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happiegrrrl

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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2012 - 03:27pm PT
Here is the updates:

Teddy saw the vet this morning and now we must wait to see how he responds to fluids and antibiotics. The main issue is there is something going on with his kidneys, but at this time we need to wait to find out what level the problem is at. The doctor says he also has in infection, and that his potassium level is very low(probably due to the vomiting). He is on IV fluids and staying tonight at the vets.

As for the van, my friend Kate suggested that since I had said the people at the vet office seemed to be very caring and careful, that maybe they might have a good mechanic suggestion. The front desk woman called the vet who had just seen Teddy - on lunch - to ask him if he had any ideas, and he gave the name of the guy he knows. When I called and mentioned the referral, the mechanic knew instantly. So either this vet has a lot of car troubles, or they are both just two good guys who know each other well.

I will go to the mechanic after I finish at the vet tomorrow. That feels very uncomfortable right now because this is all excruciatingly exhausting and I don't know what will happen at the vet office.

I am going to explain what happened with the van and see what he has to say.
Abend

Social climber
Dec 5, 2012 - 04:37pm PT
That was a good call on Kate's part regarding the mechanic. Sending healing vibes to you and Teddy.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Dec 5, 2012 - 05:14pm PT
hey there say, happiegrrl... still praying and hoping...

has the vet said anything about this being harder on teddy, due to age, etc...

or, since dogs are not like humans, and usually in better shape, can they handle this stuff better...

it seems that one good night of rest at the vet, with all the help he is
getting would do him a great step forward to getting well...

god bless to you, and renewed hopes of good mechanic being around...
:)
locker

Social climber
State of KUMBAYA!!!
Dec 5, 2012 - 05:15pm PT

Good luck with it all Terrie...

Especially with your pooch...

Hope the little critter feels better SOON!!!...

SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Dec 5, 2012 - 05:20pm PT
Oh Teddie, little fluff of love, heal up!

Susan


Thinking of you Terrie!
happiegrrrl

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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2012 - 05:46pm PT
One thing the Vet said was that his very low potassium might be responsible for him feeling so poorly. I am torn to believe that was making him seem a lot worse, and would be remedied with the IV treatment, and not going into denial that tomorrow may be a very tough day.

Thanks for the kind words and thoughts. I am so tired it is hard to get much done in a day. I finished two chalkbags and still have another to go for an order I said would be in tomorrow's mail(they will be okay if a day late in sending, so I am not going to push it). And I called for the van appointment, but other than that I don't have much energy available.
happiegrrrl

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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2012 - 10:29am PT
Update: Good news.

Teddy isn't out of the woods, but all but one of his levels has returned to a normal range(yesterday there were some very serious elevations and too low's). I will pick him up at 11.

He is still incredibly week, and when I went to visit him I thought today was the day to say good bye. That may still come, because he has got to start eating again, which he hasn't yet. The doctor checked for Pancreatitis, which is very bad, and he does not have it. He will continue with antibiotics.

Teddy would have died from this had it not been for the insistence of Kate and Sonya that I take him in to the Vet, and their help in paying this bill. I don't have words to properly express all that is going on with that.


As for the van, I am taking it for a look-at once I get Teddy. Hopefully he will find nothing serious.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 6, 2012 - 11:14am PT
He is still incredibly week, and when I went to visit him I thought today was the day to say good bye. That may still come, because he has got to start eating again, which he hasn't yet.

Medical Marijuana? Really, kinda serious

locker

Social climber
State of KUMBAYA!!!
Dec 6, 2012 - 11:20am PT

Don't give your dog Medical Weed...

NOT a good idea!!!...

10b4me

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Dec 6, 2012 - 11:23am PT
Best of luck to Teddy, and you too Terrie
happiegrrrl

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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2012 - 01:36pm PT
For those who are more interested in the van - I got the green light to proceed. They listened to the story, checked the level, checked the temp gauge and drove it, and said they see no reason it isn't good to go. He told me that the higher elevation here will make an engine run hotter than it would in NY, which can explain why it does rest at the halfway mark when it would have been about 1/4 to 1/3 in NY. I mentioned the "get that thermostat out" suggestions and he didn't seem to think it would need to be done.

Of course I am still nervous, especially since this section of road is a long one until another sizable town. But there are several rest stops along it, as well as a few small towns. I am just going to have to take a deep breath and trust it will be okay.


Now, Teddy

Locker, no need to worry, I would never give Teddy pot. Jeepers Karl!

When I went to pick him up from the vet, his eyes were bright and he was supporting himself in the vet tech's arms. Big difference than the morning, but he was still asleep when I saw him then and they woke him up for me(which I wouldn't have done, but how would they have known).

Still clearly weak thought, but as I was on the way to mechanic I got lost and stopped somewhere for directions. When I got back to the van, I said "Let me look in on Teddy" and opened the side door, to be surprised by him laying right there with his feet folded over the side where the step-down in the door is.

I wondered if he was scared or wanted to pee, so I took him out and he started quickly limping(from the IV owie) over to potty spots. He got to a grassy opne and lifted his leg, and balanced on his own, and - yup, he had to pee! Quite a bit.

Then I put him in the van and he went right to the food dish and was like "Ummm, hello!" He drank a good drink of water as I was getting some food out and was very happy to see that food and ate it at once.

I could only give him a small amount, since he's been not eating, but he would have taken more. I will give him more in a few hours.
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Dec 6, 2012 - 02:20pm PT
Question for those more knowledgeable... Would the difference in elevation between upstate NY (quick search shows high point there at 2300 ft ish) and near Amarillo (elev 3600 ish) really matter that much? Does that elevation explanation make sense in this case? What happens during the rest of the travel if it does? Curious.

Glad Teddy is feeling better!
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Dec 6, 2012 - 02:50pm PT
Question for those more knowledgeable... Would the difference in elevation between upstate NY (quick search shows high point there at 2300 ft ish) and near Amarillo (elev 3600 ish) really matter that much? Does that elevation explanation make sense in this case? What happens during the rest of the travel if it does? Curious.

Glad Teddy is feeling better!

doesnt make sense to me.

Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Dec 6, 2012 - 03:25pm PT
In a non-turbo charged vehicle you will experience a loss of power at altitude. Less power means less heat generated by the engine. The vehicle will use a little less gas, however that savings is usually lost from driving up and down hills. The altitude is not really a big factor on the route happie is on.

At higher elevations the air is thinner so the cooling ability of the air is reduced somewhat. In a properly operating cooling system there should be ample excess cooling capacity to provide for this loss of cooling. However if the cooling system is compromised by partial blockage or lack of fluid it could lead to overheating.
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Dec 6, 2012 - 03:36pm PT
Thanks Hawkeye and Jon. It seemed an odd explanation to me, but I also recognize I know little about cars, and even less about contemporary cars.
Bob Thomas

Social climber
Canyon Country
Dec 6, 2012 - 03:36pm PT
Happy- Been in your place with both a sick dog and van. Teddy's symptoms could be signs of Cushings Disease. That is a totally treatable problem. It does present as a kidney problem, but that is really a secondary characteristic.
As to your van overheating I think it's been well covered here.

Good Luck
bob thomas
John M

climber
Dec 6, 2012 - 03:42pm PT
Question for those more knowledgeable... Would the difference in elevation between upstate NY (quick search shows high point there at 2300 ft ish) and near Amarillo (elev 3600 ish) really matter that much? Does that elevation explanation make sense in this case? What happens during the rest of the travel if it does? Curious.

This is my understanding. Maybe one of the regular mechanics can verify.

A rise in elevation means less dense air. Less dense air means the carb is getting less air which means the air/fuel mixture gets more fuel. This is called a richer fuel mixture. I don't' know if a richer fuel mixture can cause an engine to run hot. I know a leaner mixture can make it run hot. When you go down in elevation you get more air, which means your air fuel ratio becomes higher in air then fuel. This is called leaning, or a lean fuel mixture. That can cause it to run hot. Don't ask me why.. that part I don't know.. heh heh. This happens to older autos that were tuned for higher elevations like Denver.

Modern autos have sensors that detect this and can change the air fuel mixture to keep it within good operating ranges. I don't know about Terri's van. It could be too old for this technology.

One thing that does happen with higher elevations is that an engine will lose horsepower. EDIT ( this next part is total speculation.. take with major grain of salt ) This might be the cause of the hotter temperature as less horsepower means you have to push it harder to get the same performance. But that is just a guess. Hopefully one of the more experienced mechanics can explain this in simple terms for us noobs. haha..

....

To me it sounds like it has a slow leak, or it needs the addition of an overflow container. The first place I would start with a slow leak is the radiator cap. I would have that pressure tested. The testing device is simple and many napa auto parts stores have one.

...

One side note. In the olden days many shops had spark plug testers. Those things were notorious for being wrong. One of my shop teachers had one and he showed us how you could mess with it so that you could get a bad reading. That way the shop sold more spark plugs. So I have always wondered about those pressure testers on radiator caps. I never had the nerve to ask them to, but I wanted them to also test the new cap to show me that the tester worked. I do know that replacing a cap has fixed a loss of coolant for one of my autos. So I do have experience with one of them going bad. The spring gets weak.
locker

Social climber
State of KUMBAYA!!!
Dec 6, 2012 - 03:47pm PT


Probably already been posted...

But can't you head to Pep BOI's or wherever and have a presure test run (for free)???...

Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Dec 6, 2012 - 03:49pm PT
Is 3000' considered elevation though? I could understand if she were at 15,000 feet but 3k?
locker

Social climber
State of KUMBAYA!!!
Dec 6, 2012 - 03:51pm PT
It shouldn't be for a fuel injected vehicle...

At least none of mine have EVER had an issue at that elevation...

Not even here, in Colorado in the Denver area has any of our vehicles had any issues...



EDITED:

At higher altitudes, used to stick a comb in the Butterfly when driving carburetored vehicles...
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