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Timid TopRope

Social climber
'used to be Paradise, CA
Dec 29, 2012 - 10:39pm PT
Jim,

After spending way too much time reading this forum, nothing surprises me. There are people in this ST microcosm that believe in ghosts, bigfoot, imaginary friends, illiminati, WTC conspiracies, guns making us safer, space aliens, human pollution not affecting climate change, etc. I guess being rational and science-based in the USA is a lonely road to travel.

Seems unlikely for humans to change their beliefs from what I've experienced in life. An age of enlightenment in the USA is probably two or three generations away.
WBraun

climber
Dec 29, 2012 - 10:39pm PT
Americans are puffed up as#@&%es who all think they're smart because they have some rubber stamped degree from some school.

Then you hand them a screw driver or shovel and tell em to do something they stand there looking stupid.

Instead they have to tweet some fool about what some stupid celebrity is doing.

Nothing gets done since they spend all the money wasting time thinking and speculating about what to do for months and years never doing it.

WE are so smart they say and we do nothing.

Give the job to the uneducated they say since we are so smart.

Stupid Americans.
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Dec 29, 2012 - 10:39pm PT
Toadgas, I don't know the statistics, but it looks to me like most legal immigrants are quite educated. What's your source?
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Dec 29, 2012 - 10:41pm PT
Creationism? Evolution? Creation of evolution?


Come on everyone know its really....
BELIEVE!
BELIEVE!
Credit: Alien Workshop
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Dec 29, 2012 - 10:41pm PT
Give the job to the uneducated they say since we are so smart.

I know that guy. lol
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Dec 29, 2012 - 10:46pm PT
true, Toadgas
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 29, 2012 - 10:49pm PT
Nearly all of the recent winners of the National Spelling Bee have been non caucasion second generation immigrants.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Dec 29, 2012 - 10:55pm PT
bruce ,cool,its thick where i live to,i went to don cherrys hockey school.40+ years of hockey .....and werner,some people have a piece of paper they worked for AND have been tradesmen for over 30 years.....
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 29, 2012 - 11:01pm PT
Bruce, Huntsman was the best candidate they had but the Tea Party nixed him.
Hey, I'm going to have my prostate cancer treated at the center his father established in SLC- wonderful place!
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
Dec 29, 2012 - 11:01pm PT
The immigrants I know are often very intelligent and motivated. Leaving your homeland and finding your way to America calls for a certain level of drive and willingness to work hard and suffer that is sorely missing in modern American society.

AP

Trad climber
Calgary
Dec 29, 2012 - 11:01pm PT
You can't compare the top 1% (who understand science, win Nobel prizes, go to MIT, Stanford, Caltech, etc, or who are great tech innovators) with the 99% who have no clue. For every Steve Jobs there are a lot of Homer Simpsons. The best few % of anything in the US is the tops in the world but the rest of the country is mediocre at best.
Canada is not much better except we are not as religious.
harryhotdog

Social climber
north vancouver, B.C.
Dec 29, 2012 - 11:10pm PT
Get with the times, it's not creationism anymore it's
Intelligent Design . Creationism is certainly not based on science nor does it sound scientific but intelligent design sure does so it must be more credible now. Next they will probably call it I-design to convert all the apple users in America.
I'm curious how the christian universities deal with the intelligent design vs evolution conflict. I assume they just bury their head in the sand like they have for the last 800 years, ask Galileo.
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
Dec 29, 2012 - 11:17pm PT
Spelling Bees don't involve reasoning.

Maybe not for the audience....
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Dec 29, 2012 - 11:20pm PT
next to the boobs thread, this one is one of the best yet and just getting started
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Dec 29, 2012 - 11:22pm PT
I just wonder how the hell the generation that so embraced "enlightenment" ended up defining that concept as meaning 15,000 watts of custom lighting in their private vineyard estate home with built in sauna and 25 big screen TVs with integrated Internet access.

True - all of their construction workers were certified organic Vegans who drove Bio-diesel pickups - so I guess it's cool in the end.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Dec 29, 2012 - 11:32pm PT
I just finished a contract with a really big oil company, in the geoscience division. About a quarter of them were foreign, and very smart.

Other countries really want to improve math and science education because that is where the future is headed. Even muslim countries put regular ads in the oil publications looking for good geoscientists. You are quite free to believe in the geologic time scale.

donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 29, 2012 - 11:36pm PT
I am a great fan of the geologic time scale, it doesn't make me feel quite so old.
Jim Clipper

climber
from: forests to tree farms
Dec 29, 2012 - 11:41pm PT
Cool thread! Just want to say thanks for a country that can incubate an original like Jim D. Maybe it's borders were a bit too confining considering the climbing to get done. Hope the treatments go well.

edit:

in case you feel old:

Credit: Jim Clipper

I posted this on another thread, but thought it deserved more coverage. It belongs on a climbing shirt, or on the cover of a training book.
TWP

Trad climber
Mancos, CO
Dec 29, 2012 - 11:41pm PT
American has no monopoly on ignorance. What nation is any less ignorant? How would we know?

On a personal level, who has any reason to be so proud of their own knowledge/lack of ignorance? I've never met a single person (myself included) who isn't pathetically inadequate/ignorant about entire spheres of human knowledge, experience and existence.

I suggest a lot of compassion and humility about human ignorance, including our own, is well in order. Smug confidence with one's own state of knowledge and state of grace, so rife amongst all humans, is just hubris and hot air.
Peter Haan

Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
Dec 29, 2012 - 11:44pm PT
A list of books in the last four years by Chris Mooney, the prolific and highly regarded science writer.

The Republican Brain: The Science of Why They Deny Science- and Reality

The Republican War on Science

Unscientific America: How Scientific Illiteracy Threatens our Future

Storm World: Hurricanes, Politics, and the Battle Over Global Warming

http://www.amazon.com/Chris-Mooney/e/B001IU4QGA

Amazon link: http://www.amazon.com/Chris-Mooney/e/B001IU4QGA


and while we are on the subject of USA population, don't miss this incredible dotmap of every person in the US:

http://bmander.com/dotmap/index.html
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