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Social climber
An Oil Field
Dec 29, 2012 - 11:32pm PT
I just finished a contract with a really big oil company, in the geoscience division. About a quarter of them were foreign, and very smart.

Other countries really want to improve math and science education because that is where the future is headed. Even muslim countries put regular ads in the oil publications looking for good geoscientists. You are quite free to believe in the geologic time scale.


Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 29, 2012 - 11:36pm PT
I am a great fan of the geologic time scale, it doesn't make me feel quite so old.
Jim Clipper

from: forests to tree farms
Dec 29, 2012 - 11:41pm PT
Cool thread! Just want to say thanks for a country that can incubate an original like Jim D. Maybe it's borders were a bit too confining considering the climbing to get done. Hope the treatments go well.


in case you feel old:

Credit: Jim Clipper

I posted this on another thread, but thought it deserved more coverage. It belongs on a climbing shirt, or on the cover of a training book.

Trad climber
Mancos, CO
Dec 29, 2012 - 11:41pm PT
American has no monopoly on ignorance. What nation is any less ignorant? How would we know?

On a personal level, who has any reason to be so proud of their own knowledge/lack of ignorance? I've never met a single person (myself included) who isn't pathetically inadequate/ignorant about entire spheres of human knowledge, experience and existence.

I suggest a lot of compassion and humility about human ignorance, including our own, is well in order. Smug confidence with one's own state of knowledge and state of grace, so rife amongst all humans, is just hubris and hot air.
Peter Haan

Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
Dec 29, 2012 - 11:44pm PT
A list of books in the last four years by Chris Mooney, the prolific and highly regarded science writer.

The Republican Brain: The Science of Why They Deny Science- and Reality

The Republican War on Science

Unscientific America: How Scientific Illiteracy Threatens our Future

Storm World: Hurricanes, Politics, and the Battle Over Global Warming

Amazon link:

and while we are on the subject of USA population, don't miss this incredible dotmap of every person in the US:
Jim Clipper

from: forests to tree farms
Dec 30, 2012 - 12:18am PT
"Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more;
Or close the wall up with our English dead.
In peace there's nothing so becomes a man
As modest stillness and humility:
But when the blast of war blows in our ears,
Then imitate the action of the tiger;
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favour'd rage;
Then lend the eye a terrible aspect;
Let pry through the portage of the head
Like the brass cannon; let the brow o'erwhelm it
As fearfully as doth a galled rock
O'erhang and jutty his confounded base,
Swill'd with the wild and wasteful ocean.
Now set the teeth and stretch the nostril wide,
Hold hard the breath and bend up every spirit
To his full height..."

Maybe a little hyperbole, but probably not quite that much. Best wishes...

Dec 30, 2012 - 12:36am PT
Ideally, blind dumb allegiance to Dogma should be marched in front of a firing squad and shot.

That would be 99 percent or even more of the world population ......


Dec 30, 2012 - 12:43am PT
Now that you mention it, he does seem to be watching TV.

Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 30, 2012 - 01:07am PT
This is like shooting kneecaps on a ski trip:

Are you insinuating someone's Karma ran over their dogma ?

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Dec 30, 2012 - 01:09am PT
Latest Gallup Poll shows that:

Sorry Mr. Donini (still can't bring myself to call you Jim), I do not believe in the Gallup Poll.


Trad climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
Dec 30, 2012 - 01:09am PT
I self learned myself.

(humorous interlude)

I suppose the older I get, the more interested I am in living in the moment. kinda zen. the rest, I really just don't know about. doesn't really seem to affect me either way in the long run.


Trad climber
Butte, America
Dec 30, 2012 - 01:11am PT
Evolution works perfectly well--under the assumption of a few key "miracles" thrown into the biologic mix...

...should make BOTH sides content--but, usually doesn't
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 30, 2012 - 01:34am PT
Canada's got ig'nance you can't touch:


Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 30, 2012 - 02:15am PT
Belief in evolution

Third world, baby, third world...
Jebus H Bomz

Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 30, 2012 - 03:19am PT
I don't get all the negative spins on this. Not believing in evolution is really quite the astute observation on the part of a citizenry whose country invented Walmart. Bravo, America, you have seen no evidence of evolution, and you're not afraid to say it.

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Dec 30, 2012 - 03:22am PT
What a bunch of whiners. These are surely strange times, but does the bickering really matter? Get on with getting on. And along.

Trad climber
Las Vegas
Dec 30, 2012 - 04:19am PT

'Ah Wayno...

Just 'ole 'Uncle Jimbo stirr'n up another shiite storm on the Taco.

Gott'a admit though whenever he lights a fire he's more than willing to stick around and stand in the heat ;)

Sport climber
Dec 30, 2012 - 05:08am PT
80 % of Europeans believe in creationism? That seems darn high. Really, if you ask yourself did we come from an explosion of epic proportions(having started from a mass the size of a pin head) or with the help of some mighty intervention, they both tweak the brain. 30 seconds of serious pondering and my noodle starts twisting.
I still think there was an intervention, myself. But, maybe its the southern country backasswards in me.

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 30, 2012 - 05:19am PT
80 percent of Americans think Adam and Eve shopped at Walmart.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Dec 30, 2012 - 05:34am PT
Hey werner, you should work at Fox News - you'd fit right in.

Ya know, perhaps even you have a certain allegience to dogma huh? Well don't sweat it. We all do for the most part. Its the blind and dumb part that is the problem.

You said dogma people should be put to the firing squad. Werner said that would be about 99% of hmanity. You responded with the above, agreeing with him.

Any questions Mr Fox News?

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