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dirt claud
Social climber
san diego,ca
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Jan 21, 2013 - 02:04pm PT
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Damned. I havn't played video games in while. They got some awesome graphics now days.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Jan 21, 2013 - 02:04pm PT
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Hold on i have not finished photo shopping Babsy Bush ass rapping Poppy with a black strap on.
It will be so realistic. You will love it. Just making fun of looks though.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jan 21, 2013 - 03:48pm PT
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jan 21, 2013 - 11:33am PT
I will add my congratulations to the President, and to all those who voted for him. He won fair and square, and I hope he can deliver on his promises of a better country. I will, of course, continue to express my opinion on how he best can do that, though!
I don't think today is a day to attack him. Instead, it's a day to recognize that he is the President of all of us in the United States, to wish him well, and to celebrate that we live in a country that changes governments peacefully, and without retribution.
Let the party continue.
John
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jan 21, 2013 - 03:53pm PT
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Hard to believe you two are in the same Party, Donald.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Jan 21, 2013 - 04:02pm PT
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From the title, I thought this was going to be a Donald Trump retrospective.
Sadie celebrates yesterday by shaking one like a Terrier.
Don't get this dog around anything resembling a rat...mice, moles, voles, gophers. She'll dig till she gets a mole, your yard will look like a bomb went off. She's a rodent shaking machine that will go off. The squirrel is almost as big as her.
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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Jan 21, 2013 - 05:32pm PT
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Go get you some for dinner, ehh?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jan 21, 2013 - 06:00pm PT
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Four more years, Donald.
FOUR MORE YEARS.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jan 21, 2013 - 06:04pm PT
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jan 21, 2013 - 06:14pm PT
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coons?
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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Jan 21, 2013 - 06:46pm PT
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I prefer racism to show itself rather than hide from all of us. Thanks. Good job.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Jan 21, 2013 - 06:50pm PT
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"Prediction: Obama will resign from office before his term is up."
Nope. He's young and healthy, going the distance.
I think it was said after the last election as well, goes like this:
“I’m tired now of the elections,” Bush said at a forum on America’s first ladies. “People spoke. Move on, get on with it. I want to do other things and not to be ugly.”
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jan 21, 2013 - 06:57pm PT
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"Prediction: Obama will resign from office before his term is up."
That would be interesting. Could he appoint Coulter/Armstrong to serve is his stead (assuming Biden would resign with Obama of course).
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Jan 22, 2013 - 09:21am PT
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Bump for rabies
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Jan 22, 2013 - 10:13am PT
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jan 31, 2013 - 11:06pm PT
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non null bump for t* and Donald Thompson
bring Donald back
did you notice that t* are the first two letters of Donald's last name
I wonder if his dog can drive a car?
jus' wonderin'
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jan 31, 2013 - 11:52pm PT
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Donald, have you ever asked yourself what the loss to SuperTopo forum would be if you never posted on it again?
I, for one, do not see how it would be worse with your absence.
It certainly isn't better.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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I could leave the forum
request all my contributions be eliminated
and perhaps no one would notice at all
and if I were to do it, as many good friends have, it would be because of people like you, Donald.
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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Exposing bigots is always preferred to letting them hide.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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tmjesse said: "Exposing bigots is always preferred to letting them hide. "
You pulled the "racist" card out earlier, I looked and didn't see it then, or now: can you copy and paste and/or post a link that shows racism or bigotry on this thread? Otherwise, I'm calling bullshit on your bullsh#t.
PS, not that Link, he's retired.
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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I'll let the thread speak for itself; no documentation needed. Who said who was a racist? Are you reading something I am not?
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jan 31, 2013 - 09:36pm PT
I could leave the forum
request all my contributions be eliminated
and perhaps no one would notice at all
Think about it. Alot of folks here, myself definitely included, play around on the ST.
Dr. Hartouni makes posts that have and will continue to have historical merit and value. I can't say I've read all his posts, but I've yet to see a frivolous one.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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it is a choice, and one has to consider why one would participate with people like you, Donald.
It isn't overwrought, it is just deciding that some people posting to the STForum make the environment sufficiently negative that it isn't worth the effort contribute to it anymore. And the past contributions being the result of individual effort, are subject to the wishes of the author, I believe. If that author decided that those few individuals provide an environment on the STForum which he does not deem an appropriate association for that work, he is free to pull it from the Forum.
You see, it's a social contract at some level. While one can continue to post what they want to in a manner they want, they have no control over who leaves the Forum. If people are to stick around, there is some sort of agreement among them all regarding the limits of acceptable behavior, not in a formal manner, but in a manner agreed upon by that society.
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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In fact ,as a person , I am just as good or as bad as the next person, including yourself.
This is what makes ST what it is. I agree!
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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^stop kidding around Ed!
Though, on my own behalf and numerous others, kidding around serves a purpose.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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You seem to miss the point entirely, Donald, and that is not unexpected, in some regards.
This is a "Climber's Forum," and while there are no requirements to post about climbing, I'd say that a fair number of people who post here do so because of the climbing content, to some extent.
Certainly there is a lot of chatter about other things too, we liken it to campfire talk, and it's different than the climbing talk. But the reason there is a "campfire" at all is because we're together to climb. That is a "society," a community. Part of that community activity is contributing what you have, you don't have too, of course, but perhaps you're willing to provide an opinion regarding something you know about that could be useful... some detail about auto repair, photography hints, writing style.
You might also have been somewhere someone else would like to know about, you contribute your experience, your knowledge. Of course, it is reciprocal, in the best of sense of community, you also benefit from other members' experience, advice, etc. As far as I know, nothing compels us to contribute, there are no rules requiring quid pro quo. However, it is certainly possible that some individuals become disenchanted with the behavior of other individuals, and might leave a particular campfire seeking another.
The reason could be entirely due to the fact that one person pisses the other person off, that is an individual choice, after all, to be pissed off and decide to seek other associations. Now the entire campfire community suffers, or not, depends on who is pissed off and who is pissing that person off. And the community can decide to take appropriate action. What would be wrong with that?
You are at liberty to act however you wish, but you cannot be surprised if a large number of people, members of this community, react negatively if that is warranted. You certainly have a right to remain on the STForum posting whatever you will in whatever manner you do even if you are the last person sitting around the campfire doing it.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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That others who disagree with me will unfairly and wrongly claim that I am a fascist, bigot, homophobe, (or possibly homosexual), rascist, and finally that I am making people leave this forum. All these claims have been made within the last 24 hrs.
Hey, I hope you're not talking about me. I never claimed you were any of those things. I have no idea whether you are homophobic, homosexual, racist or bigoted. Nor did I claim you had made anyone leave this forum. All I said was that, like jhedge, you were a selfish as#@&%e with no regard for anyone other than yourself. (I like your dog pictures, though).
Now, I could be wrong. But the problem is that all I have to go by is the evidence of your posts here, and they paint a fairly negative picture. Maybe you are the decent guy you say you are -- your dog looks like a happy camper -- but Ed's right about one thing: it would do you no harm to ask yourself what the loss to SuperTopo forum would be if you never posted on it again.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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This guy's been around here for a couple years now. I recognize him by the notch of fur missing toward the end of his tail.
The squirrels are In The Rut right now. They're either mating, fighting, or both at the same time.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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It makes me a stronger person because I realize that adhering to my ideals and opinions is what is important to me, on this forum or elsewhere.
Keep posting low rent squirrel manips. It's what you do best. You are a true patriot. You are making a difference. Carry on...
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Donald, at a campfire you would likely get punched in the nose...
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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naw... I get the feeling he's smart enough to not be a dick around a campfire.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Donald, the fact that you do not recognize the community is because you are not a part of it, and have not been a part of it. Once again I wonder why you post here at all. But here you are...
...and while you can fantasize about this being a group of individuals and so no other requirement for participation is needed but to let your own stuff just hang out, I find it hard to believe you could seriously suggest that there are no requirements but those of good ol' "pedestrian society" to point our way. Once again, I take it that you are largely unfamiliar with climbers as a group, unless that group is at the local gym, you're observation may be accurate in that case. My observation is that even there there is a bit beyond "pedestrian society."
But you are a tiresome bug... and one unwilling to accept the consequences of your own actions.
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dirtbag
climber
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I honestly have no idea what this thread is about.
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Bullwinkle
Boulder climber
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"Quite the contrary . I happen to do things that people like around the campfire."
Gee Donny, Your knee pads must take quite a beating around those, campfires.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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oh, so now you're saying that there is a community? a commonality of ideas here?
why do you think I'm ratting you out? persecution complex? I'm just saying people make choices, people make the SuperTopoForum, if they decide it's no longer for them, they move on... some of those people I valued having the opportunity to interact with in this community and now they've decided it isn't worth it because of the recent tone, a tone that you help to set.
You notice, or perhaps you choose not to, that I try to address your arguments. Your last post seems to be venturing into some strange space... you are accusing me of being ideological, and of an ideology in disagreement with your own, and to justify the validity of your stance.
That is not what I have been saying.
What I have been saying, perhaps more simply, is that the SuperTopoForum is a community of climbers who have been interacting together for about a decade. The popularity of the forum has attracted a lot of participants. The tone of the Forum, perhaps reflecting the tone of the nation as a whole, has become rather negative especially when discussing non-climbing issues.
That negative tone has lead many long time members of the community to leave, at a loss to the community in my opinion. You have had a role in this.
You can deny it, you can deny it is important, you can deny that you have exceeded the boundaries of "pedestrian society," but you cannot deny the truth that people have left, at least in part, because of what you contribute and the tone you set while contributing.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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I agree Dirtbag, what is this thread about?
Ed, why waste any time with Donald, he probably suffers from the DTs.
Chaz, love the GI Joe pic.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Furthermore I expect you to be diligent in that regard in future -out of evenhandedness, if for not other reason.
So, Donald, what is your best post to this Forum? what if you decided to take it down? what would be lost? You have set yourself up as some sort of referee to ensure that the STForum is "fair and balanced" when none was needed.
You have contributed only incidentally to the climbing content.
As you point out, there is no requirements for participation, your demand for "evenhandedness" is silly and self serving. Where I have engaged in debate with others on a large number of topics, I have sought to be respectful even when I strongly disagree, and let the argument of the point be the topic, rather than the person, even when I suspect the posts were intended to be personal.
You don't seem to have a capacity to rise above the personal, and seem to actually revel in wallowing in that.
If you have important points to make, you should try to make them in a civil manner without resort to name calling and all that, even in the face of it by your supposed opponents, that is what I would expect of you... perhaps you should even try to be respectful.
...though not a requirement certainly. However, my main recourse when discovering a "buggy" place is to avoid it in the future, I cannot eliminate the world of bugs.
As for the others, well you might see what they contribute along the lines of the general topical area covered by SuperTopo Forum, which is associated with a series of guidebooks describing climbs in areas throughout the western US and Alaska...
Not that I need to justify my choice of who I'd reprimand for intransigent behavior, those who post in the spirit of climbing their climbing experiences are worthy of some degree of leniency in their choice of topics.
Why is that so?
Because they give something to the climbing community here, they participate and have interesting and important things to say about climbing... they earn the right to mouth off about some other stuff because the bring it on the important, central topic of our reason for being here: climbing.
You don't bring anything to the table in that regard. And it is not that your own viewpoint is abhorrent to the threads you choose to post to, your manner of delivery can be.
In my view, nothing would be lost if you ceased to post on SuperTopoForum, especially in the manner that you choose to post in.
If you would like to explore this further, offer up your most proud thread and wonder what would happen if it were eliminated, would it detract from the quality of the Forum?
Here are two that I have created over the years that took a lot of personal time to realize:
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=268647
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=28891
which I have real trouble imagining eliminating if I were to leave on account of people like you.
What are your proud posts?
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Gilroy
Social climber
Bolderado
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Muchas gracias, Senor Hartouni, for focusing on improving the community.
Always.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Too bad you couldn't sell a few million more on being as blind as you Don.....
Better luck next time loser.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Thank You CMac for lancing that unsightly boil.
And a most appreciative thank you to the good Dr, Hartouni for providing the logic for that lancing.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Ron is a big fan of Don.
But Ron seems to have a better sense of humor.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Ron.... good point.
So it seems like if someone dosen't tow the party line...
They get jumped on ... by a gang of ST posters
Pretty sad
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Interesting.
I know that DT could get the resident political shriekers riled up, but then, they can be fairly nasty themselves, so as long as it was all kept to the "Republicans wrong" trainwreck, who cares.
But he (and some of them) just can't keep it there, among themselves, and I think that's probably what got him booted. A pretty good example is the thread a couple of days ago, in which some of Mighty Hiker's friends were expressing worry that he might not be okay. There was some light-hearted banter, but it was obviously a matter of real concern.
Then, in stomped DT and jhedge, caring nothing at all about either Anders or those of us who were worried about him. They took over the thread, as they have done on other threads, focused soley on calling each other out. Now, I suppose it can be kind of funny watching two as#@&%es argue about which of them is the bigger as#@&%e, but that's what the "Republicans wrong" thread is for.
I don't know if that is why he got tossed this morning, but it is a good a reason as any, and I hope it acts as a warning light to others.
I don't care if a poster here is a climber or not. If s/he makes a net positive impact, then s/he can shriek all day and all night at other like-minded folk on the "Who's the biggest as#@&%e" thread. But to spill that kind of behavior into the rest of the conversations here is a good reason for loss of posting privileges. Are you listening jhedge? Philo? et al? Unleash your anger at one another on the appropriate thread, but when you join the rest of us outside that thread, show respect for the people you're sharing this stupid place with.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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YOU Philo,, might try re-reading this a few times over.
Ron you are most correct. I have been rude on the forum, very rude indeed. In fact I may at times have been one of the rudest SOBs on the forum. But only to those few who i deemed had earned my most un-decorous behavior through their recalcitrant ignorance in the face of repeatedly and respectfully presented facts. I have hurled some major loads at you in the past. But then again on more than one occasion you and I have agreed on a thread and treated each other most respectfully.
That is not an uncommon theme amongst Taco posters and is one of the things that makes SuperTopo so rich and rewarding. Cheers to all and I am sorry if i pissed any one off too much.
I humbly suggest that most of what i post be viewed with a tongue in cheek perspective and the understanding that I am all but incapable of avoiding puns and word play.
Mr Hartouni sir, I salute you!
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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TMJesse asked: "I'll let the thread speak for itself; no documentation needed. Who said who was a racist? Are you reading something I am not?"
Now I'm confused. You pulled the racist card. Did you not? The OP had posted a pic of the President with a squirel in front of him, Right underneath, you posted a pic of what appears to be a group of southern crackers with the statement: "Go get you some for dinner, ehh?". Then your next post said: "I prefer racism to show itself rather than hide from all of us. Thanks. Good job." Clearly you are calling...probably Donald Thompson, a racist. You said:"I prefer racism to show itself rather than hide from all of us. Thanks. Good job."
Now you add: "Who said who was a racist? Are you reading something I am not?".
Did you walk away from a computer you were logged into Jesse? I'm just going by what you wrote. Can you copy paste the post that made you say - "I prefer racism to show itself rather than hide from all of us. Thanks. Good job." I didn't see it, then or now.
regards
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Ed, please don't be so hurt. I realize that on this forum, it's OK to bag on Bush or republicans, and you'll get a free pass, but not to say anything negative about any democrats or (especially) the President. But please try and open your mind. If another's ignorance and stupidity bother you, you can resort to the old tried and true method of "DON'T CLICK THE LINK".
You can count, for instance, the amount of times I've posted on Dr F's "republicans are horrible wretched creature thread quite easily. It has over 30,000 posts, I don't choose to read the stupidity that gets bantered back and forth. So I go old school and "DON'T CLICK THE LINK". My life is thus better. I enjoy alternative viewpoints, and have had some spirited discourse with Craig and Phil, liberals both. Not on that thread however. Waste of time.
If I had to choose you or Donald, it's YOU all the way. But I'd hope that you don't get so wrapped up in some squirrels dude.
Sadie likes squirrels. But she cannot read. Ergo, she doesn't click the links, but shakes them if she can catch them and her life is immensely better without the computer. The squirrels are doing better staying on top of the fence.
Unfortunately, by posting here, we are both giving DT a boost. The fastest way to make it stop is for folks to don't post on a thread they disapprove of.
Regards
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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I realize that on this forum, it's OK to bag on Bush or republicans, you'll get a free pass, but not on any democrats or the President. But try and open your mind. If anothers ignorance and stupidity bother you, DON'T CLICK THE LINK.
I haven't bagged on Bush, and I probably said why, we the people elect the president, who ever that is we have an obligation to work with the administration for the best of the country. While I do not agree on every policy issue of every administration, in my current job I still need to provide the best input to the government, who ever that might be...
...in fact, it's not a "who" but it is an "us," once again we elected that government.
You accuse me of having a closed mind, but that is not at all how I see it... I would believe that Donald could have made his points in a respectful, intellectual manner, but did not choose to take the "high road." I have no problem with his espousing his point of view, I do have a problem when it is done with disrespect.
The OP of this thread, and the many prods by Donald in it, is disrespectful to a very high degree and it does so as an intentional provocation. That is not necessary, in my opinion, and I said so. I have debated Donald on other threads, I do not agree with him but I respect that he has an opinion and I sought to learn the basis of that opinion.
And it is not just a matter of "not clicking." Your favorite Trad climbing area can still be climbed in that manner even if it is grid-rap-bolted... just don't clip the bolts, right?! Though you might not seek that spot out after it has been so treated.
When their is intentional baiting using offensive and disrespectful posts, this thread being an example, we can certainly challenge it, and do so respectfully.
Perhaps I have been remiss in not doing so in other threads... but so be it.
But close minded? I don't think so... can you provide an explanation of that statement?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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That does it, I'm going to start hunting and eating squirrels. Any advice, suggestions? I know there have been some cases of the plaque up here, but I'm thinking some rubber gloves curing skinning/cleaning should do the trick.
Best vid I've found on the subject
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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and the vid IS the way to clean a skeewarel..
Ron, I just realized that you are the guy to go to with this question. Should have thought of you before, because it's been bugging me for a while. Here's the deal: Wes asking about the best way to skin a squirrel reminded me that I've read (in a serious book) that the best/easiest way to skin a rabbit is to get the pump you use to blow up basketballs (bike pump with the needle attached), insert the needle down around the ankle, and pump. Skin supposedly blows up like a balloon and can then be removed easily.
So, first, is that true?
And second, if it is true, does it work on squirrels?
And FWIW, I skinned a few squirrels back when I was a teenager working in the bush, but I didn't really have any clue about how it ought to be done. A sharp knife and some pulling and tugging.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Strange....I don't miss Donald yet.......
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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So is DT banned? Or am I reading something wrong?
And I thought I read on another thread that the squirrel thread was nuked?
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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The squirrel thread was nuked in the sense of huge pic nuke by t*r, not delete nuke.
And DT is banned, just click on his avatar.
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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I prefer racism to show itself rather than hide from all of us. Thanks. Good job.
I meant it and stand by it. Either you're blind or you are ignorant. Ever heard of the KKK? This thread appears on Inauguration/MLK Day? The lights are on and everyone can see all around us.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Innaguration Day was January 20th.
The 21st was Obama's Celebration Day.
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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I stand corrected, then. But, the public celebration of the event was held on Monday/MLK instead of Sunday, as other such inaugurations have been held when the 20th falls on a Sunday.
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The 21st was Obama's Celebration Day.
I cannot find any official mention of such a title to that day. Please share your source.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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The 21st was called the public Inauguration Day this year.
The 20 was the official swearing in date, because the oath must be taken before noon on the 20. The inauguration ceremony is pushed to Monday if the 20th is a Sunday.
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John M
climber
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But only to those few who i deemed had earned my most un-decorous behavior
This is where you make a mistake Philo. If others want to follow a thread or discuss a topic that you are polluting with your hate and disgust, then we have to wade through that hate and disgust.
Now me.. I don't mind the occasional fight. Sometimes its needed to clear the air. But the constant hate.. That I get tired of and tired of wading through it. I admit to having spread some of my own, but I am trying to do better and not go at it constantly. I wish you would try to do the same.
Jhedge too.
DT is gone.. Good
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Quoted: "I meant it and stand by it. Either you're blind or you are ignorant. Ever heard of the KKK? This thread appears on Inauguration/MLK Day? The lights are on and everyone can see all around us."
Maybe I am blind. But I notice that you can't find the requested quote. It seems to me that it would be more productive if instead of thinking "Oh, criticism (Ie that in this case his policy's like DT's "National squirrel day" are do nothing) of the President? he's black, ergo, RACIST!!!". You could have better argued that sweeping issues are being fixed that will make our country stronger. Iraq, Afghanistan, health care. Then argue those specifically.
BTW, the President named it "National Day of Hope and Resolve" day. Which is competing against National Squirrel day". http://www.indecisionforever.com/blog/2013/01/21/barack-obama-competes-against-squirrel-appreciation-day
Thought I'd pitch that out there. Maybe that will get twisted by someone too. OMG HE MUST MEAN "Hate a Cracker Day, or F WHITY IN THE a day. Its to compensate for national squirrel day which we all know is nothing but a veiled racist term and reinitializing slavery.
NOT. Get a grip.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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If you are sincere then maybe we have made some progress in this country.
Some of us however, are old enough to have lived through the era of church bombings, police dogs attacking people sitting and singing hymns in the street, Civil rights marchers both black and white being murdered and buried in levies and all white southern juries freeing the killers who sneered at the families of the dead. To some of us, racism is a vivid recollection and we want no part of any hint of it.
Choosing a squirrel as a symbol for a Black president is one step better than a coon but close enough for those of us with memories of that era. There is no doubt in my mind that Donald was making racist slurs and I'm appalled that people got so offended over boobs (a thread that was clearly and honestly labeled) and mostly let slide the one on squirrels.
Donald deserved to be banned for his racism if nothing else.
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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Whew! Thank you.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jan writes:
"Choosing a squirrel as a symbol for a Black president is one step better than a coon but close enough for those of us with memories of that era."
What if that exact same squirrel were used to take similar jabs at a white President? Then it wouldn't be a racist attack. Would it?
A quick Google Immages search will turn up a bunch of pictures of the last President and that exact same squirrel looking just as foolish as Obama.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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If the same squirrel image is used on a white president, I would say there would be different connotations depending on what region of the country they come from. If they were from the high western desert, most people including themselves, would likely scratch their heads at the meaning of the reference.
If it was a white southern president then it would definitely be taken by him and everyone in that region as an insult, not to race but to background indicating that the cartoonist thought he was a backward ignorant poor person who had to hunt squirrels as a kid to survive.
Context is everything.
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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Come to think about it, some here may wish to minimize or divert what this thread is really intended to be because it exposes them and their heroes as perpetrators. Exposure to and knowledge by enemies is never good. Again, good job!
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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And speaking of context, caricaturing a person for how they act is one thing. Doing so based on how they were born through no fault of their own, is something quite different.
Obama can be criticized for many things, as can any president or person in a position of responsibility, liberals have in fact been some of his harshest critics. When you go after his race, then you're a racist not a political commentator.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Satire is satire. Take or leave it.
The Realist
The “Realist” article was titled “The Parts That Were Left Out of the Kennedy Book.” The “parts” included a scene with soon-to-be-inaugurated President Lyndon Johnson caught buggering the corpse of President Kennedy in its casket by Jackie Kennedy. To be more exact, the article stated that LBJ was humping the bullet-hole wound in JFK’s throat.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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An example that is disgusting and tasteless but not racist.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Kinda fun thinking about ol' Donald lurking away while jerking his chubby and not being able to throw garbage!?!
Lurking and jerking, jerking and lurking....
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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OT you say?
Even Nixon was anti-fire
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jeez zBrown, I'd almost forgotten about the Berkeley Barb. I used to read it occasionally.
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