Rock removal in Woodfords Canyon

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kennyt

climber

Woodfords,California

Topic Author's Reply - Dec 24, 2012 - 06:15pm PT


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Chim-Chim

climber

Dec 25, 2012 - 08:46am PT

I've seen various people collecting rocks for years. I've blocked trails that they used to get easy access to the rocks. One person with hand tools can do a great deal of damage in a single day, so a group with permission to gather rocks will destroy the area. I'm bummed but I've read Edward Abbey. Dan

kennyt

climber

Woodfords,California

Topic Author's Reply - Dec 25, 2012 - 08:57am PT

Dan, I spoke with someone from the forest service and they said they had no idea how they would monitor this project.So my guess is this 1500 tons looks good for permitting purposes but will most likely be all the rock you can collect in three years possibly extended to five.

Ron Anderson

Trad climber

Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal

Dec 25, 2012 - 09:00am PT

Exactly a point brought up to them.. How to "scale" ?? How to contract inspect?? Honor system?? Then the inevitable other folks seeing this and thinking,, hmmmm i too can snag some stone.

kennyt

climber

Woodfords,California

Topic Author's Reply - Dec 25, 2012 - 09:04am PT

I heard this has caused alot more static than anyone had anticipated. so hopefully this guy can find a more suitable place to collect his stone

Chim-Chim

climber

Dec 25, 2012 - 09:12am PT

My buddy G-Rome said the company that is seeking the permission to f*#k up Cloudburst is called Figaroa they claim to have one employee and make 80,000 a year. They must be getting a big loan to take this project on so the plans must be somewhat concrete. Dan

kennyt

climber

Woodfords,California

Topic Author's Reply - Dec 25, 2012 - 09:20am PT

Dan, click the link on the first page if you havent already

Chim-Chim

climber

Dec 25, 2012 - 09:30am PT

Kenny has the Reno Gazette posted the notice? If it went out more than a month ago the thirty day window to protest may be over.

kennyt

climber

Woodfords,California

Topic Author's Reply - Dec 25, 2012 - 09:33am PT

Dan, I'm not sure but my friend at the f.s. say's that this isn't even close to being done and we should send letters to the head ranger genny wilson her address is in the link I posted

Studly

Trad climber

Dec 25, 2012 - 09:59am PT

Sorry to hear about this. But this is just the tip of the iceberg we will be seeing nationwide as counties and states budgets deplete, they will be opening up options on quarrying, mining, logging, etc, that previously would have never been on the table. Very sad times for America. Ill write a letter even though never been, hoping for the best!

kennyt

climber

Woodfords,California

Topic Author's Reply - Dec 25, 2012 - 10:07am PT

The say at the F.S. That this is a special use permit and not done for revenue just bus. as usual. I'm callin bullshit on that one if there was no money in it for them it wouldn't even be considered.

Ron Anderson

Trad climber

Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal

Dec 25, 2012 - 10:22am PT

Youd be surprised Keny.. I gave out many a "special use permit" for things like poles ( lodge pole repro) et etc, and those- at about 10.00 per cord - the only way to scale such permits..People do have use for the natual things out there, and it is our land. So i dont disagree with rock harvesting as long as it isnt in a main corridor of recreational activities and a riparian zone .

Chim-Chim

climber

Dec 25, 2012 - 10:25am PT

Access to 130 climbs could be affected including this area


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Please call the approprate parties and encourage others to do the same.

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Dec 25, 2012 - 10:26am PT

This is what one man with hand tools can do to the base of a boulder looking for artifacts.

1500 tons of grainite is only ~700 cubic yards, which would cover an area ~100'x200' if it were excavated 1' deep. It will be deeper than 1', so the areal extent will be less. Then there are the tracks, etc. It will be a scar for sure, and may affect access.

From what I've seen, it is much easier to augment and expand an operation once it is already going. Mining operations almost always fail to implement the proper restoration measures... if there even are any.

kennyt

climber

Woodfords,California

Topic Author's Reply - Dec 25, 2012 - 10:27am PT

I understand Ron but he should have to find a more suitable location. I realize the locations he has chosen a very conveniant therefore increasing his profit margin.