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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Dec 18, 2012 - 01:56pm PT
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Trying to 'remember' your way up climbs is bad enough, trying to be another climber is worse than bad. Everything about this idea fundamentally misses the mark relative to how and why a person should learn to climb. As the French put it - "Bien dans sa peau" (comfortable in your own skin).
This elevates the seldom acknowledged climb-by-the-dots 'feature' of chalk use to a whole new level - mindlessness.
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Moof
Big Wall climber
Orygun
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Dec 18, 2012 - 01:56pm PT
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Level 12: When 11 levels just aren't enough.
Forget 8 minute abs, now there are 7 minute abs!
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Dec 18, 2012 - 02:10pm PT
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Good coaching rarely involves telling or showing someone exactly how to do something. Movement is a very individual thing, each person balances and moves in a unique and individual way. A good coach will help a person find the best way for them to do whatever it is they aspire to do, how a "professional" does it is not relevant as another "pro" will most likely do it another way.
Your "one size fits all" approach simply cannot work. You think your climber is frustrated because she cannot figure out the move? Wait 'till the laser diagram shows it to her and it's even harder.
A basic refinement would be to have a database of "pro's" at each increment of height from say 4'5" through 6'5" in 1/4" increments, and at each height have ape indexes from -2 to +5 and weight variations at 1/2 pound increments.
So to even come close to resembling the variables in the real world, you should plan to have scans of hundreds of "pro's" of various sizes climbing each route, then measure the parameters of the new climber to select the "pro" most like them. Oh wait, right handed or left? Long torso or short? Big feet or small? Edging shoes or slippers?
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jstan
climber
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Dec 24, 2012 - 12:41am PT
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Didn't some gunks climbers use an old beta-max to film themselves back in the day?
According to Wiki Beta-max was released in 1975. If it happened, it would not have been very BITD. I never heard of it. For the reasons above, if it was done, I doubt it was done much.
Beta is the second phase in testing. Its focus is not to implement features anymore, (it is called feature complete), but rather to improve its user-friendliness. Everything is taken care by beta-testers that are "usually customers or prospective customers of the organization that develops the software, willing to test the software without charge, often receiving the final software free of charge or for a reduced price."
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MisterE
Social climber
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Dec 24, 2012 - 01:29am PT
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Must every activity be dissected to death.
As mentioned, where is the place where you find your natural flow if every move is digitized.
Sorry, I just think this takes away from the activity rather than contributing.
If climbing just frustrates you in a gym, try climbing outside - sheesh. Or do something else.
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ruppell
climber
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Dec 24, 2012 - 01:36am PT
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jstan
From wiki
The original use of the term Beta in climbing is generally attributed to the late climber, Jack Mileski. "Beta" was short for Betamax, a reference to an old videotape format largely replaced by the VHS format. This was actually a play on words, as Jack would often ask, "you want the beta, Max?"
Here's the full link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_(climbing)
Maybe my brain made the part up about those guys using the actual films. I swear I heard it somewhere though. Maybe just another climbing urban legend. Love to hear if anyone knows the full story.
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adikted
Boulder climber
Tahooooeeeee
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Dec 24, 2012 - 01:53am PT
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This is kinda like the shake weight for climbing.....i dont get it!!
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Chinchen
climber
Way out there....
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Dec 24, 2012 - 01:56am PT
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The copy on your site is really bad. Please hire an editor.
Kind of a silly idea, sorry.
The comment about other uses like golfing, etc. seem much more plausible.
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Nagilo
Gym climber
Graz, Austria
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 9, 2013 - 04:46pm PT
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Hey everybody. Wish you all a Happy New Year.
Sorry for our late reply. And many thanks for participating in the discussion. We agree with all your concern. Due to previous research none of your concern was actually new to us.
The product is not ment to take away your creativity or your passion about climbing. It's only an add-on for inexperienced climbers. Nothing more ;)
Let's see if it works.
Anyway, greetings from Graz - the home of Arnold Schwarzenegger ;)
Matthias Heise
Level12
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nutjob
Gym climber
Berkeley, CA
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It seems like a solution looking for a problem, but perhaps it will be a hit with corporate offsite events? Lots of opportunities for co-worker heckling when you don't match the laser outline. Maybe a sensor on the wall can sound a buzzer or something when the laser contacts the wall because you aren't following it properly?
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bergbryce
Mountain climber
California
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Yeah like Operation!
This is crap as far as climbing goes but some morons will buy it no doubt.
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RP3
Big Wall climber
El Portal/Chapel Hill
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I want it at a techno show!
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Level12
Sport climber
Graz
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Feb 17, 2013 - 04:00pm PT
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First of all: Big thanks to all of you who participated in our survey.
We took your input very seriously and tried to implement many of your suggestions to Level12. And yes, we realise that this might be interesting for beginners only. But still we are curious about your feedback.
With the additional information we created a new, professional demo video. Have a look at http://www.level12.eu and let us know what you think (there's also a feedback form if you like).
Best wishes from Austria
Jasmin - Level12
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Feb 17, 2013 - 08:25pm PT
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Austria eh? Throw another shrimp on the barbie!
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Feb 17, 2013 - 10:43pm PT
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Let's go next-gen... El Cap meadow at night with a high-power BetaLaser® projecting exact hand and foot placements for an all-free night ascent.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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Feb 17, 2013 - 10:52pm PT
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Hey man, I hated plastic but then I succumbed. I still like metal though.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Feb 17, 2013 - 10:54pm PT
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Dan....don't be apologetic, if you live in Seattle gym climbing is a must. I served a sentence there and succumbed to plastic.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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Feb 17, 2013 - 11:33pm PT
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Oh, that's what it means! I thought it was plastic in general, like plastic buckles - like when Fastex was invented - remember that - Haha!
Hey, I pull on plastic! :>) When it comes to pulling, I'll pull most anything. Proof of life; here's some Seattle plastic from the late eighties. Vertical Club had a booth at a trade show in Seattle - Me and Jim Purdy were yanking this wall with a bag over our heads too.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
bouldering
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Feb 18, 2013 - 01:03am PT
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Understood, to conduct a business you gotta give the customer fun and attainable stuff, but I always liked the Mike Call rant from Performance Rock Climbing. [Click to View YouTube Video]
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