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Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Dec 14, 2012 - 01:33pm PT
We had the same drugs, same mental illnesses, same weapons, etc...

Locker, we did not have the same access to PCP, Meth, etc back then

nor could anyone, anyone, be able to buy full military mega clip assault weapons when you and I were growing up
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Dec 14, 2012 - 01:34pm PT
22 children injured in Chinese knife attack at elementary school.....


Injured is a lot different than dead.


Susan
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Dec 14, 2012 - 01:34pm PT
Norton writes:

"nor could anyone, anyone, be able to buy full military mega clip assault weapons when you and I were growing up"

Until '68, you could buy guns through THE MAIL, Norton. No questions asked.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Dec 14, 2012 - 01:35pm PT
way more kids coming from broken families...

Locker, I do not think the evidence shows that. Crime is at historic lows, due in large part to the easy availability of abortion. See Freakonomics, great book.

Many of these mass murders come from good solid families. The Batman guy, obviously mentally ill was successful in his own right, family was very successful. The Oregon shooter was on his way to Maui, WTF? Sadly some sick individuals have found a way to check out and exact some revenge on society for some perceived slight. What drives society crazy is the fact that we can not pass some law to stop it.
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.
Dec 14, 2012 - 01:35pm PT
meChrist, I am stealing that. It is a very Good Point.

I myself won't need a gun, I want to kill that bastard with my bare hands. My God I feel so bad for the families involved. All I need to do is look at my son, think of someone hurting him and I start shaking.


Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Dec 14, 2012 - 01:35pm PT
Now the count is up to 27 dead

at least 100 rounds heard fired

Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Dec 14, 2012 - 01:37pm PT
Locker, in the 1950s?

well, that was when I was a kid

even in the 1960s, white kids smoking reefer was a big deal

but yeah, alcohol has always been available
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 14, 2012 - 01:39pm PT
22 children injured in Chinese knife attack at elementary school.....

How many mass knife attacks have there been in China in the last twenty years? In a country with a BILLION more people than we have.

Don't give me this bullshit that guns don't have anything to do with it.

Why aren't these guys doing their deeds with paper airplanes 'n' sh#t?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Dec 14, 2012 - 01:39pm PT
Until '68, you could buy guns through THE MAIL, Norton. No questions asked.


really?

you could buy full military assault weapons 40 years ago

anyone? no background checks?

the military allowed that back then?

ok, if you say so
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 14, 2012 - 01:40pm PT
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1883519/The-Gun-debate-sandbox
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 14, 2012 - 01:41pm PT
Heard on the early morning news about a mass knife attack, with twenty or so victims by a deranged guy at an elementary school in China that happened yesterday.

Wonder if one event inspired the other.
mitchy

Trad climber
new england
Dec 14, 2012 - 01:41pm PT
Who gives sh#t what you could do 40 yrs. ago. 18 kids were killed TODAY.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Dec 14, 2012 - 01:42pm PT
My theory? 24 hour news cycle, sensational coverage. The copycat theory is significant. These are people who might have just killed themselves, but now they get motivated to go out with a bang.

If there were more broken families crime would be up across the board. Like I said, crime is way down. These killers do not come from horrific family back grounds.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 14, 2012 - 01:42pm PT
It looks like our country turns out its own share of psychopath terrorists.


You mean worse than Benghazi? *gasp*

Better stay on top of this one Ron, lots of dead innocent Americans.
Batrock

Trad climber
Burbank
Dec 14, 2012 - 01:42pm PT
Tragic, no easy answers. Mexico has a very restrictive gun law yet it's no secret how that is working out. Something has to be done I the family front and the mental health care front. I am in agreement with some of the previous posts concerning broken families and the effect it has on our society. I wish people would put as much effort into their family relationships as they do arguing over petty $hit on the interweb.
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Dec 14, 2012 - 01:43pm PT
A culture of violence.
We train and desensitize our children from a very young age.

Horrible horrible, disgusting.
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.
Dec 14, 2012 - 01:48pm PT
All I can say is there is a difference on how we allow bad behavior in this generation than others. Before if a kid hurts your daughter, it was perfectly alright for the father and brothers to make amends. Now... Nothing is really done. If a kid attacks another kid, it isn't a real crime since heck... They are kids. Kids get bullied and grow up into broken individuals and bullies grow up into some real evil folks since no one ever checked their behavior.

I can be wrong about this but.... From my life experience this is what I saw. I grew up with a socialpath. He is now living in jail for the rape and murder of a young girl. Before that he terrorized and did really horrible things in school and since he was nice looking with good grades... No one ever stopped him until he got bigger. In my mind, he needed some big consequences. The bigger the better.

survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 14, 2012 - 01:49pm PT
You mean worse than Benghazi? *gasp*

Better stay on top of this one Ron, lots of dead innocent Americans.

That was too good to not repost. And predictably Ron, you say there's no connection to guns.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Dec 14, 2012 - 01:50pm PT
WLM get real, guns are a part of the problem....notice the 23 in China were injured, not killed. The availability of so many guns of all types does not cause the strange twists in the brains of sick people but it certainly facilitates their murderous intent.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Dec 14, 2012 - 01:50pm PT
Ron, you couldn't buy military weapons during the great depression.

Crime is at historic lows...
per capita.

God is very patient...

Some say patient, some say lazy, other say absurd. Either way, if it makes you feel better to involve your imaginary friend, so be it, as long as they don't tell you to start buying guns... but most "god fearing Uhmerikuhns" can't seem to live without a few.
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