Malemute
Ice climber
the ghost
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Dec 29, 2012 - 07:11pm PT
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And yet, somehow, at the same time, the US also led the first world in ignorance. It's almost as if there are two entirely separate USAs that have somehow become mixed up in this universe. 
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Dec 29, 2012 - 07:15pm PT
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I wonder if people will be as aggressive in defending their God as they are about their guns?
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Ron Anderson
Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
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Dec 29, 2012 - 07:17pm PT
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i always DUG Farah Fawcett...
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moosedrool
Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
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Dec 29, 2012 - 07:20pm PT
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Almost all of may American friends are from coastal California. Maybe that's why I have met just a few questioning evolution. When I read those statistics showing that almost half of the US population is very poorly educated, it is just hard to believe. Even if those people have not been educated at schools, there is TV and internet. Who keeps those people in the dark? FOX news?
There are two different Americas in this country. They speak the same language but they can't understand each other. Very sad.
Edit: It took me too long to write it. It looks like others had the same observations.
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The Warbler
climber
the edge of America
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Dec 29, 2012 - 07:20pm PT
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People who believe in creationism are perfectly gullible victims for republican lies.
American culture ridicules the intellectual with a mindset born of a combination of poor education and religious dogma.
This is why dubya got elected twice, and why the US is on the fast track to third world status
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Bruce Kay
Gym climber
BC
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Dec 29, 2012 - 07:24pm PT
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bruce kay,you play hockey?
amazingly enough, no I don't. I can hardly skate but I played road hockey fanatically as a kid and was a Habs fan when the Habs were battling Don Cherry's Bruins -- its as thick in our culture as god is in some others.
I sure as hell don't think it makes the world go round though.
I really think what Base said needs repeating. Ignorance is a forgivable condition. Willful ignorance is damn near criminal.
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toadgas
Trad climber
los angeles
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Dec 29, 2012 - 07:29pm PT
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why are you complaining about willfully ignorant Americans?
the Statue of Liberty invites the unwashed masses to immigrate here...
"unwashed masses" often translates to people with LOW IQs
a large population of dumb people is simply part of the AMERICAN experience
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edit: vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Dec 29, 2012 - 07:36pm PT
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Hey now - don't be dissing TV - bringing this pablum to the masses is what pays my bills these days.
I am amazed in how much TV fills the lives of the average Joe American these days. Rich or poor, one TV or 20 (including the bathroom) - my customers freak the f out if they are down for even 24 hours.
From the jock sniffing sports fanatics to the news junkies - all are plugged in but few if any have an original thought left in their shrunken heads.
Ignorance is not simply stupidity - it really involves the lack of the ability to construct your own logic in the face of falsity.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Dec 29, 2012 - 07:38pm PT
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If we're so dumb how come we're all rich?
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Timid TopRope
Social climber
'used to be Paradise, CA
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Dec 29, 2012 - 07:39pm PT
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Jim,
After spending way too much time reading this forum, nothing surprises me. There are people in this ST microcosm that believe in ghosts, bigfoot, imaginary friends, illiminati, WTC conspiracies, guns making us safer, space aliens, human pollution not affecting climate change, etc. I guess being rational and science-based in the USA is a lonely road to travel.
Seems unlikely for humans to change their beliefs from what I've experienced in life. An age of enlightenment in the USA is probably two or three generations away.
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 29, 2012 - 07:39pm PT
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Americans are puffed up as#@&%es who all think they're smart because they have some rubber stamped degree from some school.
Then you hand them a screw driver or shovel and tell em to do something they stand there looking stupid.
Instead they have to tweet some fool about what some stupid celebrity is doing.
Nothing gets done since they spend all the money wasting time thinking and speculating about what to do for months and years never doing it.
WE are so smart they say and we do nothing.
Give the job to the uneducated they say since we are so smart.
Stupid Americans.
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moosedrool
Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
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Dec 29, 2012 - 07:39pm PT
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Toadgas, I don't know the statistics, but it looks to me like most legal immigrants are quite educated. What's your source?
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Dec 29, 2012 - 07:41pm PT
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Creationism? Evolution? Creation of evolution?
Come on everyone know its really....
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Dec 29, 2012 - 07:41pm PT
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Give the job to the uneducated they say since we are so smart.
I know that guy. lol
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Bruce Kay
Gym climber
BC
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Dec 29, 2012 - 07:42pm PT
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Thats totally not true Toadgas, and it ilustrates the point anyway. Ignorance is something we all suffer from, some less or some more maybe and sure the lower you are in socio economic status the more ignorant but that is not a sin - it is simply an environmental condition.
Willful ignorance is something completely different. That is where you choose it, despite opportunity for knowledge. That is most certainly a sin.
blind allegience to ideology is the gateway drug to the heroin of willful ignorance.
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toadgas
Trad climber
los angeles
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Dec 29, 2012 - 07:44pm PT
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Toadgas, I don't know the statistics, but it looks to me like most legal immigrants are quite educated. What's your source?
i was referring to immigrants more from the mid-to-late 1800s
should have specified
also...."unwashed masses"....if you cannot figure out how to wash, how smart can you be?
hehe
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moosedrool
Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
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Dec 29, 2012 - 07:46pm PT
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true, Toadgas
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toadgas
Trad climber
los angeles
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Dec 29, 2012 - 07:47pm PT
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don't worry, I'm not picking on the liberals' precious illegal immigrants
but a LARGE nation of immigrants is gonna be a large grab bag ...including a fair amount of willfully ignorant types
why do europeans think Americans are so dumb?
simply because we have been brainwashed by the GOP?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 29, 2012 - 07:49pm PT
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Nearly all of the recent winners of the National Spelling Bee have been non caucasion second generation immigrants.
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Donald Thompson
Trad climber
Los Angeles,CA
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Dec 29, 2012 - 07:50pm PT
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THis thread is worded to reflect the bigotry of the current crop of bloviating baby boomer leftists, who equate belief in God , or for that matter any belief counter to thier own, as de facto "ignorant". This is fully representative of the bigotry and arrogance of the radical left in their never ending project, on-going since the 60s, to transform this nation into their own self-image.
Folks, only they know what the ultimate truth consists of, and they will tolerate no other opinions. All assertions about the nature of the universe is secondary to their own, because they are so smart, so hip, so today, and so 'now'.
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