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Gym climber
Graz, Austria
Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 18, 2012 - 07:24am PT
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Jon Beck

Trad climber
Dec 18, 2012 - 09:09am PT
Interesting technology, you are facing a tough crowd here. I could see it working in a gym I guess.

Trad climber
New Durham, NH
Dec 18, 2012 - 09:26am PT
I guess my biggest concern is how this will effect my claim of an onsite.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Dec 18, 2012 - 09:32am PT
I'd have no use for it personally.

But I don't go to a gym.

I can see it could be useful for specific training routines. And you could play a mean game of vertical Twister with it.

Set it up outside and record the Nose speed record climbs, or do a blow by blow of some big aid route haha. Real world beta... Tom at the bridge he could give some cool laser beta and even do a night show!



Trad climber
Dec 18, 2012 - 09:42am PT
Is that what it has come to? I hope you make a ton, but..... just but.


Trad climber
Dec 18, 2012 - 09:46am PT
Not interested.
Fish Finder

Social climber
Dec 18, 2012 - 09:52am PT

Kind of like paint by number

Good Luck.

Trad climber
La Crescenta, CA
Dec 18, 2012 - 10:27am PT
Kinda cool. But when I can't get a problem I usually know what I have to do but just can't do it, or I'll save it for next time and figure it out then. Most of the fun is figuring out of to do it yourself.
Blodgett Goat

Trad climber
Missoula, Montana
Dec 18, 2012 - 10:43am PT
Not to bring you guys down but honestly I don't see this as a practical application to anyone.

Half the fun is figuring out the problem or route.

With that said I wish you the best!
the Fet

Dec 18, 2012 - 10:47am PT
It would work better if it was the shape of a smokin woman's body you were trying to catch. Or Arnold Schwarzenegger in his prime for the ladies, since he's from Graz.

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Dec 18, 2012 - 10:49am PT
You mean indoor "simulated" climbing.

Trad climber
30 mins. from suicide USA
Dec 18, 2012 - 11:25am PT
Sweet baby jesus..whats next.

Dec 18, 2012 - 11:26am PT
I wish you guys had been around to have recorded John Bachar (or any number of others) back in the day. Say a free solo of Nabisco Wall, and the Noobs could buy the movement video and a projector to try to recreate the freesolo up the Cookie on their own.

Trad climber
Dec 18, 2012 - 11:45am PT
Kind of seems like technologically driven spray...

Credit: socialclimber


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Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
Dec 18, 2012 - 12:05pm PT
Hmmm. There do seem to be a host of practical issues. I don't think it is an accident that the promo is shot of a traverse at the camera/projector level. For routes that go up, is the camera/projector going to be mounted on a pole and rigged to follow the climber up the climb? And if the camera/projector isn't fixed, there will critical alignment issues.

Perhaps I'm overly romantic about something that is being analyzed and systemized to death (this is a mathematician speaking, mind you), but my fantasy is such a system will show that there is something incredibly individual about how we solve climbing problems, most obviously because we come in different sizes and shapes, but more interestingly even when two climbers are more or less the same in their physiology. Things that work for one person don't work for another, and even indoors, when the setters plan for a move to be done in a certain way, they are often surprised to see the variety of solutions served up by the clientele.

What I am saying, or perhaps hoping, is that there might be less to learn from a paint-by-the-numbers training concept then one might think. I know this goes against the general concept of sharing beta, for which this device just the ultimate extension, but although I believe each climbing problem has an optimal solution for each individual climber, I kinda hope that there isn't such a thing as an optimal solution for all climbers.

On the flip side, if this eliminates having to listen to self-important as#@&%es bombarding you with beta unbidden, disguising the need to brag under a translucent veneer of helpfulness, then it could be, on balance, a pleasant addition to the social scene.

Dec 18, 2012 - 12:33pm PT
Couple of things:
1. Climbers each have their own physical dimensions and strengths. A particular problem may present reach difficulties that require concentrating on footwork for one. While someone with reach and the third class leverage problem those arms present, may find it to be an arm strength problem. Different people almost always do things differently. It would appear you have never tried to repeat exactly what another climber just did. You may need to climb a little more and let the technology wait.

The climber is always faced with figuring out the interrelationship between their body and its strengths, and the natural problem presented by the rock.

2. Using imaging technology to do that learning process for a person and doing it on cooked problems sets a person back. Never mind it ignores the thing that makes climbing interesting in the first place.

Long long ago I once followed Henry on a route I had freed. I decided to try and repeat exactly what he did. I simply could not do it. Fortunately I had saved enough energy then to do it the way I originally freed it.

You really need to do something like this. Also try climbing outdoors. You may find it enjoyable. A new experience.

If I had to guess, I would guess that Hugh Herr would have collected physiometric data comparing the strides of normal runners with those using his prostheses. That would be very interesting. I would think there would be some differences in the required musculature.

Dec 18, 2012 - 12:39pm PT
seems better suited for a dance class or maybe perfecting a golf swing

Sport climber
Dec 18, 2012 - 01:07pm PT
What is the point of this laser show?

People should learn to know how their body feels when moving where, not a laser to tell them.

Big Wall climber
san jose, ca
Dec 18, 2012 - 01:16pm PT
Credit: briham89
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Dec 18, 2012 - 01:17pm PT
What about the belayers inalienable right to yap at the leader, even if the belayer has never laid skin on the route.

Seriously, gym climbers are funny enough when they transition to trad climbing. We have all heard the rant "I climb V5 in the gym" followed by a retreat from a 5.8 lead. Of course Honnold is the exception

One needs to develop the ability to route find, this ain't gonna help.
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