"Real Nose" - appropriate name?

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Fossil climber

Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 9, 2012 - 04:31pm PT
I guess everybody says something controversial sooner or later and gets copiously dumped on. My turn.

I have an uneasy feeling about a route close to The Nose being called “The Real Nose.” As opposed to what? The False Nose?

If someone announces he’s climbed the Nose, one might ask, “The Real Nose, or the other one?”

I have a feeling there would be a bit of an uproar if a new route near the Salathe was called “The Real Salathe”, or one of the routes on Sentinel were called “The Real Steck-Salathe”. Or a slight alternative on Everest’s West Ridge were to be called “The Real West Ridge”. You can imagine all sorts of others.

The point is that calling a route “The Real...” connotes that the original was false, or somehow lesser.

I suspect that what is being called The Real Nose is a superb climb, harder than The Nose and maybe more direct, and I don’t think there was a conscious denigration of the original route when it was named. But “real” carries a negative connotation for the original. I think I’ll call it what it’s also known as, the Competitive Edge, just to soothe my delicate feelings.

Thoughts?

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 9, 2012 - 04:35pm PT
you have a point..
enjoimx

Trad climber
Yosemite, ca
Dec 9, 2012 - 04:35pm PT
Totally Inappropriate
It's just WRONG
Let's just rename it. Case closed.
WBraun

climber
Dec 9, 2012 - 04:35pm PT
You think too much.

Modern people over think everything and unnecessarily tax their brains where there's no real reason too .....
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 9, 2012 - 04:38pm PT
^^^ The real Werner.
Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Dec 9, 2012 - 04:38pm PT
^^^^^

according to the duck no one climbs the real Nose anymore
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Dec 9, 2012 - 05:01pm PT
What about that other route, "The False Shield"? Does that mean the "real" Shield is more worthy?
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Dec 9, 2012 - 05:03pm PT
The original west ridge route on Everest strayed away from the upper ridge into the Hornbein Couloir. When the Yugoslavs did the ridge itself, it simply became the west ridge direct, which seems apropos.
toadgas

Trad climber
los angeles
Dec 9, 2012 - 05:03pm PT
traitor horn vs the "true" horn...this concept goes waaaaay back
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Dec 9, 2012 - 05:04pm PT
^^^^ Werner ^^^^

Modern people over think everything and unnecessarily tax their brains where there's no real reason too .....

 leads me to believe that Werner is neither Modern nor a big thinker. He wouldn't want to tax his brain for no real reason…


Classic.


The Nose

Vs.

The Real Nose


Does it matter when you can climb either to gain the summit of El Cap?

Fossil climber

Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 9, 2012 - 05:06pm PT
Thanks, Werner! Long time since I've been called "modern"!
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Dec 9, 2012 - 05:08pm PT
I think he called it Real because it goes more up the actualy point of the south buttress of El Cap, as opposed to The Nose which goes up the most natural line, but wanders around a bit.

I also believe he prefers it known as The Competitive Edge.
Melissa

Gym climber
berkeley, ca
Dec 9, 2012 - 05:08pm PT
Was the Nose of El Cap called the Nose before Harding et al. named their route?
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Dec 9, 2012 - 05:11pm PT
If there is an iconic climb in American climbing history, it is the Nose: no protection needed, status assured.
Fossil climber

Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 9, 2012 - 05:14pm PT
I remember hearing called the Prow, the Nose, the SW Buttress. Perhaps Harding fixed the name on it.

The Nose Direct seems like an option. But whomever climbed it has the call - just thought I'd stir things up a bit. Harding sure as hell would have!
toadgas

Trad climber
los angeles
Dec 9, 2012 - 05:21pm PT
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The Competitive Edge sounds like an underarm deodorant...I like "The Real Nose"
Park Rat

Social climber
CA, UT,CT,FL
Dec 9, 2012 - 05:31pm PT
I have to agree with Wayne on this one.

Harding would've blown a gasket at the thought of someone knocking off The Nose title.

Why not call it call it Not the Real Nose Route or something to that effect.
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Dec 9, 2012 - 05:36pm PT
Wayne-The name Real Nose was never something that Charles Cole and I ever discussed or agreed upon and it came into existence because Charles wrote a survey article about El Cap and needed a name. He had done a solo near the Shield, mentioned in the article as the False Shield which though suitably hard at A5, didn't quite work out higher hence the name.

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=924488&msg=931725#msg931725

We had discussed the Competitive Edge and it caught on with the 5th pitch which we named The Head of the Charles after the rowing event. I have pushed the Competitive Edge as the name for the route because we both left it out on the field for the next party. Difficult free climbing and some spicy aid combined for a really satisfying experience. The last of our routes together.

The Competitive Edge and the Central Scrutinizer climb the prow of the Nose directly and I have always had a fascination with that most airy part of the Captain. These routes are both about position and the desire to be out on that edge.

When I did the Central Scrutinizer with Jay Ladin, we reached a spot that was so perfectly exposed that I rapped all the way down to the end of a rope at days end and pushed out from the wall as hard as I could in a naive attempt to see all of El Cap at once. It was still too rounded but I had a grand time bouncing around trying! A much longer rope might have done the trick.

So in closing, no disrespect was intended to any part of the Original Nose route or any of the personnel involved by having this route deemed "Real". It was not about comparison and more a question of editorial convenience.

Nothing short of REAL about you gentlemen, your line or your effort.

There can be only one NOSE on this Captain.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Dec 9, 2012 - 06:52pm PT
The real nose:

guido

Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
Dec 9, 2012 - 07:00pm PT
I grew up to "Goodnight Mrs Calabash, wherever you are." One of my dad's fav tv programs.
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