rash.. doesn't matter. There are also many diseases that ticks carry that doxy will not help with so be warned.

Beware the significant effects of sunlight toxicity on your skin when taking doxy past a week or so. Sunscreen does nothing.

formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Apr 15, 2019 - 02:32pm PT
The best precaution is to not get bitten, really. If you do find a tick, any tick, embedded, an immediate start of of 30 days of doxy is my routine. Rash or no rash.. doesn't matter. There are also many diseases that ticks carry that doxy will not help with so be warned.

30 days - isn't 14-21 enough?
Regarding other infections...aside from very rare ones - doxycycline is supposed to work against Anaplasmosis. Babesiosis usually requires either no treatment, my understanding, or clindamycin. What else is there that isn't a freak occurence in Lyme areas? Erlichiosis and Rocky Mountain Spotted fever aren't co-endemic.
https://www.cdc.gov/media/dpk/diseases-and-conditions/lyme-disease/images/distribution-of-key-tickborne-diseases-lg.jpg
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Apr 15, 2019 - 02:45pm PT
21 might be enough. 7 might also be enough. It might also be just enough to drive a few spirochetes into their alternate forms... to fester.

The thing is once you've seen someone suffering with truly entrenched Lyme you'll question if 30 is enough.

Don't believe a thing the CDC or IDSA says.

Invest heavily in Permethrin sprays and impregnated clothing. That stuff works wonders. DEET for exposed skin re-applied liberally.
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Apr 15, 2019 - 03:01pm PT
21 might be enough. 7 might also be enough. It might also be just enough to drive a few spirochetes into their alternate forms... to fester.

The thing is once you've seen someone suffering with truly entrenched Lyme you'll question if 30 is enough.

Don't believe a thing the CDC or IDSA says.

Invest heavily in Permethrin sprays and impregnated clothing. That stuff works wonders. DEET for exposed skin re-applied liberally.

I can't use Permethrin or DEET...can't use synthetic pesticides and wouldn't want anyway.

"truly entrenched Lyme" I guess requires one not to take antibiotics early on...then, months of antibiotics might be needed, but I'm talking only about initial stage of possible Lyme shortly after a bite here. Need to buy more antibiotics to carry traveling.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Apr 23, 2019 - 09:41pm PT
"Who had you take a big blood test?"

I did the blood and hair sample test and it showed a lot of nickel and aluminum. I went to a chiropractor for that. She was part of a program where they do a more comprehensive testing for 1/3 the price, the Science Based Nutrition program. Then I had the hair done by someone else, they are in this thread already.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Apr 23, 2019 - 10:05pm PT
"The best precaution is to not get bitten, really. If you do find a tick, any tick, embedded, an immediate start of of 30 days of doxy is my routine. Rash or no rash.. doesn't matter. There are also many diseases that ticks carry that doxy will not help with so be warned."

If I find a tick on myself tomorrow morning I would do zero, zilch, zip, nil, nought, nothing. Well maybe not nothing altogether, I suppose I would need to remove the tick.

Frank Tkac says he gets bit all the time, he doesn't care either.

Seriously though, when you get to the point where I'm at you just don't care anymore about ticks. That's not to say that I would not take serious precautions. A second tick would present new challenges. But I suspect at this point I am ready for anything and in the near future I think my immune system will be even stronger.

And if my immune system was weak there is stuff out there stronger then what I take now.

Perhaps there is a purpose in Lyme, in the long run I know it will only help me. If it was not for Lyme I would have never found all the weaknesses in my immune system now, and that would have been worse.


healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Apr 24, 2019 - 12:06am PT
If it was not for Lyme I would have never found all the weaknesses in my immune system now, and that would have been worse.

Total rubbish. The nutrition/longevity/supplement business is made up of whole classes of fraudulent businesses and their output is complete garbage. The point of a real blood workup isn't to find out your metals chemistry (or any other such irrelevant nonsense), but rather to try and get a grip on your pathogen load, immune system response, and guide the appropriate treatment of an infectious disease. You really need to consider waking up and bailing on all this alt.quackery and get some real medical attention from someone who knows what the f*#k they and you are attempting to deal with.
perswig

climber
Apr 24, 2019 - 03:32am PT
Enough with the crazy talk, healyje!

Dale
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Apr 24, 2019 - 10:58pm PT
Three-antibiotic cocktail clears 'persister' Lyme bacteria in mouse study
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Apr 25, 2019 - 06:21am PT
I have to cut back on the Japanese Knotweed and Oregano I have.

It's too strong.

I'm getting high now, feels like marijuana and I'm not joking. Yesterday I had to go to bed.

Not sure which one is doing it, but I suppose this is a good sign. The stuff I was using before was old.

I do not think I have any symptoms this week, although I'm not sure. I have been somewhat slowed but its picking up now. Last time I was running around like the energizer bunny.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Apr 25, 2019 - 06:30am PT
"The nutrition/longevity/supplement business is made up of whole classes of fraudulent businesses and their output is complete garbage."

I have one word for you Healyje, "chelation", but if that does't convince you then I would say "theasle", and if that does not work you need to start smoking pot until you can't type anymore.

Natural/Holistic doctors are the true healers. western medicine's Biomedical model doesn't actually keep patients well, nor improve their health beyond baseline.

Results from a little bit too much Chelation
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Apr 25, 2019 - 01:50pm PT
There are SOME cases where chelation therapy - WHEN USED IN COMBINATION WITH SOME ANTIBIOTICS - appear to improve the efficacy of the antibiotics. Chelation therapy by itself, however, is WORTHLESS for combatting infectious diseases.

Chelation therapy is an effective treatment for a buildup of heavy metals. But thereís no evidence that heavy metals contribute to Lyme disease, and chelation therapy wonít treat the underlying infection.

A 2017 study evaluated the use of 34 essential oils to kill B. burgdorferi bacteria in a laboratory setting. Cinnamon bark, clove bud, and oregano essential oils killed the bacteria without any regrowth. These results are promising, but thereís no evidence that they work in humans with Lyme disease. Essential oils are used in aromatherapy, where the fragrant oils are inhaled through a diffuser or diluted in a carrier oil and applied topically. Itís not safe to ingest essential oils, especially in the quantities that you would likely need to treat Lyme disease.

It's your life, but I strongly suggest you dump the alt.quackery...
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Apr 27, 2019 - 06:46am PT
Chelation is worthless because Mercury, Nickel, Aluminum lead and clogged arteries don't effect the strength of your immune system. (Using Chelation which will clean out the blood vesicles to effectively eliminate heart attack and stroke is pointless. Cardiovascular Drug Therapy Second Edition)

Fortunately, Medical Doctors who understand the value of Pharmaceuticals can prescribe cures for all known diseases.

In the past they have shut down clinics and hospitals that have cured cancer and other diseases so as to naturally keep themselves in Business. There have been many such kinds of injustices as this happen in the past however, such unnecessarily removing women's body parts or administering inhumane treatments to people with special needs. And of course there were those special tests done to these people as well as others that no one was aware of until today. The atrocities are countless. But they do not do that now, nothing can be proven in that regard today, it is all conspiracy theorists propagated by quacks. See quackwatch.com.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Apr 27, 2019 - 11:28pm PT
...that have cured cancer...

No one has cured cancer. In fact, just saying the words "cured cancer" means you don't even know what cancer is. Cancer has been excised and variously forced into remission and dropped to undetectable levels, but I personally wouldn't use the word 'cured' for that. Cancer isn't a monolithic thing - every cancer is different and every person's cancer is a unique genomic instance and expression of a given category of cancer.

Not making any difference here so bowing out.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Apr 28, 2019 - 01:45pm PT
I suppose that's correct. Everyone has cancer if cancer is old cells that hang around too long.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpAa4TWjHQ4
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
May 14, 2019 - 04:36pm PT
I went to Dr. Donald Liebell in Virginia Beach, cost me 600 to fly there and back, and he told me that he is able to tell when I don't have the bugs, and that I have them now. He said it's an easy job.

In the mean time I suppose I am okay these days. I take the junk twice a day, Japanese Knotweed and Oregano from Greece, I use a food grinder. The update there is I ordered some roots from Healing Spirits, I did not know they sold roots. The roots are full of juice and I have been using dry powder, so this is going to be a game changer. For the roots I am going to make a tincture and the finer powder I also ordered I am going to use that instead of the chipped parts.

So, there's an upgrade on the powder, tincture, and the oregano that I got from a Greece source now. I bought 10 pound of that oregano.

Healing Spirits says if I take the right dose it should take a year to kill them all, but I do not keep up with it like I should because I am lazy, stupid or both.
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