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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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I could leave the forum
request all my contributions be eliminated
and perhaps no one would notice at all
and if I were to do it, as many good friends have, it would be because of people like you, Donald.
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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Exposing bigots is always preferred to letting them hide.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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tmjesse said: "Exposing bigots is always preferred to letting them hide. "
You pulled the "racist" card out earlier, I looked and didn't see it then, or now: can you copy and paste and/or post a link that shows racism or bigotry on this thread? Otherwise, I'm calling bullshit on your bullsh#t.
PS, not that Link, he's retired.
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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I'll let the thread speak for itself; no documentation needed. Who said who was a racist? Are you reading something I am not?
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jan 31, 2013 - 09:36pm PT
I could leave the forum
request all my contributions be eliminated
and perhaps no one would notice at all
Think about it. Alot of folks here, myself definitely included, play around on the ST.
Dr. Hartouni makes posts that have and will continue to have historical merit and value. I can't say I've read all his posts, but I've yet to see a frivolous one.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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it is a choice, and one has to consider why one would participate with people like you, Donald.
It isn't overwrought, it is just deciding that some people posting to the STForum make the environment sufficiently negative that it isn't worth the effort contribute to it anymore. And the past contributions being the result of individual effort, are subject to the wishes of the author, I believe. If that author decided that those few individuals provide an environment on the STForum which he does not deem an appropriate association for that work, he is free to pull it from the Forum.
You see, it's a social contract at some level. While one can continue to post what they want to in a manner they want, they have no control over who leaves the Forum. If people are to stick around, there is some sort of agreement among them all regarding the limits of acceptable behavior, not in a formal manner, but in a manner agreed upon by that society.
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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In fact ,as a person , I am just as good or as bad as the next person, including yourself.
This is what makes ST what it is. I agree!
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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^stop kidding around Ed!
Though, on my own behalf and numerous others, kidding around serves a purpose.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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You seem to miss the point entirely, Donald, and that is not unexpected, in some regards.
This is a "Climber's Forum," and while there are no requirements to post about climbing, I'd say that a fair number of people who post here do so because of the climbing content, to some extent.
Certainly there is a lot of chatter about other things too, we liken it to campfire talk, and it's different than the climbing talk. But the reason there is a "campfire" at all is because we're together to climb. That is a "society," a community. Part of that community activity is contributing what you have, you don't have too, of course, but perhaps you're willing to provide an opinion regarding something you know about that could be useful... some detail about auto repair, photography hints, writing style.
You might also have been somewhere someone else would like to know about, you contribute your experience, your knowledge. Of course, it is reciprocal, in the best of sense of community, you also benefit from other members' experience, advice, etc. As far as I know, nothing compels us to contribute, there are no rules requiring quid pro quo. However, it is certainly possible that some individuals become disenchanted with the behavior of other individuals, and might leave a particular campfire seeking another.
The reason could be entirely due to the fact that one person pisses the other person off, that is an individual choice, after all, to be pissed off and decide to seek other associations. Now the entire campfire community suffers, or not, depends on who is pissed off and who is pissing that person off. And the community can decide to take appropriate action. What would be wrong with that?
You are at liberty to act however you wish, but you cannot be surprised if a large number of people, members of this community, react negatively if that is warranted. You certainly have a right to remain on the STForum posting whatever you will in whatever manner you do even if you are the last person sitting around the campfire doing it.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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That others who disagree with me will unfairly and wrongly claim that I am a fascist, bigot, homophobe, (or possibly homosexual), rascist, and finally that I am making people leave this forum. All these claims have been made within the last 24 hrs.
Hey, I hope you're not talking about me. I never claimed you were any of those things. I have no idea whether you are homophobic, homosexual, racist or bigoted. Nor did I claim you had made anyone leave this forum. All I said was that, like jhedge, you were a selfish as#@&%e with no regard for anyone other than yourself. (I like your dog pictures, though).
Now, I could be wrong. But the problem is that all I have to go by is the evidence of your posts here, and they paint a fairly negative picture. Maybe you are the decent guy you say you are -- your dog looks like a happy camper -- but Ed's right about one thing: it would do you no harm to ask yourself what the loss to SuperTopo forum would be if you never posted on it again.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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This guy's been around here for a couple years now. I recognize him by the notch of fur missing toward the end of his tail.
The squirrels are In The Rut right now. They're either mating, fighting, or both at the same time.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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It makes me a stronger person because I realize that adhering to my ideals and opinions is what is important to me, on this forum or elsewhere.
Keep posting low rent squirrel manips. It's what you do best. You are a true patriot. You are making a difference. Carry on...
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Donald, at a campfire you would likely get punched in the nose...
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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naw... I get the feeling he's smart enough to not be a dick around a campfire.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Donald, the fact that you do not recognize the community is because you are not a part of it, and have not been a part of it. Once again I wonder why you post here at all. But here you are...
...and while you can fantasize about this being a group of individuals and so no other requirement for participation is needed but to let your own stuff just hang out, I find it hard to believe you could seriously suggest that there are no requirements but those of good ol' "pedestrian society" to point our way. Once again, I take it that you are largely unfamiliar with climbers as a group, unless that group is at the local gym, you're observation may be accurate in that case. My observation is that even there there is a bit beyond "pedestrian society."
But you are a tiresome bug... and one unwilling to accept the consequences of your own actions.
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dirtbag
climber
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I honestly have no idea what this thread is about.
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Bullwinkle
Boulder climber
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"Quite the contrary . I happen to do things that people like around the campfire."
Gee Donny, Your knee pads must take quite a beating around those, campfires.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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oh, so now you're saying that there is a community? a commonality of ideas here?
why do you think I'm ratting you out? persecution complex? I'm just saying people make choices, people make the SuperTopoForum, if they decide it's no longer for them, they move on... some of those people I valued having the opportunity to interact with in this community and now they've decided it isn't worth it because of the recent tone, a tone that you help to set.
You notice, or perhaps you choose not to, that I try to address your arguments. Your last post seems to be venturing into some strange space... you are accusing me of being ideological, and of an ideology in disagreement with your own, and to justify the validity of your stance.
That is not what I have been saying.
What I have been saying, perhaps more simply, is that the SuperTopoForum is a community of climbers who have been interacting together for about a decade. The popularity of the forum has attracted a lot of participants. The tone of the Forum, perhaps reflecting the tone of the nation as a whole, has become rather negative especially when discussing non-climbing issues.
That negative tone has lead many long time members of the community to leave, at a loss to the community in my opinion. You have had a role in this.
You can deny it, you can deny it is important, you can deny that you have exceeded the boundaries of "pedestrian society," but you cannot deny the truth that people have left, at least in part, because of what you contribute and the tone you set while contributing.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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I agree Dirtbag, what is this thread about?
Ed, why waste any time with Donald, he probably suffers from the DTs.
Chaz, love the GI Joe pic.
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