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John M

climber
Dec 7, 2012 - 01:28pm PT
Hey Werner.. I thought you were just pulling Terri's leg. So I was just trying to mess with you back. Thats all. Didn't mean anything by it except trying to make a joke.

I forgeo about street view, and was thinking you had access to some satellite.. haha.. I know less about computers then Terri does about autos.
John M

climber
Dec 7, 2012 - 01:31pm PT
Its Texas. you will run into some strange senses of humor. But you will also find a lot of good people. they may not know sh#t..like me. But they are often willing to help.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 7, 2012 - 01:36pm PT
Teddy: I can't recall where I left off, so wil just copy what I wrote to someone this morning.


He made his first poop last night - what a mess, and I have never been so happy to see it, clean up after it in my life.

He has been eating, though I can only give him small amounts at a time.

...after I picked him up yetserday I was going to have the van looked at and got lost, so stopped to ask directions. When I went back to the van, I opened the side door to check Teddy. and he was at the door, laying down with his front legs folded and looking so damned cute. I didn't know if he had to go out, but yesp, he did. He started limping over to pee spots, and found a good one and peed like a beer drinker. Back to the van, he stuck his noe in his bowl and loooked at me like "And you didn't think ahead to have my food ready?" He gobbled up the small bits and would have taken more but I didn't want to ive too much after his stomach had been empty so long.

He ate small amounts more throughout the day, and today I will start to increase the amounts just a little, but try to feed more frequently as well.

**

This morning he stayed in bed and I didn't press, but finally I got out the dog food and that got him to raise up. He was happy to eat, and did with enthusiasm. I made sure his medicine was in the first mouthful just in case he lost interest. But when he ate that all in one bite he looked at me like "I need more than THAT!"

I gave him about double the amounts he got in a feeding yesterday, but it is still less that a full feeding (he normally gets fed 2 x a day).

Then he got his walk, and he is limping from where the IV was, which seems odd and I hope goes away soon. He gets tired fast and has to stop and wait. I think he may be pretty sore too.

he made a second poop this morning. Better consistency than last night, but I will want to get some cooked rice to add to his meal for the next feedings.

He's sitting by me here now, and has put his head up to look around a couple times. Slow but steady, it seems he is coming up.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 7, 2012 - 02:07pm PT
Okay -

Radiator Cap.

I know - I KNOW!


They ran coolant system pressure check - ok
Head Gasket check - okay
CO2 - okay

Radiator cap - no pressure.

New cap installed at probably twice what it would have cost had I done it in the beginning. Like so many told me to.
10b4me

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Dec 7, 2012 - 02:28pm PT
Terrie, glad to hear Teddy is doing better. Hopefully, the van is good to go.
John M

climber
Dec 7, 2012 - 02:35pm PT
Live and learn Terri, we have all been there. Are you still going to have the thermostat changed?
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Dec 7, 2012 - 02:45pm PT
Sweet I'm 2 for 2 on the happiegirl van diagnostics challenges!

All those clunkers over the years were good education.

Still be a good idea to replace that thermostat when you get a chance. Sounds like it's a bit of a pain to do on those vans. But unnless you run into corroded bolts it shouldn't be to tough. Wouldn't pay to have it done. Find a friend who can show you how. Like I said if by any chance you get within a couple hundred miles of Reno I'll be glad to do it.
Juan Maderita

Trad climber
"OBcean" San Diego, CA
Dec 7, 2012 - 02:54pm PT
Great news. The bad radiator cap fully explains the overheating event and symptoms.
The van still needs #2, 3, & 4, referring to my previous post. No rush on installing an expansion tank, but by now you can see why having one is advantageous.
Good luck to you and your pooch as you head west.
JLP

Social climber
The internet
Dec 7, 2012 - 03:06pm PT
New cap installed at probably twice what it would have cost had I done it in the beginning.
This sounds like a better mechanic than the last one.

You've gotten away cheap, so far.

You still need a new thermostat!

I believe in following the OEM design intent 99.9% of the time, therefore I don't think you need an overflow tank unless it originally had one and it was removed.
hagerty

Social climber
A Sandy Area South of a Salty Lake
Dec 7, 2012 - 04:03pm PT
For all those saying how easy it is to replace the thermostat, recall that:
1. it's a 20 year old van, meaning there is the potential for lots of other gotchas - corroded/unmovable bolts, stripped threads, rounded bolt edges, etc. that HG doesn't know how to handle.

2. it's a van - you may have to remove 4 other things first just to get at the thermostat housing. One one of my old vehicles (not a van) I had to remove the fan to gain access to the bolts on the thermostat housing. To get access to the fan and the necessary clearance, I had to remove the radiator. To get at the radiator bolts, I had to remove the front grill. Suddenly an easy job is not so easy.

3. HG has a huge lack of auto repair/preventative maintenance knowledge (which she really needs to seriously address and remedy). Recall that she rejected the idea of the radiator cap being the culprit several times because it "looked fine" to her.

4. It's easy if you have the tools. Does HG have at least this?

happiegrrrl

Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 7, 2012 - 04:14pm PT
I have some of those tools, but not many. And though the van is old, it is in very good shape, so hopefully corroded parts aren't too bad(they sure were in the old van).

I do have the owners manual for this vehicle, and a generic Fix It book for the van. and it doesn't *look* that bad, but yeah, they say to follow a radiator hose back to the thermostat bolts and make no mention that I saw of having to remove stuff, but I am pretty sure that at least some stuff that is above there would have to come off.

It is the lack of confidence, the concern of strength needed when a bolt or scree won't give, and the concern as to finding a place to perform the job that isn't going to be a problem - safe enough that if I cannot do the work I can leave the van and get help, and remote enough that I won't get tooled, and clean enough that I won't be blowing dust and garbage into exposed openings.



Yes, I will get the thermostat replaced, but I am not doing it today.


Captain...or Skully

climber
Dec 7, 2012 - 04:15pm PT
Hagerty made a solid, valid point. You need more mechanical knowledge if you're gonna be a Road warrior, Ms. Terrie.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Dec 7, 2012 - 04:19pm PT
I believe in following the OEM design intent 99.9% of the time, therefore I don't think you need an overflow tank unless it originally had one and it was removed.

Generally good advice, but the lack of an overflow reservoir has long been a problem on cars. I remember my father putting one on his new 1967 Malibu, chronic overheater.

I checked and the 1990 Econoline did not come with one. I would add one. Having it allows you to more easily monitor coolant levels, since you can just look at the reservoir, even while the engine is hot, to see if the vehicle is losing coolant. Another symptom you can glean from the overflow is a leak in the coolant system. If the system is not sealed it will not pull water back out of the reservoir as the engine cools down.
JLP

Social climber
The internet
Dec 7, 2012 - 04:28pm PT
Go buy the thermostat, gasket and another jug of coolant and just have it with you in case of emergency in a place (or time) where a decent part is not available. Suggest the next NAPA.

If you are going to J-Tree (?), eventually you are likely to meet someone who might be willing to barter belays or cooking for the work.

+1 for the fact that this could be really simple and done in 5 mins, or 1 frozen bolt could turn it into an epic.

Also - just to be clear - you said your guage is reading high. This means your thermostat has been damaged. There is no other likely cause.
Juan Maderita

Trad climber
"OBcean" San Diego, CA
Dec 7, 2012 - 05:58pm PT
Happie, it seems that our crew here on ST are glad to help out with advice. You can help make it easier for us. A suggestion for the next time you have mechanical problems:
1. Clearly identify the make, model, year, engine, transmission, EFI vs. carbureted, etc., in the original post.
2. Keep it to facts and on topic. Start a separate thread for personal issues.

neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Dec 7, 2012 - 07:08pm PT
hey there say, happiergirrrl... where are you pulling into, as your:
'i'm here! ' spot..?

hope that somewhere there will take you our for a VICTORY meal, :))

you SURE earned it! as to yourself and winning the ol'
'race to stay afloat' :)


getting my three cheers and more, ready for when you cross the
finish line--course, you MAY just want to go to SLEEP then...perhap
all our cheering would wake you up, ;)
we could keep it at a whisper, ;)


we are all rooting so deeply for you, as you know,
:)
Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Dec 7, 2012 - 08:10pm PT
Glad to hear the problem has been fixed for now, and that your pup is doing better.

I'm not sure how much longer you will be traveling before you get to JT, but if you are coming through Vegas I'd be happy to change the thermostat out for you, if you haven't already taken care of it by then.

We will be taking a trip to Josh next month at some point, if you are there by then let's meet up.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 7, 2012 - 08:12pm PT
JLP - Noted, and thanks for all your help(eidt - Will pick up those items tomorrow before I continue on)

Juan Madiera - Thank you too. I do apologize for getting personal stuff mixed in. I know not everyone has time, nor desire, to wade through, and especially in something like this where good auto experience is a niche and you want to help with that area you specialize in.

Jeremy - I happen to be in your town tonight, if you live where your profile says. If you'd like we can meet, so I can tell you to bite me in person.
ruppell

climber
Dec 7, 2012 - 08:24pm PT
Jeremy - I happen to be in your town tonight, if you live where your profile says. If you'd like we can meet, so I can tell you to bite me in person.


BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Classic.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Dec 7, 2012 - 08:25pm PT
Jeremy, be a gentleman and meet Terrie (and Teddy) tonight, and buy her a drink (non-alcoholic). But none of that mudpile 'climbing' stuff, eh?
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