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Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Jan 31, 2013 - 11:35pm PT
Insert NUKES HERE!
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Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jan 31, 2013 - 11:52pm PT
Donald, have you ever asked yourself what the loss to SuperTopo forum would be if you never posted on it again?

I, for one, do not see how it would be worse with your absence.

It certainly isn't better.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 1, 2013 - 12:07am PT
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Feb 1, 2013 - 12:36am PT
I could leave the forum
request all my contributions be eliminated

and perhaps no one would notice at all

and if I were to do it, as many good friends have, it would be because of people like you, Donald.
TMJesse

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Feb 1, 2013 - 12:36am PT
Exposing bigots is always preferred to letting them hide.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Feb 1, 2013 - 12:42am PT
tmjesse said:
"Exposing bigots is always preferred to letting them hide. "

You pulled the "racist" card out earlier, I looked and didn't see it then, or now: can you copy and paste and/or post a link that shows racism or bigotry on this thread? Otherwise, I'm calling bullshit on your bullsh#t.

PS, not that Link, he's retired.
TMJesse

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Feb 1, 2013 - 12:46am PT
I'll let the thread speak for itself; no documentation needed. Who said who was a racist? Are you reading something I am not?
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Feb 1, 2013 - 12:49am PT
Jan 31, 2013 - 09:36pm PT
I could leave the forum
request all my contributions be eliminated

and perhaps no one would notice at all


Think about it. Alot of folks here, myself definitely included, play around on the ST.

Dr. Hartouni makes posts that have and will continue to have historical merit and value. I can't say I've read all his posts, but I've yet to see a frivolous one.



Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Feb 1, 2013 - 01:03am PT
it is a choice, and one has to consider why one would participate with people like you, Donald.

It isn't overwrought, it is just deciding that some people posting to the STForum make the environment sufficiently negative that it isn't worth the effort contribute to it anymore. And the past contributions being the result of individual effort, are subject to the wishes of the author, I believe. If that author decided that those few individuals provide an environment on the STForum which he does not deem an appropriate association for that work, he is free to pull it from the Forum.

You see, it's a social contract at some level. While one can continue to post what they want to in a manner they want, they have no control over who leaves the Forum. If people are to stick around, there is some sort of agreement among them all regarding the limits of acceptable behavior, not in a formal manner, but in a manner agreed upon by that society.

TMJesse

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Feb 1, 2013 - 01:06am PT
In fact ,as a person , I am just as good or as bad as the next person, including yourself.

This is what makes ST what it is. I agree!
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Feb 1, 2013 - 01:08am PT
^stop kidding around Ed!

Though, on my own behalf and numerous others, kidding around serves a purpose.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Feb 1, 2013 - 01:39am PT
You seem to miss the point entirely, Donald, and that is not unexpected, in some regards.

This is a "Climber's Forum," and while there are no requirements to post about climbing, I'd say that a fair number of people who post here do so because of the climbing content, to some extent.

Certainly there is a lot of chatter about other things too, we liken it to campfire talk, and it's different than the climbing talk. But the reason there is a "campfire" at all is because we're together to climb. That is a "society," a community. Part of that community activity is contributing what you have, you don't have too, of course, but perhaps you're willing to provide an opinion regarding something you know about that could be useful... some detail about auto repair, photography hints, writing style.

You might also have been somewhere someone else would like to know about, you contribute your experience, your knowledge. Of course, it is reciprocal, in the best of sense of community, you also benefit from other members' experience, advice, etc. As far as I know, nothing compels us to contribute, there are no rules requiring quid pro quo. However, it is certainly possible that some individuals become disenchanted with the behavior of other individuals, and might leave a particular campfire seeking another.

The reason could be entirely due to the fact that one person pisses the other person off, that is an individual choice, after all, to be pissed off and decide to seek other associations. Now the entire campfire community suffers, or not, depends on who is pissed off and who is pissing that person off. And the community can decide to take appropriate action. What would be wrong with that?

You are at liberty to act however you wish, but you cannot be surprised if a large number of people, members of this community, react negatively if that is warranted. You certainly have a right to remain on the STForum posting whatever you will in whatever manner you do even if you are the last person sitting around the campfire doing it.

Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Feb 1, 2013 - 01:49am PT
That others who disagree with me will unfairly and wrongly claim that I am a fascist, bigot, homophobe, (or possibly homosexual), rascist, and finally that I am making people leave this forum. All these claims have been made within the last 24 hrs.

Hey, I hope you're not talking about me. I never claimed you were any of those things. I have no idea whether you are homophobic, homosexual, racist or bigoted. Nor did I claim you had made anyone leave this forum. All I said was that, like jhedge, you were a selfish as#@&%e with no regard for anyone other than yourself. (I like your dog pictures, though).

Now, I could be wrong. But the problem is that all I have to go by is the evidence of your posts here, and they paint a fairly negative picture. Maybe you are the decent guy you say you are -- your dog looks like a happy camper -- but Ed's right about one thing: it would do you no harm to ask yourself what the loss to SuperTopo forum would be if you never posted on it again.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 1, 2013 - 01:54am PT


This guy's been around here for a couple years now. I recognize him by the notch of fur missing toward the end of his tail.

The squirrels are In The Rut right now. They're either mating, fighting, or both at the same time.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 1, 2013 - 02:06am PT
It makes me a stronger person because I realize that adhering to my ideals and opinions is what is important to me, on this forum or elsewhere.

Keep posting low rent squirrel manips. It's what you do best. You are a true patriot. You are making a difference. Carry on...
Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
Feb 1, 2013 - 02:17am PT
Donald, at a campfire you would likely get punched in the nose...
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Feb 1, 2013 - 02:19am PT
naw... I get the feeling he's smart enough to not be a dick around a campfire.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Feb 1, 2013 - 02:31am PT
Donald, the fact that you do not recognize the community is because you are not a part of it, and have not been a part of it. Once again I wonder why you post here at all. But here you are...

...and while you can fantasize about this being a group of individuals and so no other requirement for participation is needed but to let your own stuff just hang out, I find it hard to believe you could seriously suggest that there are no requirements but those of good ol' "pedestrian society" to point our way. Once again, I take it that you are largely unfamiliar with climbers as a group, unless that group is at the local gym, you're observation may be accurate in that case. My observation is that even there there is a bit beyond "pedestrian society."

But you are a tiresome bug... and one unwilling to accept the consequences of your own actions.

dirtbag

climber
Feb 1, 2013 - 02:31am PT
I honestly have no idea what this thread is about.
Bullwinkle

Boulder climber
Feb 1, 2013 - 02:34am PT
"Quite the contrary . I happen to do things that people like around the campfire."

Gee Donny, Your knee pads must take quite a beating around those, campfires.

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