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Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Dec 28, 2012 - 01:03pm PT
10 percent? Come on.....

DMT
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Dec 28, 2012 - 01:03pm PT
The problem with solar is we are still in the mindset of relying on huge corporations to make it feasible.

If all those soon to be out of work pot growers would take some initiative and get into solar retrofitting, it would go a LONG way.

No point in shading the tortoise habitat when you could shade building, parking lots, and highways in SoCal. No huge corporation is going to be able to pull that off, it takes too much agility and adaptability. They rely on the economy of scale to generate their billion dollar profits. But a few smart people with some skillz could easily knock out some solid solar panel installations with multiple benefits.

From the class I taught last semester... CA uses ~200,000 GWh of electricity a year.

1000W bulbs x 12hrs x 1 bulb/2 plants (?) = 6,000 Wh/plant
5,000,000 plants, plus whatever locker smokes = 30,000,000,000 Wh = 30 GWh for all the indoor plants in CA

30/200,000 = 0.015%
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 28, 2012 - 01:06pm PT
10%. Why not?

Not that I care about that facet too much.

I guess we can take pride in buying local and sucking down our local forest lands one bowl at a time.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 28, 2012 - 01:07pm PT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGSONIC4XuE





http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2009/07/30/30greenwire-cartels-turn-us-forests-into-marijuana-plantat-41908.html?pagewanted=all


http://www.ioangrillo.com/mexico/narco1.php



http://mmjbusinessdaily.com/2011/11/07/report-mexican-drug-cartels-infiltrating-calif-medical-pot-industry/


http://westernfarmpress.com/government/california-s-growing-marijuana-business-impacting-agriculture






Cartels not involved,, really??
That not what my cousin and buddy in the Border Patrol says..
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 28, 2012 - 01:09pm PT
I've driven through that country, Ron, and it's cartels of inbred hippy rednecks out there.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 28, 2012 - 01:10pm PT
Oh thee ARE those too.. BUT, in the area around here, it has been mexican nationals,,and those ties to Cartels are wht the gubbment did things like fast and furious to try and define. They havent been very successful.


edit: Ive know folks in N Cali, that have grown for years, retired and still growing on thier own lands, with quite clean operations.



and this from Hoobies article:

"This is the trend," Russ Arthur, a special agent for the U.S. Forest Service, said at a Santa Barbara news conference. "I've been involved in hundreds of arrests and all of the suspects have been Mexican nationals."
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Dec 28, 2012 - 01:10pm PT
we are still in the mindset of relying on huge corporations to make it feasible.

No, we are not.

The corporations are in the mindset..... They don't want you to be energey independent, they want you to have to buy energy from mega-corporations.

These corporations are buying up (and burying) as many patents as they can that involve energy independence.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Dec 28, 2012 - 01:18pm PT
So we, as a society, are just letting it happen? Nope! "We" are directly contributing to it... "we" are part of the mindset... because "we" aren't investing several thousand in personal solar energy... "we" are selling those parents... "we" are wasting energy and pretending the only cost is what our bill says. You are part of "we" whether you like it or not.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Dec 28, 2012 - 01:18pm PT
If all those soon to be out of work pot growers would take some initiative and get into solar retrofitting, it would go a LONG way.


I know a few solar installers. Some of them are growers who took the initiative to further their knowledge.

I'll be specific. I have friends who own land in the foothills and are very much oriented to living a back to the earth lifestyle. All produce is grown in their prodigious garden, and either eaten or canned.

Their grow is 99 plants, with a card. Indoors and all organic.

They vehemently oppose legalization because it will decimate their income source.

They are good people and good friends, but their cries for continued medical use and no legalization seems disingenuous to me. They are just looking out for their bank accounts.

I don't understand why there can't be a replica of our current produce system. The general populace will get commercially grown bud, a'la Budweiser. Then, the bud snobs (me) will buy their stuff from local growers, a'la farmers markets and going to a local farmer for your produce. That's how I roll for whatever produce I don't grow in my own humble garden.

It's all taxed, from the big farmers to the local farmers market.

I don't see anything wrong with this model, but then, I live in a small town in NH full of rednecks and hippies. Both demographics are full of regular smokers.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Dec 28, 2012 - 01:20pm PT
Community Supported Anything
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 28, 2012 - 01:21pm PT
That's how I read it too, Brandon.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Dec 28, 2012 - 01:23pm PT
The article in question, from LA Times:

Such raids have become commonplace in California, part of a costly, frustrating campaign to eradicate ever-bigger, more destructive marijuana farms and dismantle the shadowy groups that are creating them.

Pot cultivated on public lands surged in the last decade, a side effect of the medical cannabis boom. In 2001, several hundred thousand plants were seized in the state. By 2010, authorities pulled up a record 7.4 million plants, mostly on public land.

Law enforcement long called these grows on public land "cartel grows," and hoped to work from the busts in the forest up the drug hierarchy, maybe all the way to the Sinaloa Cartel or the Zetas.

But after years of raids and work with informants and wiretaps, agents realize the operations seemed to be run by independent groups of Mexican nationals, often using undocumented fieldworkers from their home regions.

Tommy Lanier, director of the National Marijuana Initiative, part of the Office of National Drug Control Policy, said there was scant evidence that the cartels exerted much control over marijuana growing in the national forests.

"Based on our intelligence, which includes thousands of cellphone numbers and wiretaps, we haven't been able to connect anyone to a major cartel," he said.

Lanier said authorities have long mislabeled marijuana grown on public land as "cartel grows" because Mexican nationals are arrested in the majority of cases, and the narrative of fighting drug cartels helps them secure federal funding.

He doesn't rule out that some of the cash flowing south of the border makes its way to members of those groups. He just doesn't believe they are actively directing activities up here.

"We've had undercover agents at the highest level of these groups, breaking bread and drinking tequila," says Roy Giorgi, commander of the Mountain and Valley Marijuana Investigation Team, a multi-agency organization headquartered in Sacramento. "Even at their most comfortable, the leaders never said, 'Hey, we're working for the Zetas.' "

In Giorgi's jurisdiction, the majority of the people arrested or investigated are originally from the state of Michoacan, where marijuana growing and immigration to the U.S. are entrenched.

Take it up with them, Ron.

DMT
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Dec 28, 2012 - 01:23pm PT

"Just ask the tortoises."...

I would if they weren't already floating around in my SOUP...

Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Dec 28, 2012 - 01:30pm PT
I know a way to dramatically increase solar efficiency for pot growing... move the plants back outside ya morons! Lol.

With legal pot, the central valley will tromp indoor grows back to the super specialists they once were.

On a simple scale of solar economy, if legalized, pot growing will return to the out of doors from whence it came!

Unless you live in some rainy shithole hahahahahaha!

DMT
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 28, 2012 - 01:31pm PT
Man, reading the OP article more. If half of that's true, enjoy sucking down your unfiltered karmic retribution, brah. I guess it's easy for me, I got off the herb recently, but this is big time disgusting. Concerned pot heads need to start demanding more accountability.

Dingus wrote:

With legal pot, the central valley will tromp indoor grows back to the super specialists they once were.

Yeah buddy. The already cultivated Central Valley would become the weed basket of the world.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Dec 28, 2012 - 01:37pm PT
I sleep easy not only from the sweet medicine, but also knowing who grew it.

In the last year I've made a conscious decision to buy primarily from growers I know.

Less mold spores, better product, peace of mind knowing that my money is going into a friends hiding space, rather than Mexico or abroad.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Dec 28, 2012 - 02:07pm PT
The central valley is already a failing agricultural system. No need to add to the water stress, over irrigation, and erosion by mass producing weed. Just make it like home brewing... you can grow your own and give away an ounce for Christmas... you just can't legally sell it.

Problem solved.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Dec 28, 2012 - 02:08pm PT
Well there you go.

Lol.

DMT
Tobia

Social climber
Denial
Dec 29, 2012 - 11:18am PT
The Klamath Basin has been getting trashed by one means or another since the white man first laid his eyes on it.

I just finished a book, River of Renewal: Myth & History In The Klamath Basin by Stephen Most. From gold mining (which I am guilty of), overfishing, hydroelectric dams and irrigation both the wildlife and people have suffered. The book was published in 2006 and ended on a positive note with people coming together to make changes to restore the natural balance of the area.

Cannabis growers weren't mentioned in the book, probably due to the smaller number of growers and their impact on the environment being hidden with their crops.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Dec 29, 2012 - 02:13pm PT
Less mold spores, better product, peace of mind knowing that my money is going into a friends hiding space, rather than Mexico or abroad.

And how do imagine that is accomplished?

Why do you think knowing the person who grows your weed means that you know HOW they grow your weed?
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