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mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 4, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
michaeld, please don't go off on the liberal media strawman bullsh#t. I don't own a TV and I certainly don't watch the "news" and I don't read a regular newspaper. When I want to learn something I read a minimum of 3-5 sources and do follow up research. That has me reading everything from the Washington Times to National Review to Aljazeera to Frontline. But usually I stick to scientific literature and government statistics.

I would appreciate it if you would answer the questions. I really am trying to figure out why people who love guns are so against ANY further regulation. And how they can flippantly regurgitate the "don't blame the guns" or "guns don't kill people" crap in the face of a tragedy... rather than admit that NEVER would have happened with a knife or a club or anything other than a gun.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 4, 2013 - 12:38pm PT
I really am trying to figure out why people who love guns are so against ANY further regulation

unfounded Slippery Slope fear

FEAR

irrational FEAR

remember the 1940s movie Reeder Madness?

If you smoke one joint you WILL become a Heroin addict.

ANY additional legislation to mitigate mass murder means they WILL come for MY guns.
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Jan 4, 2013 - 12:38pm PT
I would appreciate it if you would answer the questions. I really am trying to figure out why people who love guns are so against ANY further regulation. And how they can flippantly regurgitate the "don't blame the guns" or "guns don't kill people" crap in the face of a tragedy... rather than admit that NEVER would have happened with a knife or a club or anything other than a gun.


Go back a few pages and read how I AM FOR more regulation.


Your kid gets killed in a car accident because an alcoholic, who's been previously cited for DUI's and public drunkeness, decides to plow into the side of your kid going 95+ after downing 2 bottles of Jack and topped it off with some Patron.

Lucky for him, he's in a big ass Chevy Tahoe, unfortunately for your little Timmy, he was in a Geo Metro.

Let's blame Chevy.


The same day, in China, a man went into a classroom and did the same thing with a knife.

Oh wait, the kids didn't die, so it's perfectly okay.

Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Jan 4, 2013 - 12:39pm PT
I would appreciate it if you would answer the questions. I really am trying to figure out why people who love guns are so against ANY further regulation. And how they can flippantly regurgitate the "don't blame the guns" or "guns don't kill people" crap in the face of a tragedy... rather than admit that NEVER would have happened with a knife or a club or anything other than a gun.


Couldn't do that, now could we? I support the 2nd Amendment, but you have to acknowledge that this is the price that occurs BECAUSE of gun ownership. If you don't acknowledge that, you're just scared of regulations and afraid of taking responsibility as a gun owner and supporter of the 2nd Amendment. Like you said, that flippant argument given by gerbils like MichaelD are not convincing and tool bags like him become his own worst enemy.
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Jan 4, 2013 - 12:43pm PT
Sigh.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Jan 4, 2013 - 12:44pm PT
Responsibility gets you down, huh?

Keep typing the same, sad lines, dude.
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Jan 4, 2013 - 12:52pm PT
Responsibility gets you down, huh?

Keep typing the same, sad lines, dude.


Emphasis on responsibility, please.

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Meschrist, the children still got stabbed.

Am I the only person here, who sees something wrong with that?

Just because they didn't die, it must be so much better?


THE MAN WHO STABBED THE F*CK OUT OF A BUNCH OF LITTLE KIDS IN CHINA, AND THE BAT SH#T INSANE KID IN CT WHO SHOT THE SH*T OUT OF A BUNCH OF LITTLE KIDS, WERE BOTH, MENTALLY F*CKING INSANE.


But, as long as they don't kill anyone, it's okay...
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 4, 2013 - 12:54pm PT
Let's take a vote:


I say NOTHING, no legislation will be passed.

Prediction: We will go through MANY more mass murders before ANY bill is passed.

Because FEAR rules, not the fear of mass murder, but the fear of Slippery Slope

The dumbfuks are in charge, and they are OWNED by other dumbfuks
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Jan 4, 2013 - 12:56pm PT
Blame the product not the user.
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Jan 4, 2013 - 12:56pm PT
I'm gonna go sue McDonalds because they got me fat.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 4, 2013 - 12:59pm PT
Meschrist, the children still got stabbed.

Am I the only person here, who sees something wrong with that?

Just because they didn't die, it must be so much better?

I don't know what to say. If you honestly don't think it is way better for the families and the kids and society that they did not die, I'm at a loss for words.

Of course it fuking sucks. Nobody said it didn't suck. But how could anyone possibly argue that the outcome was not WAY better than if all those kids had been filled with 5-10 bullets each? It is sickening, pathetic, and ignorant to suggest the two outcomes are on par with with each other... and even more so to suggest that acknowledging that one had a better outcome than the other means we see nothing wrong with kids getting stabbed.



And there you go again with the flippant, illogical horseshit that makes it impossible to discuss this topic with your side. You getting fat at McD;s is a little different than someone coming in and shooting 26 people.
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Jan 4, 2013 - 01:02pm PT
Meschrist, the children still got stabbed.

Am I the only person here, who sees something wrong with that?

Just because they didn't die, it must be so much better?

I don't know what to say. If you honestly don't think it is way better for the families and the kids and society that they did not die, I'm at a loss for words.

Of course it fuking sucks. Nobody said it didn't suck. But how could anyone possibly argue that the outcome was not WAY better than if all those kids had been killed? It is sickening, pathetic, and ignorant to suggest the two outcomes are on par with with each other... and even more so to suggest that acknowledging that means we see nothing wrong with the stabbing.



There you go again, flipping my words. I NEVER ONCE STATED, that it is TERRIBLE THE KIDS DID NOT DIE, EVER. This sort of tragedy, NO MATTER THE OUTCOME, should NOT happen in the first place. BUT IT DOES.



mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 4, 2013 - 01:08pm PT
...and when it happens with guns, it is WAY worse.

Just because they didn't die, it must be so much better?

YES!!!! Just because they didn't die, it IS ABSOLUTELY 1000% better.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Jan 4, 2013 - 01:11pm PT
"I really am trying to figure out why people who love guns are so against ANY further regulation."

Go back and read my posts. If you are still confused why I will go in depth.




"And how they can flippantly regurgitate the "don't blame the guns" or "guns don't kill people" crap in the face of a tragedy... rather than admit that NEVER would have happened with a knife or a club or anything other than a gun."

That ain't me saying that babe. But along those lines I would advise you to look at Mexico, where they have strong gun control laws and yet still have out of control kidnapping and other crimes that involve guns and suggest to you that all the gun regulation in the world won't get criminals to stop being criminals. There were over a million angry (but impotent) citizens march in Mexico City complaining about the daily kidnappings. There are several things we can do that would be much more effective, also go reread my posts for that, why keep repeating myself as you don't seem to read anything that doesn't already fit what you think should be in your version of reality. It's a complex issue that won't fit into a 2 sentence sound bite that your attention span seems to require.

michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Jan 4, 2013 - 01:16pm PT
Maybe if we rose taxes for %40 to pay for more police, crime would be lower.
And didn't give welfare to just anyone.

Until then.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 4, 2013 - 01:19pm PT
I don't blame the "product", guns.


But I do blame the easy availability of certain kinds of military style assault guns

I blame guns shows and private sales for not requiring ANY background checks

I blame the NRA for giving tens of millions to buy Republican politician's votes that favor absolutely no reasonable restrictions on background checks.

Why wouldn't ANYONE feel the same

No, the feds are not coming for YOUR guns, get it yet?

Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Jan 4, 2013 - 01:20pm PT
why keep repeating myself as you don't seem to read anything that doesn't already fit what you think should be in your version of reality.

the most poignant thing anyone on these type of threads has written

Let it go.
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Jan 4, 2013 - 01:22pm PT
Every time I've done PPT, it's the same background check as from a store.

I'm not following you Norton. Cali has a bunch of useless steps to go through to get a gun.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Jan 4, 2013 - 01:52pm PT
Thats what I don't get at all. You guys have a great country but instead of taking the right risks to ensure a healthy middle class supported society you'd rather wrap your hands around a weapon, guard your little castle and watch your whole society go to hell at the hands of a bunch of donald trumpers. Weird.


Heh. Great summary. The funny part is many will greedily wrap their lips around the johnsons of those taking their country away from them and even thank them for the pearl necklace afterwards.

These same dumb asses think estate taxes apply to their piddling mounds of cash and that anything that trickles must be great.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 4, 2013 - 01:52pm PT
But along those lines I would advise you to look at Mexico, where they have strong gun control laws and...

a very corrupt government. Come on man! Same old bullsh#t. You can throw out Mexico, and I can throw out Germany... blah blah blah.


When it comes down to it what is the number 1 reason we should not have stricter requirements to get guns?

A) Because you say it won't work so what's the point
B) You don't want to be inconvenienced
C) Guns don't kill people so there is no point in regulating who has access to them
D) You can provide a country or two (which have very corrupt governments) in which gun regulations are ineffective
E) FILL IN THE BLANK




Maybe if we rose taxes for %40 to pay for more police, crime would be lower.
And didn't give welfare to just anyone.

Until then.

Until then, what? There is no point in trying to do anything?
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