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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jan 27, 2013 - 10:51pm PT
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It's not just Fresno, Kenny.
In L.A., your kid has a better chance of not graduating than he does of getting a diploma.
In Compton, only three percent of the kids can pass a math test. Three percent! That means ninety-seven percent of Compton students can't even express what three percent means.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Jan 27, 2013 - 11:01pm PT
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In L.A., your kid has a better chance of not graduating than he does of getting a diploma That's a problem. I don't know where you would even start in a city like Compton. where I live my wife volunteers three day's a week to help out the teachers and kid's we don't just bail out, homeschool our kids and then talk about how great they're doing. It would be nice if they could all do great.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jan 27, 2013 - 11:13pm PT
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I would start with mandatory homeschool.
Shut the schools in Los Angeles down, and send the textbooks, instructional DVDs, etc. home with the kids and let the parents handle it.
Maybe people will think twice before spawning kids they are incapable of raising properly ( yes, education is just as important to raising a kid as food and shelter is ).
Or, do like they do at West Point. Your education there is on the house - IF you graduate. If a cadet flunks out of West Point, he is on the hook for the cost of trying to educate him. We should do that with high school students as well. THAT would light a fire under the asses of the parents to get their kids to school and to follow up on their assaignments.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Jan 27, 2013 - 11:42pm PT
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kennyt, if you cannot handle the answers someone gives that are VERY on topic, Supertopo climbers forum, On topic would be, I just climbed with my new Totem cams and they are badass!! you should try some.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Jan 27, 2013 - 11:51pm PT
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If the public school system sucks, is the answer to abandon the public school system? That's what I'm seeing. Seems crazy were all paying into this system get involved and let's try and get are moneys worth.
What would happen if the home schooler parents / teachers dedicated their time and skills to the public school - with their kids in it?
great point.
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skywalker
climber
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Jan 27, 2013 - 11:59pm PT
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That's what I'm seeing. Seems crazy were all paying into this system get involved and let's try and get are moneys worth.
How many grammatical errors do you see?
S?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jan 28, 2013 - 12:00am PT
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For some folks, "their moneys worth" is considered paid in full by the baby-sitting services the schools provide. They don't expect an education.
EDIT:
If I make any grammatical errors, please feel free to correct me. I'm always learning!
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Jan 28, 2013 - 12:10am PT
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How many grammatical errors do you see? Maybe that's why I don't homeschool. Definately not because I'm afraid of the Boogieman. What's your point?
EDIT: Sh#t I've been out of school for 30 some years I just pay someone to write a letter for me when it matters You looking for a job? LOL
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Jan 28, 2013 - 12:42am PT
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If I make any grammatical errors, please feel free to correct me. I'm always learning!
No sh#t, I wish he would pop in a little more often and help me out. I'm a 48 year old gen. contractor do you think it's to late?
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skywalker
climber
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Jan 28, 2013 - 12:43am PT
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Jeeze Kenny,
I meant no offense. I really mean it by saying sorry. My point was that what are we asking of our schools?
My dad always corrected me when I said "me and my friend" he said "no, My friend and I". I didn't do "good" I did "well". He was a teacher and he was very strong in correcting me. Now one can argue the origin of that particular way of speaking I just felt that, well, there was a leaning toward getting after teachers.
Public education is what it is and teachers are at the bottom.
Sorry for making you feel the way you did.
S
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Jan 28, 2013 - 01:07am PT
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No sweat.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jan 28, 2013 - 01:10am PT
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My sixth grade teacher, Mr Bodell, would correct us on the "me and Jeff" type screw-up by saying "Mean Jeff? I know Jeff. He isn't mean".
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
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Jan 29, 2013 - 09:53pm PT
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If you homeschool, I hope your home curriculum would reinforce the themes evinced in this outstanding letter to our President.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/zack-kopplin/science-funding-obama_b_2545952.html
"To make this second giant leap possible, the culture surrounding science in America must change."
Those who follow the "public understanding of science" movement in the country - esp in the bible belt - will recognize Zack Kopplin as a rising star in the pro-evolution, pro-science efforts there.
Mr. President, please call for a SECOND giant leap for humanity.
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"...the purpose of education is not to validate ignorance, but to overcome it."
http://bigthink.com/ideas/49178
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Jan 30, 2013 - 06:50am PT
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homeschooled children--as a whole--score higher on standardized tests, read above grade level, demonstrate stronger critical thinking skills (which are NOT part of standardized tests), and are emotionally more mature and respond better to criticism...what's not to love?
many communities are considering changing the rules to allow homeschooled kid to participate in school sports--the best argument is that homeschool parents pay the same taxes and their kids should be able to participate...there are issues to consider, and i do believe the states should develop statewide guidelines for the local districts--keep the feds out of it!
btw, homeschooled kids spend far less time actually doing school work...an average of 2.5 hours/day as opposed to 7-8 hours/day for public schools
homeschoolers in virginia actually started a private college (patrick henry college) that spanked harvard in a national debate competition in 2010
this from your friendly neighborhood public school teacher
ps: i think most people would be surprised to learn how many public school teachers send their kids to private schools...there can be no more significant criticism of our public education system
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Soulsurfer
Trad climber
San Diego, Ca
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Jan 30, 2013 - 04:49pm PT
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We have lots of different reasons why we home school. [photo[photoid=287204]id=287203]
What we enjoy is being able to take a week off and head out and go camping every month or so. We usually head to Joshua tree, red rocks, southern Az or Bishop area. The nice thing is we enjoy time together unplugged that would be hard to do if the kids went to public school. I do pretty well as a grid operator for the power company so one income is more than fine. But we do have many friends who have 1 vehicle and barely make it day to day and still home school.
Honestly I can't say my kids are the brightest or most well mannered. My hope for them is they will follow their passions and enjoy life and serve others. We have plenty of friends who have their children in public school and we love them dearly and they are great. For us this just works that's all. I'm not all that worried about kids from china out doing my kids either. They will find their place in life.
Peace
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micronut
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 30, 2013 - 05:15pm PT
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Nice stuff Soulsurfer. We're heading to JTree tomorrow for a full on family fun fest. Stay away from Indian Cove if you don't like kids! Its gonna be a dog and pony show. We have six ropes, 200 feet of webbing and 27 rock shoes. Shoes, not pairs. Somebody's always missing one.
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micronut
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 30, 2013 - 05:45pm PT
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Dave,
That sounds super cool. I'd love more details. I actually don't know JTree too well. We've stayed at Ryan or Hidden Valley when staying as "climbers." This is our first time taking the whole junk show down. Me and Macronut are each bringing an RV, its gonna be a riot.
Where exactly is the creek you're talking about. I'll pull up a map of the park.
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micronut
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 30, 2013 - 07:05pm PT
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Thanks Dave!
Susan,
I just read upthread and noticed your question about accrediting. Yes, our family belongs to an accredited co-op, a sysytem in our "school" that files attendance and grades and updates with the state. We have a three strikes and you're out rule. Literally, if you do not get your grades and attendance in on the last friday of the month (or whenever it is), you can get booted from the school. We take it seriously because we are honest folks, but I'm sure it gets abused. We aren't the Ruby Ridge or Warren Jeffs type. It should also help when we get to college application time. Its good to keep it by the book.
Scott
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
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Jan 30, 2013 - 07:13pm PT
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This is just not right.
You should definitely stay home and study, nose to the grindstone, everybody, each and every one - lest the Chinese get a leg up. The horror!
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