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Donald Thompson

Trad climber
Los Angeles,CA
Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 21, 2013 - 02:01pm PT
Squirrel Appreciation Day On January 21

Since 2001 our country has celebrated National Squirrel Appreciation Day on January 21st. It is a day to help our nut loving little friends during the time of year that they find it difficult to find food for themselves.

Even though these little critters can sometimes be quite the pests, they are really fun to watch. So, forgive them this one day for the tulip bulbs they ate from your flower beds, the pumpkin they demolished on your front porch, and the bird seed they spilled out of the bird feeder this year. The little guys do offer entertainment with their antics in the trees and running across the lawns.

Wondering how to celebrate this odd January holiday? Let's see if we can come up with some ideas.

Credit: Donald Thompson
dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Jan 21, 2013 - 02:04pm PT
Damned. I havn't played video games in while. They got some awesome graphics now days.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jan 21, 2013 - 02:04pm PT
Hold on i have not finished photo shopping Babsy Bush ass rapping Poppy with a black strap on.
It will be so realistic. You will love it. Just making fun of looks though.
toadgas

Social climber
los angeles
Jan 21, 2013 - 02:06pm PT
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my basement is filling up with squirrels...make me an offer


vvv


http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1725176/Squirrels-as-Pets-Anybody




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Donald Thompson

Trad climber
Los Angeles,CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2013 - 03:41pm PT
I hope I'm not detecting some anti-squirrel racism out there ?

Not on this day, of all days:

SQUiRREL APPRECIATION DAY

January 21.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jan 21, 2013 - 03:48pm PT
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA

Jan 21, 2013 - 11:33am PT
I will add my congratulations to the President, and to all those who voted for him. He won fair and square, and I hope he can deliver on his promises of a better country. I will, of course, continue to express my opinion on how he best can do that, though!

I don't think today is a day to attack him. Instead, it's a day to recognize that he is the President of all of us in the United States, to wish him well, and to celebrate that we live in a country that changes governments peacefully, and without retribution.

Let the party continue.

John
Donald Thompson

Trad climber
Los Angeles,CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2013 - 03:52pm PT
Credit: Donald Thompson

Stand down Mr. President.
It's your squirrel hatin' that's got us mad as hell.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jan 21, 2013 - 03:53pm PT
Hard to believe you two are in the same Party, Donald.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Jan 21, 2013 - 03:54pm PT
Aliens
Aliens
Alien
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Alien
Alien
Donald Thompson

Trad climber
Los Angeles,CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2013 - 03:57pm PT
Credit: Donald Thompson

Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jan 21, 2013 - 04:01pm PT
Carol's son.



If Obama had a son, he'd look like this.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Jan 21, 2013 - 04:02pm PT
From the title, I thought this was going to be a Donald Trump retrospective.

Sadie celebrates yesterday by shaking one like a Terrier.



Don't get this dog around anything resembling a rat...mice, moles, voles, gophers. She'll dig till she gets a mole, your yard will look like a bomb went off. She's a rodent shaking machine that will go off. The squirrel is almost as big as her.
Donald Thompson

Trad climber
Los Angeles,CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2013 - 04:08pm PT
Credit: Donald Thompson


A solemn day...a day of ....greatness
Donald Thompson

Trad climber
Los Angeles,CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2013 - 04:12pm PT
Hey I know a 'marmot when I see one

Credit: Donald Thompson

And mr Mighty Hiker , learn how to spell "squworal" you are an embarrassment to my thread, and to the Canadian indoctrin......I mean, 'educational' system.
Hankster

Social climber
Golden, CO
Jan 21, 2013 - 04:12pm PT
Donald Thompson

Trad climber
Los Angeles,CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2013 - 05:25pm PT
Credit: Donald Thompson

" I am thrilled as hell to be your squirrel .... I mean... President for life"
TMJesse

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Jan 21, 2013 - 05:32pm PT
Go get you some for dinner, ehh?

Law Officers Gathered at the University of Mississippi, Oxford, Septem...
Law Officers Gathered at the University of Mississippi, Oxford, September, 1962.
Credit: Charles Moore
Donald Thompson

Trad climber
Los Angeles,CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2013 - 05:44pm PT
Credit: Donald Thompson
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"Squirrels Jesse ...Jesse Jesse "



















Credit: Donald Thompson
glanton

Social climber
utopia
Jan 21, 2013 - 05:52pm PT
The L.A.chapter of the
"squirrel " fan club.

Credit: glanton

That's me on the left and Donald over there on the right.
Donald Thompson

Trad climber
Los Angeles,CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2013 - 05:57pm PT
Mr. Norton....I mean Mr. 'Glanton'

Dude you are so so so wrong.

Credit: Donald Thompson
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jan 21, 2013 - 06:00pm PT
Four more years, Donald.

FOUR MORE YEARS.

Donald Thompson

Trad climber
Los Angeles,CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2013 - 06:03pm PT
Prediction: Obama will resign from office before his term is up.

When he has suddenly run out of other people's nuts.

Credit: Donald Thompson

zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 21, 2013 - 06:04pm PT
Donald Thompson

Trad climber
Los Angeles,CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2013 - 06:08pm PT
Why thanky Mr. Mighty Hikin Dude

You win the award for best post of the day. "7 Ways to Celebrate National Squirrel Appreciation Day"

The prize:

Credit: Donald Thompson

Now I don't know if they'll work in Canada. They are scheduled to replace real money in the US over the next 4 years. Enjoy

And , once again, congratulations.
glanton

Social climber
utopia
Jan 21, 2013 - 06:12pm PT
...and you are so right Donald. Just think of the great
photo chops you could have conjured up for our entertainment had it been the national day for, ohh saayy raccoons.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 21, 2013 - 06:14pm PT
coons?

Donald Thompson

Trad climber
Los Angeles,CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2013 - 06:20pm PT

This is so so mean to squirrels.


Credit: Donald Thompson
abrams

Sport climber
Jan 21, 2013 - 06:28pm PT
certain this would be a recipe thread before clicking. ST is full of surprises but at least we can agree we all love squirrels

http://www.sportinggun.co.uk/features/532186/Squirrel_recipe_Deep_fried_squirrel.html

http://www.food.com/recipe/campfire-roasted-squirrel-436582

shake and bake squirrel recipe
http://www.sportsmansguide.ca/Outdoors/Subject/SubjectRead.aspx?sid=47&aid=99583&type=RC
TMJesse

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Jan 21, 2013 - 06:46pm PT
I prefer racism to show itself rather than hide from all of us. Thanks. Good job.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Jan 21, 2013 - 06:50pm PT
"Prediction: Obama will resign from office before his term is up."

Nope. He's young and healthy, going the distance.





I think it was said after the last election as well, goes like this:
“I’m tired now of the elections,” Bush said at a forum on America’s first ladies. “People spoke. Move on, get on with it. I want to do other things and not to be ugly.”
 Barbara Bush
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 21, 2013 - 06:57pm PT
"Prediction: Obama will resign from office before his term is up."

That would be interesting. Could he appoint Coulter/Armstrong to serve is his stead (assuming Biden would resign with Obama of course).
justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
Jan 22, 2013 - 09:21am PT
Bump for rabies
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jan 22, 2013 - 10:10am PT
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jan 22, 2013 - 10:13am PT
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zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 31, 2013 - 11:06pm PT
non null bump for t* and Donald Thompson

bring Donald back

did you notice that t* are the first two letters of Donald's last name

I wonder if his dog can drive a car?


jus' wonderin'

Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Jan 31, 2013 - 11:35pm PT
Insert NUKES HERE!
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Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jan 31, 2013 - 11:52pm PT
Donald, have you ever asked yourself what the loss to SuperTopo forum would be if you never posted on it again?

I, for one, do not see how it would be worse with your absence.

It certainly isn't better.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 1, 2013 - 12:07am PT
Donald Thompson

Trad climber
Los Angeles,CA
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 1, 2013 - 12:31am PT
I, for one, do not see how it would be worse with your absence.

During your recent absence ( I hadn't noticed you were gone until the posting of your TR)
there was no detectable difference in the overall betterment of this forum.

However, I agree with your comment above. Instead of 'forum' you could have indicated planet Earth ,with little change in the main thrust of your assertion. We all come and go- after we inhabit and then depart forums or planets- over time very little will be remembered of our presence, or absence. Even the owner of this site will be undetectable given the passage of enough time.
Since I know my presence is temporary, any one who attempts to convince me of same can only meet with approval. Despite the high horse they have just mounted , and the moral view their overall height automatically confers, there is much about the transience of life on the ground that they still continue to miss.

Such as squirrels, for instance.

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Feb 1, 2013 - 12:36am PT
I could leave the forum
request all my contributions be eliminated

and perhaps no one would notice at all

and if I were to do it, as many good friends have, it would be because of people like you, Donald.
TMJesse

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Feb 1, 2013 - 12:36am PT
Exposing bigots is always preferred to letting them hide.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Feb 1, 2013 - 12:42am PT
tmjesse said:
"Exposing bigots is always preferred to letting them hide. "

You pulled the "racist" card out earlier, I looked and didn't see it then, or now: can you copy and paste and/or post a link that shows racism or bigotry on this thread? Otherwise, I'm calling bullshit on your bullsh#t.

PS, not that Link, he's retired.
TMJesse

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Feb 1, 2013 - 12:46am PT
I'll let the thread speak for itself; no documentation needed. Who said who was a racist? Are you reading something I am not?
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Feb 1, 2013 - 12:49am PT
Jan 31, 2013 - 09:36pm PT
I could leave the forum
request all my contributions be eliminated

and perhaps no one would notice at all


Think about it. Alot of folks here, myself definitely included, play around on the ST.

Dr. Hartouni makes posts that have and will continue to have historical merit and value. I can't say I've read all his posts, but I've yet to see a frivolous one.



Donald Thompson

Trad climber
Los Angeles,CA
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 1, 2013 - 12:52am PT
and if I were to do it, as many good friends have, it would be because of people like you, Donald.

Why? What would such an overwrought and uptight thing prove- to others or to yourself.?Nothing. It isn't a moral act or a thing of high ideals. It is a simple choice ,like not liking broccoli, and then refusing to eat it.
I will not be made to feel guilty because humorless individuals with overly thin and complacent skins suddenly view me as representative of some ogre element on this forum.
I' m not wired like that. I am not that easily shamed or humiliated.
In fact ,as a person , I am just as good or as bad as the next person, including yourself.
This is what I know about myself. This is what expressing my political and cultural criticisms have taught me:That others who disagree with me will unfairly and wrongly claim that I am a fascist, bigot, homophobe, (or possibly homosexual), rascist, and finally that I am making people leave this forum. All these claims have been made within the last 24 hrs.
I am not whining. It comes with the territory.
It makes me a stronger person because I realize that adhering to my ideals and opinions is what is important to me, on this forum or elsewhere.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Feb 1, 2013 - 01:03am PT
it is a choice, and one has to consider why one would participate with people like you, Donald.

It isn't overwrought, it is just deciding that some people posting to the STForum make the environment sufficiently negative that it isn't worth the effort contribute to it anymore. And the past contributions being the result of individual effort, are subject to the wishes of the author, I believe. If that author decided that those few individuals provide an environment on the STForum which he does not deem an appropriate association for that work, he is free to pull it from the Forum.

You see, it's a social contract at some level. While one can continue to post what they want to in a manner they want, they have no control over who leaves the Forum. If people are to stick around, there is some sort of agreement among them all regarding the limits of acceptable behavior, not in a formal manner, but in a manner agreed upon by that society.

TMJesse

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Feb 1, 2013 - 01:06am PT
In fact ,as a person , I am just as good or as bad as the next person, including yourself.

This is what makes ST what it is. I agree!
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Feb 1, 2013 - 01:08am PT
^stop kidding around Ed!

Though, on my own behalf and numerous others, kidding around serves a purpose.
Donald Thompson

Trad climber
Los Angeles,CA
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 1, 2013 - 01:25am PT
If people are to stick around, there is some sort of agreement among them all regarding the limits of acceptable behavior, not in a formal manner, but in a manner agreed upon by that society.

Okay. Nonetheless, any decision to leave is first and foremost an individual one. Any semantical trick that hopes to transform that collection of individuals into a 'society' is aimed at magnifying its significance and its overall numbers so as to make departure a collective moral statement, which it is not. In any case, the aim is to somehow punish the larger community for not adhering to the 'acceptable' norms of the departing ones.
Even if ogres such as myself were to leave, or be banned, or purged in the entirety, others will leave for different reasons in the newer, allegedly better- behaving regime(probably boredom) and then the cycle would begin anew.
We are not dealing with Donald or Ed, or their respective behaviors , we are dealing with human nature, which cannot be reformed by people getting mad , going home, and taking their ball with them.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Feb 1, 2013 - 01:39am PT
You seem to miss the point entirely, Donald, and that is not unexpected, in some regards.

This is a "Climber's Forum," and while there are no requirements to post about climbing, I'd say that a fair number of people who post here do so because of the climbing content, to some extent.

Certainly there is a lot of chatter about other things too, we liken it to campfire talk, and it's different than the climbing talk. But the reason there is a "campfire" at all is because we're together to climb. That is a "society," a community. Part of that community activity is contributing what you have, you don't have too, of course, but perhaps you're willing to provide an opinion regarding something you know about that could be useful... some detail about auto repair, photography hints, writing style.

You might also have been somewhere someone else would like to know about, you contribute your experience, your knowledge. Of course, it is reciprocal, in the best of sense of community, you also benefit from other members' experience, advice, etc. As far as I know, nothing compels us to contribute, there are no rules requiring quid pro quo. However, it is certainly possible that some individuals become disenchanted with the behavior of other individuals, and might leave a particular campfire seeking another.

The reason could be entirely due to the fact that one person pisses the other person off, that is an individual choice, after all, to be pissed off and decide to seek other associations. Now the entire campfire community suffers, or not, depends on who is pissed off and who is pissing that person off. And the community can decide to take appropriate action. What would be wrong with that?

You are at liberty to act however you wish, but you cannot be surprised if a large number of people, members of this community, react negatively if that is warranted. You certainly have a right to remain on the STForum posting whatever you will in whatever manner you do even if you are the last person sitting around the campfire doing it.

Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Feb 1, 2013 - 01:49am PT
That others who disagree with me will unfairly and wrongly claim that I am a fascist, bigot, homophobe, (or possibly homosexual), rascist, and finally that I am making people leave this forum. All these claims have been made within the last 24 hrs.

Hey, I hope you're not talking about me. I never claimed you were any of those things. I have no idea whether you are homophobic, homosexual, racist or bigoted. Nor did I claim you had made anyone leave this forum. All I said was that, like jhedge, you were a selfish as#@&%e with no regard for anyone other than yourself. (I like your dog pictures, though).

Now, I could be wrong. But the problem is that all I have to go by is the evidence of your posts here, and they paint a fairly negative picture. Maybe you are the decent guy you say you are -- your dog looks like a happy camper -- but Ed's right about one thing: it would do you no harm to ask yourself what the loss to SuperTopo forum would be if you never posted on it again.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 1, 2013 - 01:54am PT


This guy's been around here for a couple years now. I recognize him by the notch of fur missing toward the end of his tail.

The squirrels are In The Rut right now. They're either mating, fighting, or both at the same time.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 1, 2013 - 02:06am PT
It makes me a stronger person because I realize that adhering to my ideals and opinions is what is important to me, on this forum or elsewhere.

Keep posting low rent squirrel manips. It's what you do best. You are a true patriot. You are making a difference. Carry on...
Donald Thompson

Trad climber
Los Angeles,CA
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 1, 2013 - 02:10am PT
The reason could be entirely due to the fact that one person pisses the other person off, that is an individual choice, after all, to be pissed off and decide to seek other associations. Now the entire campfire community suffers, or not, depends on who is pissed off and who is pissing that person off. And the community can decide to take appropriate action. What would be wrong with that?

The scenario you outlined is false. If individuals are pissed off at others it is because they are having a natural disagreement with their fellow humans. This condition is mutual and does not automatically lead to a diminished community. What I suspect is going on here is that a group of disaffected individuals are making a power play by superimposing their view of the nature of this forum on those they disagree with by alternately shaming and threatening departure
First an attempt is made to convince the ogre that because his 'contributions' are pissing others off he must ipso facto engage in a sort of self-marginalization for the overall betterment of the community.
A structural image of the campfire is contrived to reinforce the notions that there are these unspoken operational rules which have been violated. And there are not . On this forum there exist the same requirements that ordinary pedestrian society observes. Nothing more or less.
As long as those ordinary rules of mutual conduct are observed no one will be hurt, or diminished, unless they choose to , but that is the only thing they are choosing.

The squirrels are In The Rut right now. They're either mating, fighting, or both at the same time.

Yes. I've noticed several territorial disputes in the local area quite vocal and seemingly nasty.

Many fruit trees are producing fruit and territories are being reinforced based upon their location
Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
Feb 1, 2013 - 02:17am PT
Donald, at a campfire you would likely get punched in the nose...
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Feb 1, 2013 - 02:19am PT
naw... I get the feeling he's smart enough to not be a dick around a campfire.
Donald Thompson

Trad climber
Los Angeles,CA
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 1, 2013 - 02:27am PT


Donald, at a campfire you would likely get punched in the nose...


Quite the contrary . I happen to do things that people like around the campfire.
If the campfire were large enough you wouldn't even notice me unless I decided to entertain.

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Feb 1, 2013 - 02:31am PT
Donald, the fact that you do not recognize the community is because you are not a part of it, and have not been a part of it. Once again I wonder why you post here at all. But here you are...

...and while you can fantasize about this being a group of individuals and so no other requirement for participation is needed but to let your own stuff just hang out, I find it hard to believe you could seriously suggest that there are no requirements but those of good ol' "pedestrian society" to point our way. Once again, I take it that you are largely unfamiliar with climbers as a group, unless that group is at the local gym, you're observation may be accurate in that case. My observation is that even there there is a bit beyond "pedestrian society."

But you are a tiresome bug... and one unwilling to accept the consequences of your own actions.

dirtbag

climber
Feb 1, 2013 - 02:31am PT
I honestly have no idea what this thread is about.
Bullwinkle

Boulder climber
Feb 1, 2013 - 02:34am PT
"Quite the contrary . I happen to do things that people like around the campfire."

Gee Donny, Your knee pads must take quite a beating around those, campfires.

Donald Thompson

Trad climber
Los Angeles,CA
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 1, 2013 - 02:42am PT
But you are a tiresome bug... and one unwilling to accept the consequences of your own actions.

You are right there. You are also right about me being an 'outsider'. But I am an outsider that obeys the same rules as you do. One leg at a time.

I have not noticed you rat packing on the members of your 'community' that hold the same opinions as yourself. There are plenty of them violating your in-group norms with all sorts of egregious behavior. But you never seek them out to confer the bug title on them. Why is that?
Is there an ideological rather than a behavioral bias at work here?

I mean if you were to apply this evangelical effort at the broader ST you have got a lot of work ahead of you. Quit spending so much time on me.
The only thing I can figure is that someone(other than yourself) has gotten a hair up their wazoo about me and they privately exhorted you to go on the offense? Or perhaps you have heroically taken it upon yourself. In any case.

Maybe you need an outsider's perspective.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Feb 1, 2013 - 02:59am PT
oh, so now you're saying that there is a community? a commonality of ideas here?

why do you think I'm ratting you out? persecution complex? I'm just saying people make choices, people make the SuperTopoForum, if they decide it's no longer for them, they move on... some of those people I valued having the opportunity to interact with in this community and now they've decided it isn't worth it because of the recent tone, a tone that you help to set.

You notice, or perhaps you choose not to, that I try to address your arguments. Your last post seems to be venturing into some strange space... you are accusing me of being ideological, and of an ideology in disagreement with your own, and to justify the validity of your stance.

That is not what I have been saying.

What I have been saying, perhaps more simply, is that the SuperTopoForum is a community of climbers who have been interacting together for about a decade. The popularity of the forum has attracted a lot of participants. The tone of the Forum, perhaps reflecting the tone of the nation as a whole, has become rather negative especially when discussing non-climbing issues.

That negative tone has lead many long time members of the community to leave, at a loss to the community in my opinion. You have had a role in this.

You can deny it, you can deny it is important, you can deny that you have exceeded the boundaries of "pedestrian society," but you cannot deny the truth that people have left, at least in part, because of what you contribute and the tone you set while contributing.

Donald Thompson

Trad climber
Los Angeles,CA
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 1, 2013 - 03:35am PT
You can deny it, you can deny it is important, you can deny that you have exceeded the boundaries of "pedestrian society," but you cannot deny the truth that people have left, at least in part, because of what you contribute and the tone you set while contributing.

No it's because I have set forth ideas and opinions that your disaffected ones have trouble hearing. It's the content, not the tone. A certain political and cultural regime is extant on ST and they won't brook any dissent.
If those ideas are set forth in an inarticulate manner then I am just another stupid conservative and am consequently not a threat to the reigning smugness and complacency.
I did not set out to play this awkward role. I simply made opinions and observations like everyone else and !voila! all this community goodwill was showered upon me. I did not see much wonderfulness that existed on ST when I first logged on in 2011 in the way that you seem to imply was more abundant than today.
What I did find was a vibrant ,interesting, and multi-faceted group of individuals acting like individuals, talking primarily about that activity that I had left years before and was happily rediscovering. But right beneath the surface there was a lot of bullying going on . The bullying went largely unchallenged . It was a bigotry that had very clear political , cultural ,,, and even regional and religious overtones. Moreover , the nastiness was even worse when the territorial collective that you idealize was invoked and people ignored or minimized their individuality.
I could have just kumbayaed my way around it- but that is not who I am.

Again, I did not notice you , nor anyone else of your ilk, rising up to confront this condition or to confer the bug title on your fraternal order of arrogant misbehavers.
Furthermore I expect you to be diligent in that regard in future -out of evenhandedness, if for not other reason.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Feb 1, 2013 - 05:33am PT
I agree Dirtbag, what is this thread about?


Ed, why waste any time with Donald, he probably suffers from the DTs.


Chaz, love the GI Joe pic.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Feb 1, 2013 - 08:55am PT
Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.

Ed: He's not worth your time.





Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Feb 1, 2013 - 11:08am PT
Furthermore I expect you to be diligent in that regard in future -out of evenhandedness, if for not other reason.

So, Donald, what is your best post to this Forum? what if you decided to take it down? what would be lost? You have set yourself up as some sort of referee to ensure that the STForum is "fair and balanced" when none was needed.

You have contributed only incidentally to the climbing content.

As you point out, there is no requirements for participation, your demand for "evenhandedness" is silly and self serving. Where I have engaged in debate with others on a large number of topics, I have sought to be respectful even when I strongly disagree, and let the argument of the point be the topic, rather than the person, even when I suspect the posts were intended to be personal.

You don't seem to have a capacity to rise above the personal, and seem to actually revel in wallowing in that.

If you have important points to make, you should try to make them in a civil manner without resort to name calling and all that, even in the face of it by your supposed opponents, that is what I would expect of you... perhaps you should even try to be respectful.

...though not a requirement certainly. However, my main recourse when discovering a "buggy" place is to avoid it in the future, I cannot eliminate the world of bugs.

As for the others, well you might see what they contribute along the lines of the general topical area covered by SuperTopo Forum, which is associated with a series of guidebooks describing climbs in areas throughout the western US and Alaska...

Not that I need to justify my choice of who I'd reprimand for intransigent behavior, those who post in the spirit of climbing their climbing experiences are worthy of some degree of leniency in their choice of topics.

Why is that so?

Because they give something to the climbing community here, they participate and have interesting and important things to say about climbing... they earn the right to mouth off about some other stuff because the bring it on the important, central topic of our reason for being here: climbing.

You don't bring anything to the table in that regard. And it is not that your own viewpoint is abhorrent to the threads you choose to post to, your manner of delivery can be.

In my view, nothing would be lost if you ceased to post on SuperTopoForum, especially in the manner that you choose to post in.

If you would like to explore this further, offer up your most proud thread and wonder what would happen if it were eliminated, would it detract from the quality of the Forum?

Here are two that I have created over the years that took a lot of personal time to realize:

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=268647

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=28891

which I have real trouble imagining eliminating if I were to leave on account of people like you.

What are your proud posts?
Gilroy

Social climber
Bolderado
Feb 1, 2013 - 11:30am PT
Muchas gracias, Senor Hartouni, for focusing on improving the community.

Always.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 1, 2013 - 11:35am PT
Too bad you couldn't sell a few million more on being as blind as you Don.....

Better luck next time loser.



Credit: survival
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Feb 1, 2013 - 11:36am PT
Thank You CMac for lancing that unsightly boil.
And a most appreciative thank you to the good Dr, Hartouni for providing the logic for that lancing.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 1, 2013 - 11:39am PT

"If you have important points to make, you should try to make them in a civil manner without resort to name calling and all that, even in the face of it by your supposed opponents, that is what I would expect of you... perhaps you should even try to be respectful."




YOU Philo,, might try re-reading this a few times over.
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Feb 1, 2013 - 11:42am PT
Watch out, Ron.
The Ban Bus is getting Full.

:)
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 1, 2013 - 11:45am PT
Ron is a big fan of Don.

But Ron seems to have a better sense of humor.
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Feb 1, 2013 - 11:47am PT
Ron.... good point.

So it seems like if someone dosen't tow the party line...

They get jumped on ... by a gang of ST posters

Pretty sad

Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Feb 1, 2013 - 11:54am PT
Interesting.

I know that DT could get the resident political shriekers riled up, but then, they can be fairly nasty themselves, so as long as it was all kept to the "Republicans wrong" trainwreck, who cares.

But he (and some of them) just can't keep it there, among themselves, and I think that's probably what got him booted. A pretty good example is the thread a couple of days ago, in which some of Mighty Hiker's friends were expressing worry that he might not be okay. There was some light-hearted banter, but it was obviously a matter of real concern.

Then, in stomped DT and jhedge, caring nothing at all about either Anders or those of us who were worried about him. They took over the thread, as they have done on other threads, focused soley on calling each other out. Now, I suppose it can be kind of funny watching two as#@&%es argue about which of them is the bigger as#@&%e, but that's what the "Republicans wrong" thread is for.

I don't know if that is why he got tossed this morning, but it is a good a reason as any, and I hope it acts as a warning light to others.

I don't care if a poster here is a climber or not. If s/he makes a net positive impact, then s/he can shriek all day and all night at other like-minded folk on the "Who's the biggest as#@&%e" thread. But to spill that kind of behavior into the rest of the conversations here is a good reason for loss of posting privileges. Are you listening jhedge? Philo? et al? Unleash your anger at one another on the appropriate thread, but when you join the rest of us outside that thread, show respect for the people you're sharing this stupid place with.

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 1, 2013 - 11:54am PT
I dont really understand this banning stuff- as ive only seen one or two instances where it was truly required. I dont know whos on first or whats on second. Sometimes i think im still here only by the fact that us non-libs are very rare here, so they leave a few of us around just fer targets.;^) Surely it is something to that affect and knott my grainy shytty ol but shots from ancient times.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Feb 1, 2013 - 11:54am PT
YOU Philo,, might try re-reading this a few times over.

Ron you are most correct. I have been rude on the forum, very rude indeed. In fact I may at times have been one of the rudest SOBs on the forum. But only to those few who i deemed had earned my most un-decorous behavior through their recalcitrant ignorance in the face of repeatedly and respectfully presented facts. I have hurled some major loads at you in the past. But then again on more than one occasion you and I have agreed on a thread and treated each other most respectfully.
That is not an uncommon theme amongst Taco posters and is one of the things that makes SuperTopo so rich and rewarding. Cheers to all and I am sorry if i pissed any one off too much.


I humbly suggest that most of what i post be viewed with a tongue in cheek perspective and the understanding that I am all but incapable of avoiding puns and word play.


Mr Hartouni sir, I salute you!
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Feb 1, 2013 - 12:17pm PT
DT would consistently inject bitter, and often racist, political posts into the most benign of threads.

Example: Survival's "Color of My Country" was a nice expression of positive vibes that many of us enjoyed, until DT started spewing left/right political crap.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Feb 1, 2013 - 01:05pm PT
TMJesse asked:
"I'll let the thread speak for itself; no documentation needed. Who said who was a racist? Are you reading something I am not?"

Now I'm confused. You pulled the racist card. Did you not? The OP had posted a pic of the President with a squirel in front of him, Right underneath, you posted a pic of what appears to be a group of southern crackers with the statement: "Go get you some for dinner, ehh?". Then your next post said: "I prefer racism to show itself rather than hide from all of us. Thanks. Good job." Clearly you are calling...probably Donald Thompson, a racist. You said:
"I prefer racism to show itself rather than hide from all of us. Thanks. Good job."

Now you add: "Who said who was a racist? Are you reading something I am not?".

Did you walk away from a computer you were logged into Jesse? I'm just going by what you wrote. Can you copy paste the post that made you say - "I prefer racism to show itself rather than hide from all of us. Thanks. Good job." I didn't see it, then or now.

regards
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Feb 1, 2013 - 01:09pm PT
Ed, please don't be so hurt. I realize that on this forum, it's OK to bag on Bush or republicans, and you'll get a free pass, but not to say anything negative about any democrats or (especially) the President. But please try and open your mind. If another's ignorance and stupidity bother you, you can resort to the old tried and true method of "DON'T CLICK THE LINK".

You can count, for instance, the amount of times I've posted on Dr F's "republicans are horrible wretched creature thread quite easily. It has over 30,000 posts, I don't choose to read the stupidity that gets bantered back and forth. So I go old school and "DON'T CLICK THE LINK". My life is thus better. I enjoy alternative viewpoints, and have had some spirited discourse with Craig and Phil, liberals both. Not on that thread however. Waste of time.

If I had to choose you or Donald, it's YOU all the way. But I'd hope that you don't get so wrapped up in some squirrels dude.

Sadie likes squirrels. But she cannot read. Ergo, she doesn't click the links, but shakes them if she can catch them and her life is immensely better without the computer. The squirrels are doing better staying on top of the fence.




Unfortunately, by posting here, we are both giving DT a boost. The fastest way to make it stop is for folks to don't post on a thread they disapprove of.

Regards
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Feb 1, 2013 - 01:46pm PT
I realize that on this forum, it's OK to bag on Bush or republicans, you'll get a free pass, but not on any democrats or the President. But try and open your mind. If anothers ignorance and stupidity bother you, DON'T CLICK THE LINK.

I haven't bagged on Bush, and I probably said why, we the people elect the president, who ever that is we have an obligation to work with the administration for the best of the country. While I do not agree on every policy issue of every administration, in my current job I still need to provide the best input to the government, who ever that might be...

...in fact, it's not a "who" but it is an "us," once again we elected that government.

You accuse me of having a closed mind, but that is not at all how I see it... I would believe that Donald could have made his points in a respectful, intellectual manner, but did not choose to take the "high road." I have no problem with his espousing his point of view, I do have a problem when it is done with disrespect.

The OP of this thread, and the many prods by Donald in it, is disrespectful to a very high degree and it does so as an intentional provocation. That is not necessary, in my opinion, and I said so. I have debated Donald on other threads, I do not agree with him but I respect that he has an opinion and I sought to learn the basis of that opinion.

And it is not just a matter of "not clicking." Your favorite Trad climbing area can still be climbed in that manner even if it is grid-rap-bolted... just don't clip the bolts, right?! Though you might not seek that spot out after it has been so treated.

When their is intentional baiting using offensive and disrespectful posts, this thread being an example, we can certainly challenge it, and do so respectfully.

Perhaps I have been remiss in not doing so in other threads... but so be it.

But close minded? I don't think so... can you provide an explanation of that statement?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 1, 2013 - 01:49pm PT
That does it, I'm going to start hunting and eating squirrels. Any advice, suggestions? I know there have been some cases of the plaque up here, but I'm thinking some rubber gloves curing skinning/cleaning should do the trick.

Best vid I've found on the subject
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Feb 1, 2013 - 01:57pm PT
I haven't followed all of your online debates with the guy Ed, was only referring to this thread and I didn't see DT being a douchbag. If you say he is elsewhere, I would not doubt your words.

As far as being disrespectful of the President, THIS THREAD, is much less aggro than 90 percent of the things which had been said about Bush. I will admit that the last administration did substantially more stupid sh#t, and so they should have been dissed on substantially more...but sometimes it got embarrassing how over the top and damned nasty it got, so I can relate to your feelings and statements. I was not singling you out as a person who had "bashed" Bush excessively, I'm sure we both said some pretty pointed and possibly nasty, but true, things. So sorry to infer that your Bush words were over the top as I was referring to people who post here generally.

As far as walking away, I'm standing by that. See, now you and I have both bumped this thread to the top again:-). Lets walk any and let it slip off the front page. OK?

Regards to you Ed.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 1, 2013 - 01:58pm PT
the plague will be found mostly in ground squirrels and not the tree dwellers. Chickarees and greys your best bet. Problems locally can be FLEAS..But this winter has been cold enough to knock down the external parasites. Rabbit and squirrel are best delt with when its COLD..


and the vid IS the way to clean a skeewarel..
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Feb 1, 2013 - 02:20pm PT
and the vid IS the way to clean a skeewarel..

Ron, I just realized that you are the guy to go to with this question. Should have thought of you before, because it's been bugging me for a while. Here's the deal: Wes asking about the best way to skin a squirrel reminded me that I've read (in a serious book) that the best/easiest way to skin a rabbit is to get the pump you use to blow up basketballs (bike pump with the needle attached), insert the needle down around the ankle, and pump. Skin supposedly blows up like a balloon and can then be removed easily.

So, first, is that true?

And second, if it is true, does it work on squirrels?

And FWIW, I skinned a few squirrels back when I was a teenager working in the bush, but I didn't really have any clue about how it ought to be done. A sharp knife and some pulling and tugging.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 1, 2013 - 02:23pm PT
Strange....I don't miss Donald yet.......
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 1, 2013 - 02:26pm PT
Ghost, ys that is true about rabbits, but squirrels skin is tighter to the viscera layers than a rabbit so it doesnt work as well. But the standard skinning procedure in the video is the same for rabbit. A word of caution,, do not cut through the urethra tube or testicle area as it will flood foul taste into the hind quarters- that the same on all mammals..The cleaner the cleaning, the better the meat. (aint it always so)


edit: ive used my air compressor in such skinning before - takes about four seconds at 90 psi...
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Feb 1, 2013 - 08:53pm PT
So is DT banned? Or am I reading something wrong?

And I thought I read on another thread that the squirrel thread was nuked?
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Feb 1, 2013 - 08:56pm PT
I haven't followed all of your online debates with the guy Ed, was only referring to this thread and I didn't see DT being a douchbag.

How do you think this thread originated? By being a Douchebag!
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Feb 1, 2013 - 09:16pm PT
The squirrel thread was nuked in the sense of huge pic nuke by t*r, not delete nuke.

And DT is banned, just click on his avatar.
TMJesse

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Feb 1, 2013 - 09:24pm PT
I prefer racism to show itself rather than hide from all of us. Thanks. Good job.

I meant it and stand by it. Either you're blind or you are ignorant. Ever heard of the KKK? This thread appears on Inauguration/MLK Day? The lights are on and everyone can see all around us.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 1, 2013 - 09:29pm PT
Innaguration Day was January 20th.

The 21st was Obama's Celebration Day.
TMJesse

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Feb 1, 2013 - 09:46pm PT
I stand corrected, then. But, the public celebration of the event was held on Monday/MLK instead of Sunday, as other such inaugurations have been held when the 20th falls on a Sunday.

[Edit]
The 21st was Obama's Celebration Day.

I cannot find any official mention of such a title to that day. Please share your source.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Feb 1, 2013 - 09:56pm PT
The 21st was called the public Inauguration Day this year.

The 20 was the official swearing in date, because the oath must be taken before noon on the 20. The inauguration ceremony is pushed to Monday if the 20th is a Sunday.
John M

climber
Feb 1, 2013 - 10:09pm PT
But only to those few who i deemed had earned my most un-decorous behavior

This is where you make a mistake Philo. If others want to follow a thread or discuss a topic that you are polluting with your hate and disgust, then we have to wade through that hate and disgust.

Now me.. I don't mind the occasional fight. Sometimes its needed to clear the air. But the constant hate.. That I get tired of and tired of wading through it. I admit to having spread some of my own, but I am trying to do better and not go at it constantly. I wish you would try to do the same.

Jhedge too.

DT is gone.. Good

couchmaster

climber
pdx
Feb 1, 2013 - 11:24pm PT
Quoted:
"I meant it and stand by it. Either you're blind or you are ignorant. Ever heard of the KKK? This thread appears on Inauguration/MLK Day? The lights are on and everyone can see all around us."

Maybe I am blind. But I notice that you can't find the requested quote. It seems to me that it would be more productive if instead of thinking "Oh, criticism (Ie that in this case his policy's like DT's "National squirrel day" are do nothing) of the President? he's black, ergo, RACIST!!!". You could have better argued that sweeping issues are being fixed that will make our country stronger. Iraq, Afghanistan, health care. Then argue those specifically.

BTW, the President named it "National Day of Hope and Resolve" day. Which is competing against National Squirrel day". http://www.indecisionforever.com/blog/2013/01/21/barack-obama-competes-against-squirrel-appreciation-day

Thought I'd pitch that out there. Maybe that will get twisted by someone too. OMG HE MUST MEAN "Hate a Cracker Day, or F WHITY IN THE a day. Its to compensate for national squirrel day which we all know is nothing but a veiled racist term and reinitializing slavery.


NOT. Get a grip.
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Feb 1, 2013 - 11:42pm PT
If you are sincere then maybe we have made some progress in this country.

Some of us however, are old enough to have lived through the era of church bombings, police dogs attacking people sitting and singing hymns in the street, Civil rights marchers both black and white being murdered and buried in levies and all white southern juries freeing the killers who sneered at the families of the dead. To some of us, racism is a vivid recollection and we want no part of any hint of it.

Choosing a squirrel as a symbol for a Black president is one step better than a coon but close enough for those of us with memories of that era. There is no doubt in my mind that Donald was making racist slurs and I'm appalled that people got so offended over boobs (a thread that was clearly and honestly labeled) and mostly let slide the one on squirrels.

Donald deserved to be banned for his racism if nothing else.
TMJesse

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Feb 1, 2013 - 11:48pm PT
Whew! Thank you.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 1, 2013 - 11:56pm PT
Jan writes:

"Choosing a squirrel as a symbol for a Black president is one step better than a coon but close enough for those of us with memories of that era."


What if that exact same squirrel were used to take similar jabs at a white President? Then it wouldn't be a racist attack. Would it?

A quick Google Immages search will turn up a bunch of pictures of the last President and that exact same squirrel looking just as foolish as Obama.
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Feb 2, 2013 - 12:02am PT
If the same squirrel image is used on a white president, I would say there would be different connotations depending on what region of the country they come from. If they were from the high western desert, most people including themselves, would likely scratch their heads at the meaning of the reference.

If it was a white southern president then it would definitely be taken by him and everyone in that region as an insult, not to race but to background indicating that the cartoonist thought he was a backward ignorant poor person who had to hunt squirrels as a kid to survive.

Context is everything.
TMJesse

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Feb 2, 2013 - 12:02am PT
Come to think about it, some here may wish to minimize or divert what this thread is really intended to be because it exposes them and their heroes as perpetrators. Exposure to and knowledge by enemies is never good. Again, good job!
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Feb 2, 2013 - 12:06am PT
And speaking of context, caricaturing a person for how they act is one thing. Doing so based on how they were born through no fault of their own, is something quite different.

Obama can be criticized for many things, as can any president or person in a position of responsibility, liberals have in fact been some of his harshest critics. When you go after his race, then you're a racist not a political commentator.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Feb 2, 2013 - 12:12am PT
Satire is satire. Take or leave it.

The Realist


The “Realist” article was titled “The Parts That Were Left Out of the Kennedy Book.” The “parts” included a scene with soon-to-be-inaugurated President Lyndon Johnson caught buggering the corpse of President Kennedy in its casket by Jackie Kennedy. To be more exact, the article stated that LBJ was humping the bullet-hole wound in JFK’s throat.

Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Feb 2, 2013 - 12:37am PT
An example that is disgusting and tasteless but not racist.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 2, 2013 - 04:24am PT
Kinda fun thinking about ol' Donald lurking away while jerking his chubby and not being able to throw garbage!?!

Lurking and jerking, jerking and lurking....




Credit: survival
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Feb 2, 2013 - 08:21am PT
What if that exact same squirrel were used to take similar jabs at a white President?


Yeah Chaz, let's play the "what if" game, because we haven't got the balls to play the "what is" game.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Feb 2, 2013 - 08:41am PT



OT you say?

Even Nixon was anti-fire


Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Feb 3, 2013 - 09:10am PT
Jeez zBrown, I'd almost forgotten about the Berkeley Barb. I used to read it occasionally.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Feb 3, 2013 - 11:28am PT
Credit: Dr. F.

It makes me a stronger person because I realize that adhering to my ideals and opinions is what is important to me, on this forum or elsewhere.

adhering to ideas and opinions that are wrong and ugly is very stupid way to live a life
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