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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 30, 2012 - 07:55pm PT
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Always a fun time when the hooks come out to play.
Post your hook shots!
Monster hooks.
Big hooks.
Weird hooks.
Shaky hooks.
Bomber hooks...
Let's see what you have!
For starters here's one of Mark Hudon's that held a 50 footer on the Coral Sea of Native Son.
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prickle
Gym climber
globe,az
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Dec 30, 2012 - 07:55pm PT
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does the tape really help?
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 30, 2012 - 08:03pm PT
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Prickle...
It does reduce the wiggling around factor as you move off it and the rope tends to move the piece.
But the second needs to CLEAN UP after the leader!
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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Dec 30, 2012 - 08:27pm PT
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I think Cheyne removed the hook and then decided that he wanted to photograph it and replaced it but didn't move the tape. I originally had it taped down. For this particular placement, I can't say the tape helped, I can't say it hurt either. All I really wanted was that it held the hook in place and not allow it to fall out on it's own.
Cheyne, didn't leave the tape there, you can bet on that!
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prickle
Gym climber
globe,az
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Dec 30, 2012 - 08:30pm PT
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thanks guys, I'm trying to learn..
i've used em for pro on trad routes but tied them to the ground, maybe i'll tape em' next time which won't put as much downward force on them.
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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Dec 30, 2012 - 08:32pm PT
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Here's another one, this time it's Cheyne's hook. He left the hook for protection, the tape made sure the hook didn't fall off the placement. In that regard, and for this hook, the tape certain did its job.
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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Dec 30, 2012 - 08:39pm PT
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On the crux of Lost in America. Aside from evidence that the flake this hook was on had broken recently, I wasn't too worried since the fall was only a swing sideways onto the anchor not far away.
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 30, 2012 - 08:44pm PT
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Cheyne, didn't leave the tape there, you can bet on that!
Ha! I would NEVER presume otherwise from a Hudon ascent!
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Dec 30, 2012 - 08:57pm PT
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So any time I see a hook topic here I post up my "KS-1" model. Specifically designed for hooking micro flakes without applying outward force or prying action, it's milled from 6061 T6. It's not super durable and certainly won't hold a fall but it has served me well hooking to drill on thin granite face climbs.
Here it is in action at Courtright Reservoir.
Here's Rincon Rob being a happy hooker on Mescalito...
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prickle
Gym climber
globe,az
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Dec 30, 2012 - 08:57pm PT
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Thanks for the pics Mark. How you guys stop and take pics amazes me, i'd be shittin'!
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prickle
Gym climber
globe,az
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Dec 30, 2012 - 08:59pm PT
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WOW that KS1 hook is SUPER RAD!
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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Dec 30, 2012 - 08:59pm PT
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Regan was coming up after us and I told him that I was going to clean every piece of tat off the route. I didn't want to hose him so I told him about my 5 mil tat cleaning cord and that he should go out and get one. Later, emailing with him about the climb, he mentioned that the cleaning cord trick was totally slick and that he was going to have one with him on all his future climbs.
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guido
Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
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Dec 30, 2012 - 09:02pm PT
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Hey Mark, is that "Gorilla" tape or your newly patented "Bad Ass Tape?"
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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Dec 30, 2012 - 09:05pm PT
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Gorilla tape, I've approached them for sponsorship though ;-)
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 30, 2012 - 09:06pm PT
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Ksolem...
I still think that is a sweet pice of equipment! Should be duplicated...
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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Dec 30, 2012 - 09:11pm PT
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A #1 Tomahawk in a hole.
I though this hole would be a cool nut placement but there wasn't enough distance behind the flake for the nut to fit. I tried a regular hook but the hole was too thin. This Tomahawk fit perfectly!
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 30, 2012 - 10:14pm PT
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Here's an old ring angle claw I have from BITD...
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Captain...or Skully
climber
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Dec 30, 2012 - 10:19pm PT
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Taped down hooks are bullsh#t. If you need tape, you're already wrong.
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Prod
Trad climber
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Dec 30, 2012 - 10:20pm PT
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Taped down hooks are bullsh#t.
Why?
Prod.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Dec 30, 2012 - 10:23pm PT
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I remember on Mescalito, somewhere up there I came across a rurp in a horizontal placement. All that was showing was the eye sticking out, no wire or tat in it. It made a perfect placement for the small hook on the talon.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Dec 30, 2012 - 10:26pm PT
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I'm hooked!!!!!
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Scott Thelen
Trad climber
Truckee, Ca
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Dec 30, 2012 - 10:26pm PT
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Whatever you have to do to talk yourself into something.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
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Dec 30, 2012 - 10:30pm PT
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Complete bullsh#t, that tape.... Hooks aren't Pro. They were never meant to be.
Straighten out yer petticoats & move the f*#k up. You'll get something after a while.
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 30, 2012 - 10:40pm PT
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Still looking for the REALLY BIG ARSE hooks!
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Scott Thelen
Trad climber
Truckee, Ca
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Dec 30, 2012 - 10:44pm PT
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ryankelly
Trad climber
el portal
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Dec 30, 2012 - 11:12pm PT
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I'm an inexperienced and amateur hooker, but it sure is fun.
I'm too slow and scared on walls to photograph placements, but I think I might start.
What else ya got superotopo?
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 30, 2012 - 11:59pm PT
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Hell, I don't care if their just "on my rack" shots... let's see what you carry in the hooking department.
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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Dec 31, 2012 - 12:08am PT
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A #3 Pecker, hand placed, acting more like a hook than anything else.
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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Dec 31, 2012 - 12:12am PT
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Hook vs. Heads.
Hook wins, Max took those heads out. (LIA crux pitch)
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Dec 31, 2012 - 01:40am PT
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I’m with Skully. Taping a hook to the wall to leave as pro is total bullsh#t. The only case where this might be ok is when you have a fat hook wrapped over a bomber flake, like in the first photo that Plastic posted. A Fish hook would work well in such a case, as well as the Pika hook pictured.
Why is taping a hook to the wall bullsh#t? Because hooks are not meant to hold falls – just body weight. If you fall on a small- or medium-sized hook (anything smaller than a fatty Fish hook or the like…) the hook will likely blow out the rock, rendering the hook placement useless for future use. Then what are you going to do? Pull out the drill and place a rivet? The hook will probably bend open in a fall too, making the hook itself useless for future use… that is, until you pound on it with your hammer to get it back to the proper shape.
So… Don’t leave hooks taped to the wall!!! You’re just asking to make a mess of things and screw up the route! Don’t leave hooks taped to the wall!!!
(I was meaning to post something in regard to this issue on the Stupid Questions about Aid Climbing thread but never got around to it.)
Still looking for the REALLY BIG ARSE hooks!
Skully’s got one – the “Meat Hook” by Vermin.
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 31, 2012 - 01:46am PT
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I guess I would never view a hook (taped or not) as real pro I could look back on and feel comfy about. I see taping as a way to keep the hook in place as I move onto another sketch piece just in case I drop a few feet onto it.
Not sure if that made any sense...
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Dec 31, 2012 - 01:53am PT
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… in case I drop a few feet onto it.
Same deal as what I just mentioned above. Once you commit to the next piece, you want to remove the lower hook from the rock ASAP. Taking a daisy fall onto a hook is even worse.
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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Dec 31, 2012 - 02:02am PT
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I have a pair of ring hooks from Russ as well, but can't find a pic of them at the moment. These were a pain in the ass to find.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
bouldering
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Dec 31, 2012 - 02:43am PT
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TAPE!!! TAPE!!! TAPE!!!
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Slinky00
Trad climber
Carson City, NV
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Dec 31, 2012 - 03:25am PT
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This is an awesome thread!
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Evel
Trad climber
Nedsterdam CO
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Dec 31, 2012 - 09:55am PT
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Vermin Hooks rule! The Meat Hook will go around your neck. Or your partners neck....
Working on a pic. Geez gimme a sec.
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kaitb
Big Wall climber
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Dec 31, 2012 - 11:10am PT
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Wings of Steel. Dime size edges.
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kaitb
Big Wall climber
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Dec 31, 2012 - 11:17am PT
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martygarrison
Trad climber
Washington DC
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Dec 31, 2012 - 11:36am PT
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Mark, about this 50' fall. Do tell....
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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Dec 31, 2012 - 11:54am PT
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Well, I was probably 3/4 done with the pitch, all hooks on potato chip flakes and heads behind thin, lose and hollow sounding flakes, I looked at leaving a sling on a good looking flake but realized that if it pulled, it would pull a big ol honkin block with it, much like Marcus on Tribal Rite last spring.
Anyway, I reached high off a head or something to a hook that I couldn't quite see or feel well. When I got on it I could see that it was okay but really not in the best spot on the edge. Up and off to the right was a large head in a legitimate head placement. I leaned over, clipped it and bounced it as well as I could considering that it was well off to the side and the quality of the hook I was on. It held so I got on it. I could see a good crack above and I was happy that I was finally going to get a good piece. As I was climbing up my steps, the head pulled.
The first thing clipped below me was a smallish head with a Scream Aid on it. The Scream Aid fully deployed and the head pulled. The next thing was the Meat Hook on a large but hollow sounding flake. The Scream Aid fully deployed but the hook held. If It had pulled I'd probably be dead now, I stopped about 20-25 feet above a ledge.
The fall was very fast, I remember feeling the hook pull and then stopping, that's it, nothing in between.
It didn't bother me a bit. I immediately raged back up the pitch, using all the same hooks and heads as before, avoided the head that had pulled via a hook and then placed the same sketchy hook as before and welded a head into the spot where the one had pulled. Bounced it, got on it, and hammered a good Pecker behind a flake.
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 31, 2012 - 12:32pm PT
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kaitb...
NOW WE'RE TALKIN'!!!
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Texplorer
Trad climber
Sacramento
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Dec 31, 2012 - 12:36pm PT
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Bad ass Hudon. I remember seeing this pic and hearing you fell on it and thinking that it was interesting that a hook held a fall like that. I didn't know the full details behind the fall.
I took a short static fall onto a standard BD skyhook on Zodiac just before the anchor on one of the grey circle pitches. It held but almost totally straightened the hook. After some hammering and levering I got it back to it's original shape and still use it. After this incident however, I was under the impression relying on a a hook to catch you was not something to count on. I suppose the placement is key . . . and not taking static falls probably helps too.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Dec 31, 2012 - 12:39pm PT
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1: RIPPED HOOKS
I have ascended a fair number of routes in the Black almost all of them in the pre-cam days. In all that time the Canyon scared me enough that falling never seemed like an option. I have in fact only had two falls off those walls both from ripped hooks.
The second one was a terrifying but harmless wiff off the Hallucinogen. But the first was a doozie of a plummet off of the Hooker. I was climbing into the unprotected pegmatite crux with my friend and partner Dave Henritze belaying. I was feeling controlled and confident even though my last piece of a pro, a good wired stopper, was with every move up quickly fading from sight. There was still a long way to go before good pro would be available which I must say really sharpend my awareness. Soon I came to the climb's namesake the dubious free-pro hook placement. I didn't have any tape to secure the little bugger but I placed and clipped it any way. As soon as I started to move on the nasty thing started to wiggle and pivot. I thought that can't be good. The oh so brilliant idea came to me that I should "set" it in place. so I slowly eased my weight on it relieved to see it actually holding. Then I bounced on it a little while still holding on the rock. It stayed put. So I put a good solid drop on it to try and somewhat fix it. The little metal devil immediately ripped hitting me smack in the teeth. I proceeded at an alarming rate straight down the wall head first. Did I mention that in those days to save weight only the belayer wore a helmet. Well this was obviously not a good situation. I started thinking of all the things I hadn't screwed up at yet and it seemed I had a looong time to think.
I am not at all sure how long of a fall I took But it was far and away the most air time I have ever logged. I ended up hanging in space still head down alternately staring wide eyed at the river directly below and My belayer directly to my left. Dave had never seen me fall before and didn't expect it I am sure. So I don't know which of us looked more like a deer in the headlights but his eyes were fairly bulging out of his head. Mine were only kept in place by the glasses strapped to my face. Well as it all worked out I was absolutely un harmed and un scathed. But very very dazed! My family jewels had been sucked up so hard that I thought I felt them squeezing my Adam's apple out of the way. Needless to say we retreated.
That hook was the only possible pro for 60+ feet of serious climbing on pegmatite.
Wish I would have had tape on it!
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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Dec 31, 2012 - 12:56pm PT
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I was not counting on it holding, I was hoping it would, I was figuring that it might help.
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Tfish
Trad climber
La Crescenta, CA
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Dec 31, 2012 - 01:33pm PT
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2 hooking pics.
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E
Social climber
Tujunga CA.
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Dec 31, 2012 - 02:06pm PT
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summit shot of hands and hook after AO
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E
Social climber
Tujunga CA.
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Dec 31, 2012 - 02:37pm PT
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Timebomb Hourglass
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Russ Walling
Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
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Dec 31, 2012 - 02:43pm PT
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 31, 2012 - 03:04pm PT
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Thanks Russ! Those get the juices flowin'
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Nilepoc
Boulder climber
Tx
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Dec 31, 2012 - 04:07pm PT
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Hope this works, my iPad was rotating all the photos.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Dec 31, 2012 - 04:32pm PT
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Does this thread prove that climbers are all in need of serious psychiatric intervention?
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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Dec 31, 2012 - 04:55pm PT
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So far for me, the best string of hooks has been on the top of the Sun and Steel pitch on Shortest Straw. The fall is clean but the hooks are small and far apart (for me).
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E
Social climber
Tujunga CA.
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this pitch used to have a fearsome rep....but with the hook selection available today............PDL
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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ARgghhh! E calls the most dangerous pitch of my life Pretty Damn Lite! I'm taking up knitting!
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scooter
climber
fist clamp
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I would have to say the crux of Lost In America doesn't exist anymore. The Fly or Die pitch has one to two chicken bolts right in the crux. Making it more like tricky placements behind fragile flakes with bolts for pro. There were 2-3 pitches that seemed more dangerous to me.
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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Yeah, the Fly or Die pitch is really screwed up. That 3/8" bolt in the middle of it should be removed. Who the hell placed that? That didn't really kill it though, the fixed heads did, it's just a head ladder clip up now.
The pitch marked the current crux in the ST book is not too bad at all aside from a lose block in the middle.
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Rhodo-Router
Gym climber
sawatch choss
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Great story philo. Perhaps it should serve as the subject of a cartoon?
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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Cheyne on Shortest Straw, feeling the psych for the Meat Hook!
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prickle
Gym climber
globe,az
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wow i never saw one of those cam hooks in action. very interesting
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alik
Big Wall climber
edmonton
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Concur with folks upthread, on taped hooks for pro being kinda jingus. Played around with this for while in the past and eventually realized that unless the feature is big and solid (like the thing mark whipped onto), you will either break the feature or the hook depending on which is stronger. And usually the rock loses in this situation... And the daisy fall onto a hook thing definitely doesn't work. I watched a buddy do this onto a fish hook once, and he broke the fish hook!!! If you're using a screamer in your daisy system, you might be able to pull it off, but otherwise no way!
Hooking sure is loads of fun though! Probably the most memorable hooking I've ever done was on this thing in squamish called the raven. The second pitch has 5 or 6 natural hook moves right off the belay, and every one of them is a top step move on vertical rock! Another move higher up involved another full extension top step hook move over a bulge on an arete. Seemed pretty athletic for an activity that the fat and old are supposed to be able to excel at! Afterwards I found out that the FA, PB, is something like 6' 5"!
This one on the captain was pretty fun too:
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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All this talk of hooking on dime edges and sloper edges is making me feel agitated. My memories of hooking are staring at the hook the entire time to make sure it didn't move, and holding my breath when moving. For some reason it was more nerve wracking than other pro which was probably worse.
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 1, 2013 - 11:04pm PT
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What Don, you didn't like the flexing and scratching as the hook shifted? That's the sound of confidence!
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mucci
Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
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Where is Jeremy? His mom is a hooker, she prefers the big ones.
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socalbolter
Sport climber
Silverado, CA
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Posted before, but here's on OLD shot of me drilling on the FA of Crimping Lessons in Joshua Tree.
Hooks aren't just for aid climbing...
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Cheyne on Shortest Straw, feeling the psych for the Meat Hook!
This is a helluva thread. Erica Jong's delighted! She could have written the line above, in fact.
Rock 'n Hooker magazine, Mark.
Just a train-of-thought question: Are there rad hooking rootes on Mt. Hooker? Sounds like something I'd go do just to say I did.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Bitchen, Throwhook!
They Rangers eat they young, they say...
Like certain fishes.
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thekidcormier
Gym climber
squamish, b.c.
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Alik! You repeated the raven!?! Badass!
that second pitch I believe was put up by Damien Kelly and Elise Kelly, as far as I know, then dk paired up with PB forthe final 6? Pitches.
Have you got any photos or stories, if so you should share them on Squamish photos and stories, that route has a pretty notorious rep.
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melski
Trad climber
bytheriver
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Jan 22, 2013 - 01:20pm PT
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some folks enhance edges,,reusable tape would be the shigy,,
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Raafie
Big Wall climber
Portland, OR
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Feb 11, 2013 - 03:48pm PT
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Bump. Who's been using the new #3 Tomahawks? Hand placed. . . . small tap. . . . camming action?
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Feb 11, 2013 - 03:57pm PT
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I probably have a few shots from the hooking pitches on Lunar. will have to dig through my slides.
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hillrat
Trad climber
reno, nv
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Feb 13, 2013 - 12:44am PT
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Just bought the lot off fleabay. Thoughts?
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Matt's
climber
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Feb 13, 2013 - 12:46am PT
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never seen hooks threaded like that..
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
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Feb 13, 2013 - 12:48am PT
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yeah, not liking the tie job.
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thekidcormier
Gym climber
squamish, b.c.
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Feb 13, 2013 - 12:52am PT
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Rad set of hooks.
the girth hitches look like a good idea, but the webbing loops are way too long
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 13, 2013 - 01:01am PT
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I saw those on eBay. The seller had them slung like that. Completely wrong... take that crap off and get 'em slung right! But I am sure you already knew that.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Feb 13, 2013 - 01:04am PT
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He's got a brand new Fish hook in that lot. For that I'm f'ing jealous.
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 13, 2013 - 01:06am PT
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Yea, that's why I bid on the lot too but it got to a price point that made no sense just to get the one Fish hook.
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hillrat
Trad climber
reno, nv
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Feb 13, 2013 - 02:53am PT
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Never used a hook. Threading job looked wrong to me. Hanging them on the bookshelf and pulling down, the girth hitch thing made a nice leverage point that I wouldn't want on the rock. Loops looked long. Poked 'em all through from the hook side and tied an overhand, but didn't bother shortening them yet. Figured the price was fair for 28 pieces.
Guess I'd best learn quickly.
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Plaidman
Trad climber
South Slope of Mt. Tabor, Portland, Oregon, USA
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Feb 13, 2013 - 11:02am PT
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wow i never saw one of those cam hooks in action. very interesting
There are better cam hook placements than that. I will try to post some.
Plaid
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briham89
Big Wall climber
san jose, ca
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Feb 14, 2013 - 10:06pm PT
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Talon hook in an old bolt hole...I though it was gunna blow for sure, but now that I look at the pictures it looks pretty good...
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thekidcormier
Gym climber
squamish, b.c.
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Feb 14, 2013 - 11:39pm PT
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Nice one briham
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Feb 18, 2013 - 11:43pm PT
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here is a fish hook :)
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briham89
Big Wall climber
san jose, ca
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Feb 18, 2013 - 11:45pm PT
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thanks dudes.
nice one pyro
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thekidcormier
Gym climber
squamish, b.c.
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Feb 19, 2013 - 12:38am PT
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thekidcormier
Gym climber
squamish, b.c.
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Feb 19, 2013 - 09:21am PT
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Bump for original Kieran Brownie artwork!
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briham89
Big Wall climber
san jose, ca
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Feb 19, 2013 - 11:17am PT
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haha nice
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briham89
Big Wall climber
san jose, ca
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Mar 11, 2013 - 08:13pm PT
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wow i never saw one of those cam hooks in action. very interesting
Bomber cam hook....everyone's a hero on tr
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Tfish
Trad climber
La Crescenta, CA
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Apr 16, 2013 - 12:05pm PT
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Inverted cam hook. So much bomber than the 000 C3.
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briham89
Big Wall climber
san jose, ca
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Apr 16, 2013 - 12:14pm PT
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Nice one
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mucci
Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
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Apr 16, 2013 - 12:20pm PT
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Waste of a perfectly good Arrow placement...
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ElCapPirate
Big Wall climber
Reno, Nevada
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Apr 16, 2013 - 01:13pm PT
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Hooks are my favorite:
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j-tree
Big Wall climber
Classroom to crag to summer camp
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Apr 16, 2013 - 01:19pm PT
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Arrows get in the way of a proper camhook Mucci!!!!! The only point of an arrow is to make a future camhook placement!!!!! FYMH!
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Apr 16, 2013 - 02:19pm PT
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Arrows get in the way of a proper camhook Mucci!!!!! The only point of an arrow is to make a future camhook placement!!!!! FYMH!
Funny, but often true!
John
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Captain...or Skully
climber
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Apr 16, 2013 - 03:27pm PT
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FYMH? Frickin Yellow Mamma Honker?
For Your Mellow Horse?
Fix Yon Mix High?
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Apr 16, 2013 - 03:31pm PT
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Wow it really does look like a brain.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Apr 21, 2013 - 12:11am PT
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elcap pirate hooks r my fave too.
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briham89
Big Wall climber
san jose, ca
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Jul 14, 2013 - 11:44pm PT
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Skull queen fun!
Hand placed of course ;) and used like a hook!
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Oct 25, 2013 - 05:36am PT
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Never used a hook, never had to.
Never visited a hooker.
Prolly missed a lot!
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Roots
Mountain climber
SoCal
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Oct 25, 2013 - 11:31am PT
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So any time I see a hook topic here I post up my "KS-1" model. Specifically designed for hooking micro flakes without applying outward force or prying action, it's milled from 6061 T6. It's not super durable and certainly won't hold a fall but it has served me well hooking to drill on thin granite face climbs.
The KS1 hook. The Talon is for scale.
How can I get one of these? Any around??
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jonnyrig
Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
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Nov 21, 2013 - 09:57pm PT
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Mule tape for hooks? (the white webbing)
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