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Juan Maderita

Trad climber
"OBcean" San Diego, CA
Dec 3, 2012 - 08:35pm PT
I filled to about 1/8 inch from where the neck comes out of radiator, so should be able to easily tell if some is used, but wouldn't know if it is leaking or going out that overflow hose.

You are overfilling the radiator. As the engine warms up, coolant will start spitting out from the overflow tube. After the engine cools and you pull the radiator cap, the coolant level should be about 3/4" to 1" (guessing) below the bottom of the neck. That is normal. If you expect it to be full, then you will believe your system has a leak and keep adding fluid. Guaranteed, it will "use" a quart of coolant every time you drive it!

If you add an aftermarket overflow tank, then the radiator will be completely full when cold. Repeating myself here: get one, even if you have to use a Gatorade bottle and zip ties.

BLUEBLOCR wrote about trapped air in the block. That's why you want a small hole(s) in your new thermostat. And, as he recommends, run the heater for a couple minutes to get the trapped air out of the heater core and hoses.
Juan Maderita

Trad climber
"OBcean" San Diego, CA
Dec 3, 2012 - 08:58pm PT
And I got the key to unlock the tire cap and I cannot budge it. WD40 did not make it any more possible for me. I worry there is some trick I don't get, because it doesn't feel like it is seating as evenly and solidly as I would expect.
What's a "tire cap"?

FYI - the guy at the shop had to use all his might to get that wheel lock to loosen.
What's a "wheel lock"? Do you mean a "locking lug nut"?

If having difficulty removing locking lug nuts, try over-torqueing the adjacent lug nuts; the nuts on either side of the locking lug nut. It's a little trick I learned working on repos, when we never had the key. Then I'd beat an impact socket over the top of it with a hammer. The locking nut will spin off with less resistance. Buy regular lug nuts and throw the PITA locking lug nuts away. More people get stranded by not having the key when it is needed or from the key having insufficient grip strength to handle the torque needed for removal.
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Dec 3, 2012 - 09:04pm PT
If having difficulty removing locking lug nuts, try over-torqueing the adjacent lug nuts; the nuts on either side of the locking lug nut. It's a little trick I learned working on repos, when we never had the key. Then I'd beat an impact socket over the top of it with a hammer. The locking nut will spin off with less resistance. Buy regular lug nuts and throw the PITA locking lug nuts away. More people get stranded by not having the key when it is needed or from the key having insufficient grip strength to handle the torque needed for removal.

This is classic.
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Dec 3, 2012 - 09:10pm PT
the van needed alignment and ignored it thinking "welll, I will have to get it don in CA."

Yeah, alignment will wear down your tires.

Consider the Firestone lifetime alignment. It's good at any Firestone (hold onto your paperwork). Sometimes they do a "less than ideal" job, but it's better than nothing :-). (I have no financial interest in Firestone).


Regarding the spare tire: Sounds like you need a rim that fits your lug pattern.

The tire width isn't as big a deal... The total diameter of the tire is a combination of the width and the wall height -- thin tires can have the same total diameter as regular tires because they are taller. Most spares are much thinner than the full-size tires, and many are smaller diameter.

Yeah, you shouldn't drive long-distance on one wrong-sized tire, but it's a spare. You're not supposed to drive long distance on it anyway.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Dec 4, 2012 - 02:05am PT
hey there say, happigrrl, oh no... i been so worried about teddy since i been reading your story here...

finally got to just sit down and go through it...
:O

man oh man, you sure have had a mess, :O and man oh man,
these taco guys sure know a lot!

they are wonderful!


am still praying for you to be safe... and get there in good time...
thankful that you have had safe spots to be stuck at... whewww...

you are sure able to hang in there, that's for sure, without
getting so ovewhelmed that YOU have your flat: as to spirit getting down...


god bless... keep on getting taco help...
prayers for teddy...
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 4, 2012 - 07:38am PT
You are overfilling the radiator...level should be about 3/4" to 1" (guessing) below the bottom of the neck...you will believe your system has a leak and keep adding fluid. Guaranteed, it will "use" a quart of coolant every time you drive it!

I only filled it like that this last time because I wanted to have a good gauge as to where the level was at next time I looked. Otherwise I put it to the 3/4 from neck(my van had the owner's manual, which was very helpful and I did read cover to cover right away. I learned some things for this van that went different to ideas I have had about cars from over the years).

A quart of coolant each time? REALLY?

What's a "tire cap"?
Probably the wrong term. The wheels have a lock on a metal plate about 6 inches diameter in the center of the rim, and you insert a tool that looks like a socket wrench end and has a T-like end to help turn it. Same concept as a locking lug nut but not on a plate instead of nut.


I agree that Juan Madiera's Repo Man tip is a classic example of what makes Supertopo the best damned niche topic(Climbing, in case anyone wonders) discussion board in the world. But that tip would be a good one to know if you came across a person with a flat who didn't have the key.

Consider the Firestone lifetime alignment.

I know I do need to get the alignment or I will just eat tires. This one showed me the error of my ways. Will look into the Firestone thing.

Regarding the spare tire: Sounds like you need a rim that fits your lug pattern.

I will ask the tire guys what the deal is. The rim fit onto the lug nuts when the guy put it on yesterday. When he went to put on the nuts, he said "These nuts won't work on this rime." I was surprised about that, but thought it must be that the regular rims are fancy and have fancy long nuts with a covered end, and the spare in a very basic rim, that there might be some issue with the length of the post exposed. That the spare might have a longer length exposed and the nut unable to turn down tight to the rim.



So, back to the coolant issue. After the last post from JLP, I fear I would be taking an unnecessary risk to continue on without having that looked at. The next big town is Albequerque, 300 miles west. In between, very small to towns by name only.

I know that I cannot change the thermostat by myself. Like I said - with a person with a clue watching, yeah I could. But I don't have that. So I am going to ask the tire guys for recommendations and see if I can get the van looked at today.


Teddy is touch and go. I hope he will eat later today because I wonder if some of his weakness isn't due to not eating since Friday night. That is probably wishful thinking, unfortunately.
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Dec 4, 2012 - 08:30am PT
I'm really sorry to hear Teddy is ailing. I hope he feels better very soon. Do you think it's the plastic bag eating thing? Did that clear up? Thinking of you two.

And I'm glad to hear you'll get the thermostat thing taken care of there. Delaying action will only create more mechanical (and other) problems and be FAR more costly in the long (and in this case, short) run.
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Dec 4, 2012 - 09:11am PT
If you are going to Albq, you could have Jeremys Mom look at it for you.































(completely unhelpful post, but it does bump this and anytime you can fit Jeremys Mom into a post, well it should be done.)
locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 4, 2012 - 09:20am PT

"But, I was very nice to the tire guys, and even gave him a little jolly"...






I'm too tired this morning to work that one...

But BOI oh BOI it's a doozy!!!...

LOL!!!....

Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Dec 4, 2012 - 09:21am PT
Ha! Locker - I saw it earlier and thought all sorts of very immature and pesky posts (a specialty of mine). Alas, I was working and too tired to be a pest. :) Still, I got a chuckle out of it too.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 4, 2012 - 09:58am PT
That was meant to get a few laughs out of people (unless "a jolly" means a LOT more than just giving some guy, who you both know it ain't going there, a feeling of at least being recognized as a man.


Teddy saw the vet yesterday and she did not feel there was an obstruction in his abdomen from the symptoms (not tense in the abdomen, able to keep down water, and also a rectal exam). She said he is passing whatever is in him through, though there was a bit of duty which was hard...within reach. But to know for sure would be x-rays or a Laparoscopy, which would be the next step if that avenue would be pursued. I know it is a multi-thousand dollar operation if there were an obstruction and I hope people will not say cruel things at this time when I say I would not go that route. I love Teddy beyond anything and he has been as much a therapy dog for me as a regular dog.

She gave him injections which reduce vomit potential, and he hasn't vomited since. I gave him the first pill version this morning. He also got antibiotic injection yesterday, and his first pill this morning. He got most of those pills in him. I covered them with salmon oil to make the spit out more difficult and he luckily started chewing them as he attempted to get rid of them.

I put out food for him a while ago and he did come look at it twice, so that is a good sign. But he hasn't eaten any. Maybe he will later today, or after the next set of pills.

If I had to say what is going on, I would guess that Teddy is having Kidney failure, or a better situation would be that he has Diabetes. He was not drinking massive amounts of water though in the recent past though, which is a symptom in both those. Another for Diabetes is big appetite, while still losing weight. The vet said another possibility is Pancreatitis, which can happen when dogs eat strange things. Teddy would eat anything and though I tried to limit his ability to do so, he was always tricky about getting at the things to late for me to do anything.

So, yeah. I am having a tough time right now.


neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Dec 4, 2012 - 12:46pm PT
hey there say, happigrrl...

i was wondering too, if there is some kind of fumes that may be bothering teddy... dogs etc, are suseptable to that...

but after reading that the vet took care of him already, they
got the situation handled, i see..

will still be praying for teddy...

JLP

Social climber
The internet
Dec 4, 2012 - 12:54pm PT
One more thought:

Pets are attracted to the taste of antifreeze...

http://www.2ndchance.info/antifreeze.htm

eKat

Trad climber
BackInTheDitch BackInTheDirt BackInTheDay
Dec 4, 2012 - 01:10pm PT
One more thought:

Pets are attracted to the taste of antifreeze...

http://www.2ndchance.info/antifreeze.htm

GOOD DEDUCTION!

Happ. . . think about that and how Teddy's feeling.

?

OXOXO
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 4, 2012 - 01:24pm PT
I know that antifreeze is poison for dogs(or any living being), but am glad it is mentioned because that is something a lot of people do not realize(also that dogs are interested in it's taste which makes it even worse).

I keep the jug in a spot he cannot get to for SURE and am always careful to it wash off if even the smallest dribble gets on the outside.

I got a referral to a guy who can look at the van, but haven't called yet as I was just so overwhelmed earlier, after writing about Teddy, that I could barely function. I will make the call soon.

He got a little walk and peed just now, and was stronger at the start. But he tired easily, which of course I understand. I am careful to try to get him a little work to keep moving, but not push him at all. He looked at the food again, but not a nibble yet. He does seem to be less uncomfortable than yesterday, middle night and early this morning and that is good. But when he goes to his water, the intake is bordering on too much. Bordering, but he is also not going to it regularly, so may be that he is taking more during the fewer times he drinks. Also, I guess it would really be the amount he would drink at a time if he was in good shape, and I am being hypervigilent, so maybe there is nothing to worry about with that.
Juan Maderita

Trad climber
"OBcean" San Diego, CA
Dec 4, 2012 - 02:08pm PT
My understanding is that in recent years, most or all automotive antifreeze has an added bittering agent. Too many pets, children (and spouses or ex-spouses) were dying.

There were Federal bills which never passed. Not sure currently, but it may be up to individual State legislation. Does anyone know the details?

Happy, when you asked "Really?" to my comment about losing a quart of coolant, I suppose that I didn't make it clear with my quotation marks around "use." To be clear, if you overfill the radiator to 1/8" below the neck, then as the engine warms, approximately 1 quart of coolant will expand and be ejected out the overflow tube and onto the road. So, you would lose a quart of coolant each time you overfill the radiator.

Hope your Teddy is getting well.
JLP

Social climber
The internet
Dec 4, 2012 - 02:51pm PT
So, you would lose a quart of coolant each time you overfill the radiator.
This is not correct. As the coolant gets hot and expands, it goes into the reservoir, changing it from the "Cool" fluid level to the "Hot" level. When the engine cools, it will draw the coolant back into the radiator/cooling system. This assumes no leaks and a working radiator cap. There should in fact be no air in the system - just coolant. That would be a sign of a problem. A correctly functioning system will purge itself of air, through the cap and into the overflow, then draw in coolant from the reservoir until the air is displaced.
eKat

Trad climber
BackInTheDitch BackInTheDirt BackInTheDay
Dec 4, 2012 - 02:53pm PT
Happ. . . I wasn't thinking about Teddy licking the jug of the stuff, I was more thinking of the possibility of him licking it off the ground where you park.

?

Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Dec 4, 2012 - 02:56pm PT
This is not correct. As the coolant gets hot and expands, it goes into the reservoir, changing it from the "Cool" fluid level to the "Hot" level. When the engine cools, it will draw the coolant back into the radiator/cooling system.

Normally that would be true, but as stated up thread, there is no reservoir, just a radiator.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Dec 4, 2012 - 03:18pm PT
hey there say, happiegirrrl... not sure if this can ease your mind,
but STILL keep checking teddy, but:

read the medication warnings and notations:

some will say that your pet will be more thristy than usualy...

some will say this is normal...
some will say, appetitite will either increase or decrease, as well...

hard stuff to go through when 'babies' are sick..
and one the road, as we all know, how much worse...

hugs and best wishes and more prayers...
also, keep an eye out, on who helps you too, as--some folks can
have bad intentions, as well...

keep in touch with folks by phone, etc, as you do all this...




man oh man, will you HEAR A GEAT CHEER AND sighs of relief! when
you reach the finish line,:O :)
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