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Nagilo
Gym climber
Graz, Austria
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Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 18, 2012 - 07:24am PT
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Dec 18, 2012 - 09:09am PT
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Interesting technology, you are facing a tough crowd here. I could see it working in a gym I guess.
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Edge
Trad climber
New Durham, NH
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Dec 18, 2012 - 09:26am PT
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I guess my biggest concern is how this will effect my claim of an onsite.
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Prod
Trad climber
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Dec 18, 2012 - 09:42am PT
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Is that what it has come to? I hope you make a ton, but..... just but.
Prod.
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Dec 18, 2012 - 09:46am PT
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Not interested.
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Fish Finder
Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
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Dec 18, 2012 - 09:52am PT
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Kind of like paint by number
Good Luck.
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Tfish
Trad climber
La Crescenta, CA
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Dec 18, 2012 - 10:27am PT
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Kinda cool. But when I can't get a problem I usually know what I have to do but just can't do it, or I'll save it for next time and figure it out then. Most of the fun is figuring out of to do it yourself.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Dec 18, 2012 - 10:47am PT
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It would work better if it was the shape of a smokin woman's body you were trying to catch. Or Arnold Schwarzenegger in his prime for the ladies, since he's from Graz.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Dec 18, 2012 - 10:49am PT
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You mean indoor "simulated" climbing.
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neversummer
Trad climber
30 mins. from suicide USA
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Dec 18, 2012 - 11:25am PT
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Sweet baby jesus..whats next.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Dec 18, 2012 - 11:26am PT
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I wish you guys had been around to have recorded John Bachar (or any number of others) back in the day. Say a free solo of Nabisco Wall, and the Noobs could buy the movement video and a projector to try to recreate the freesolo up the Cookie on their own.
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rgold
Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
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Dec 18, 2012 - 12:05pm PT
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Hmmm. There do seem to be a host of practical issues. I don't think it is an accident that the promo is shot of a traverse at the camera/projector level. For routes that go up, is the camera/projector going to be mounted on a pole and rigged to follow the climber up the climb? And if the camera/projector isn't fixed, there will critical alignment issues.
Perhaps I'm overly romantic about something that is being analyzed and systemized to death (this is a mathematician speaking, mind you), but my fantasy is such a system will show that there is something incredibly individual about how we solve climbing problems, most obviously because we come in different sizes and shapes, but more interestingly even when two climbers are more or less the same in their physiology. Things that work for one person don't work for another, and even indoors, when the setters plan for a move to be done in a certain way, they are often surprised to see the variety of solutions served up by the clientele.
What I am saying, or perhaps hoping, is that there might be less to learn from a paint-by-the-numbers training concept then one might think. I know this goes against the general concept of sharing beta, for which this device just the ultimate extension, but although I believe each climbing problem has an optimal solution for each individual climber, I kinda hope that there isn't such a thing as an optimal solution for all climbers.
On the flip side, if this eliminates having to listen to self-important as#@&%es bombarding you with beta unbidden, disguising the need to brag under a translucent veneer of helpfulness, then it could be, on balance, a pleasant addition to the social scene.
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jstan
climber
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Dec 18, 2012 - 12:33pm PT
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Couple of things:
1. Climbers each have their own physical dimensions and strengths. A particular problem may present reach difficulties that require concentrating on footwork for one. While someone with reach and the third class leverage problem those arms present, may find it to be an arm strength problem. Different people almost always do things differently. It would appear you have never tried to repeat exactly what another climber just did. You may need to climb a little more and let the technology wait.
The climber is always faced with figuring out the interrelationship between their body and its strengths, and the natural problem presented by the rock.
2. Using imaging technology to do that learning process for a person and doing it on cooked problems sets a person back. Never mind it ignores the thing that makes climbing interesting in the first place.
Long long ago I once followed Henry on a route I had freed. I decided to try and repeat exactly what he did. I simply could not do it. Fortunately I had saved enough energy then to do it the way I originally freed it.
You really need to do something like this. Also try climbing outdoors. You may find it enjoyable. A new experience.
Edit:
If I had to guess, I would guess that Hugh Herr would have collected physiometric data comparing the strides of normal runners with those using his prostheses. That would be very interesting. I would think there would be some differences in the required musculature.
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t-bone
climber
Bishop
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Dec 18, 2012 - 12:39pm PT
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seems better suited for a dance class or maybe perfecting a golf swing
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Dec 18, 2012 - 01:07pm PT
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What is the point of this laser show?
People should learn to know how their body feels when moving where, not a laser to tell them.
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briham89
Big Wall climber
san jose, ca
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Dec 18, 2012 - 01:16pm PT
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Dec 18, 2012 - 01:17pm PT
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What about the belayers inalienable right to yap at the leader, even if the belayer has never laid skin on the route.
Seriously, gym climbers are funny enough when they transition to trad climbing. We have all heard the rant "I climb V5 in the gym" followed by a retreat from a 5.8 lead. Of course Honnold is the exception
One needs to develop the ability to route find, this ain't gonna help.
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chill
climber
between the flat part and the blue wobbly thing
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Dec 18, 2012 - 01:33pm PT
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many beginners have problems to improve their climbing techniques and cant’t reach higher levels of dificulities. Sometimes this can be so frustrating that they even stop climbing.
1.)Dealing with the difference between expectation and reality is part of growing up.
2.) Some people should stop climbing, it ain't for everyone.
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karodrinker
Trad climber
San Jose, CA
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Dec 18, 2012 - 01:40pm PT
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what a great invention, I hate having to use my brain to solve problems.
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ruppell
climber
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Dec 18, 2012 - 01:50pm PT
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Rgold said:
On the flip side, if this eliminates having to listen to self-important as#@&%es bombarding you with beta unbidden, disguising the need to brag under a translucent veneer of helpfulness, then it could be, on balance, a pleasant addition to the social scene.
LMAO.
Didn't some gunks climbers use an old beta-max to film themselves back in the day? Then use that footage to critique their climbing move by move? Hence the modern term beta. I blame those guys for the "BETA SPRAYDOWN" that Rgold hints at so eloquently. Not saying I agree with it just pointing out some of the history of such things.
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