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John M

climber
Nov 30, 2012 - 02:58am PT
What you are is a person who over uses blanket statements and blanket ideology. You aren't stupid. But sometimes you certainly act as though you are.

I don't climb anymore. God had other plans for me.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Nov 30, 2012 - 03:16am PT
I could try to tie this my Communists thread but I'll try not to. The ocean is mesmerizing,

I dig the ocean prolly more than you, for like 35 years, and it is mesmerizing, and powerful.

Cool...the ocean is rad.

healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 30, 2012 - 08:36am PT
Non-native oysters and a long history of poor operations and debris pollution by the prior owner. It's a fair call.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Nov 30, 2012 - 10:49am PT
Bluering, why do you ALWAYS use childish, inflammatory and derogatory language to describe people who disagree with you? You talk tough, but are you tough? Somehow I don't think so.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 30, 2012 - 11:22am PT
First marine wilderness in continental U.S. is designated

The U.S. Interior secretary refuses to extend a permit for a commercial oyster farm operating in Point Reyes National Seashore. Sen. Dianne Feinstein had championed the business.

By Julie Cart, Los Angeles Times

November 29, 2012, 8:40 p.m.
The federal government cleared the way Thursday for waters off the Northern California coast to become the first marine wilderness in the continental United States, ending a contentious political battle that pitted a powerful U.S. senator against the National Park Service.

Interior Secretary Ken Salazar settled the dispute by refusing to extend a permit for a commercial oyster farm operating in Point Reyes National Seashore. Congress designated the area as potential wilderness in 1976 but put that on hold until the farm's 40-year federal permit ended.

As the expiration date approached, the farm became the center of a costly and acrimonious fight that dragged on more than four years, spawned federal investigations and cost taxpayers millions of dollars to underwrite scores of scientific reviews.

"I believe it is the right decision for Point Reyes National Seashore and for future generations who will enjoy this treasured landscape," Salazar said Thursday. The area includes Drakes Estero, an environmentally rich tidal region where explorer Sir Francis Drake is believed to have made landfall more than 400 years ago.

Salazar's decision drew a sharp response from Sen. Dianne Feinstein, who had championed the Drakes Bay Oyster Co. in its fight with the government. Feinstein said in a statement that she was "extremely disappointed" with Salazar's decision.

She had argued that the National Park Service contorted scientific studies to make the case that oyster harvesting operations caused environmental harm to Drakes Estero, a dramatic coastal sweep of five bays in Marin County north of San Francisco.

"The National Park Service's review process has been flawed from the beginning with false and misleading science," her statement said. "The secretary's decision effectively puts this historic California oyster farm out of business. As a result, the farm will be forced to cease operations and 30 Californians will lose their jobs."

Feinstein had attached a rider to an appropriations bill giving Salazar the unusual prerogative to extend the farm's permit. The company was seeking a 10-year extension of its lease.

Salazar said he gave the matter serious consideration, including taking into account legal advice and park policies. He directed the park service to develop a jobs-training plan for the oyster company's employees and to work with the local community to assist them in finding employment.

The company will have 90 days to remove its racks and other property from park land and waters. When that occurs, the 2,500-acre Drakes Estero will be managed as wilderness, with prohibitions on motorized access to the waterway but allowances for snorkeling, kayaking and other recreation.

The new wilderness will become only the second marine protected area in the national park system and the first in the Lower 48 states. The only current marine wilderness is 46,000 acres in Alaska's Glacier Bay National Park and Preserve.

Environmental groups applauded the decision, which they lobbied for.

"We are ecstatic that this ecological treasure will be forever protected as marine wilderness," said Amy Trainer, executive director of the Environmental Action Committee of West Marin.

The heart of the debate is an agreement that Kevin Lunny and his family inherited when they took over a failing oyster operation in the park in 2004. That lease with the park service stipulated that the business would cease operations in 2012.

Kevin Lunny has from the beginning sought to stay on the property and continue harvesting oysters. His farm has an extensive record of violating state and federal agreements and permits. The California Coastal Commission has fined the farm for various violations, issued two cease and desist orders and repeatedly requested that the Lunnys acquire a coastal development permit.

The state agency initiated another enforcement action against the farm earlier this month.

Lunny could not be reached for comment.

The farm's mariculture operation has found support among west Marin County's advocates for sustainable agriculture, who agreed with Lunny that federal and state agencies were unfairly hounding his operation.

His travails have caused alarm among the historic cattle and dairy ranches that operate within the national seashore in a designated pastoral zone. Park officials have repeatedly said they have no intention of curtailing ranching operations, and Salazar echoed that, adding that he wished to extend the terms of the ranch leases from 10 to 20 years.

The Lunny family also has a cattle operation in the park.

julie.cart@latimes.com

Copyright © 2012, Los Angeles Times

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How does this make it a 'wilderness'? It is a joke to say Glacier Bay is
a 'wilderness'. Since when do 'wildernesses' have cruise ships in them?
squishy

Mountain climber
Nov 30, 2012 - 02:13pm PT
why do I even read through this bullsh#t, blueing you are an idoit...
rectorsquid

climber
Lake Tahoe
Nov 30, 2012 - 02:23pm PT
Hippies can f*#k off!

I certainly don't want someone who seems to hate everyone else running things. How is that going to improve things?

And what the heck is a hippie? Didn't those go away in the late 60's and get replaced with tree huggers? Or is there some other new insulting name that you want to give this all encompassing stereotype?

Lay off the cussing and name calling and you might sound adult enough to be taken seriously.

Dave
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Nov 30, 2012 - 02:28pm PT
Blue and Ron sittin' in a tree
Hatin' on the govment
O whoopee
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 30, 2012 - 02:36pm PT
Well, come on, maybe Bluey doesn't express himself in the most palatable
manner for y'all but who here is so sanctimonious as to claim they wouldn't
be rather put out by the government coming along and telling you you're
sh!t out of luck and options and, oh by the way, you've got 90 days to clear out?
looking sketchy there...

Social climber
Latitute 33
Nov 30, 2012 - 02:40pm PT
From LA Times Op Ed Yesterday.

For all you bleeding heart right wingers -- please note this undisputed fact:

"In 2004, the Johnsons sold their oyster operation to the Lunny family, with full disclosure that on Nov. 30, 2012, the lease would expire."

So why should we feel like the Lunny's got a raw deal?

Or more importantly, why should the Lunny's be able to get a "special deal" and not have to live up to the legally binding deal they made?


By Richard White

November 27, 2012

If you want to know why environmentalism has so little political traction these days, you need to go no further than Point Reyes, Calif. The beautiful Point Reyes National Seashore just north of San Francisco may be the most interesting national parkland in the country. It combines designated wilderness with operating ranches and dairy farms, and it is now embroiled in an utterly manufactured controversy.

At the center of the dispute is Drakes Bay Oyster Co., which operates on Drakes Estero, a spectacular and ecologically significant estuary located in an area that has been federally designated as wilderness. Drakes is successor to Johnson Oyster Co., which the National Park Service (thanks to American taxpayers) bought out in 1972. At that time, the government granted the company a lease to continue operations for 40 years. In 2004, the Johnsons sold their oyster operation to the Lunny family, with full disclosure that on Nov. 30, 2012, the lease would expire.

Under the provisions of both the Wilderness Act of 1964 and the Point Reyes Wilderness Act of 1976, neither the National Park Service nor the secretary of the Interior should have any discretion over what happens to Drakes Estero after the lease runs out. At that point, the law dictates, it is to be managed as wilderness, a designation affording the highest level of protection from intrusive human activity. But that hasn't stopped an array of politicians and politically connected Bay Area residents from pushing for an extension of the lease.

What might seem like a local dispute has far-reaching consequences for the ability of the National Park Service to stop resource grabs and allow policy and science, rather than well-placed political donors, to inform decision-making.

The issue has divided interest groups that usually are of like mind. On one side are liberal Democrats (aided by Sen. Dianne Feinstein) who promote local and organic foods. They think businesses like the oyster company should be encouraged. On the other side are liberal Democrats who advocate on behalf of wilderness and public access to parks. But only one side has the law on its side, and it's hard to imagine why a liberal Democratic senator with a strong environmental record is seeking special privileges to help a favored constituent subvert the Wilderness Act.

In politics, as in so many things, it is not the facts or the law but the story that matters. When Feinstein tells the story of Drakes Estero, she portrays it as a case of the National Park Service overreaching to shut down a family-run oyster farm. But her story doesn't mention that the Lunny family purchased the company in 2004 knowing what the future held, or that they signed a special use permit in 2008 that specifically stated that commercial shellfish operations would be allowed only through November 2012.

Both sides have tried to cite science to bolster their cases. Initially, supporters of the oyster farm came in with carefully selected evidence that oyster farming helps the environment. When a National Park Service study concluded otherwise, it was attacked, and the National Academy of Science was asked to review whether the study was biased against the Lunnys. It found no evidence of scientific misconduct, but beyond that it was equivocal about what degree of impact the oyster company had on the environment. Later, a Marine Mammal Commission study confirmed that the oyster company operations do disturb harbor seals, a significant finding because Drakes Estero is one of the largest mainland breeding populations of harbor seals in California.

The scientific back and forth was to be expected, but Feinstein used it to attack the National Park Service. She introduced legislation, eventually signed into law, that subverted the Wilderness Act by granting the secretary of the Interior — currently Ken Salazar — power to extend the lease for the oyster farm. Salazar ordered an environmental impact statement, which generated 52,000 public comments, the overwhelming majority of which favored letting the oyster farm lease expire and making Drakes Estero wilderness. The report concluded that not extending the lease was most consistent with law, policy and science, and that the land should become wilderness.

Now it is up to Salazar. He has the environmental impact statement, the public comments and long-standing park policy guidelines to inform his decision about a lease that ends this week. He also has the stubborn demand for a new lease from a powerful Democratic senator. But it shouldn't be a tough call. The Wilderness Act is clear about the reasons for designating certain areas as wilderness and about exactly what that means.

For years, I taught classes using the park as a laboratory because of its unique and successful experiment in combining ranching, dairy farming and wilderness. I once wrote an essay called "Are You an Environmentalist or Do You Work for a Living?," which criticized the environmental movement for missing the ways that people understand nature through work. So I am hardly an automatic advocate of wilderness.

But I also think that protecting designated wilderness is crucial, and that people need to play by the rules. Everyone involved in this saga knew what the agreement entailed and that the oyster farming was to end. That agreement shouldn't be subverted by special interests with friends in high places.

Richard White is a professor of history at Stanford University and the author, most recently, of "Railroaded: The Transcontinentals and the Making of Modern America."

Copyright © 2012, Los Angeles Times
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Nov 30, 2012 - 02:50pm PT
No Reilly I don't want to be put on the street by the government.

But this was an agreement they entered into knowing full well when the lease was up.

It's not like this was the over reaching heavy boot of the gov't or something.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 30, 2012 - 02:53pm PT
I realize all of that. I don't really feel so sorry for the owners but I
do feel for the working slobs, especially in this economy. I also fail to
see how it would have hurt anything to give them an extension. How is
oyster farming more harmful than the grazing they currently allow? Seems
like cherry picking or spitefullness especially after Salazar's visit a
while back when he played the hail fellow well met at the oyster farm.
John M

climber
Nov 30, 2012 - 03:03pm PT
I realize all of that. I don't really feel so sorry for the owners but I
do feel for the working slobs, especially in this economy. I also fail to
see how it would have hurt anything to give them an extension. How is
oyster farming more harmful than the grazing they currently allow? Seems
like cherry picking or spitefullness especially after Salazar's visit a
while back when he played the hail fellow well met at the oyster farm.

My basic opinion too. From having lived inside a national park for 20 plus years.

Bullwinkle

Boulder climber
Nov 30, 2012 - 03:22pm PT
There really is no need for commercial fishing in a NP. That said I find it very interesting that Don Neubacher was removed as Super from Pt Reyes after an independent review of Park Service scientific data showed that he was cooking said data toward closure of the Fishing Operation.

This is the same Super that is now cooking RockFall data in Yosemite to close a number of sites in C4, there needs to be an independent review of this data. "once bitten, twice shy" . . .
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Nov 30, 2012 - 04:34pm PT
Hopefully the Ahwahnee is next...very dangerous location...
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 30, 2012 - 05:00pm PT
How is oyster farming more harmful than the grazing they currently allow?

Well, for a starters they are worlds and oceans of different - each dominated by different laws and interest groups both inside and outside of government.
Chris McNamara

SuperTopo staff member
Nov 30, 2012 - 05:29pm PT
So sad. i was out there just last week. Was one of my favorite weekend adventures with family and friends. it was a model for how business and the environment can co-exist. -1 for Sierra Club and Salazar
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Nov 30, 2012 - 11:48pm PT
I agree, Chris. The business respected the area.

Hippies are wrong sometimes (usually)! Business can coexist.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Nov 30, 2012 - 11:54pm PT
Non-native oysters and a long history of poor operations and debris pollution by the prior owner. It's a fair call.


Alright, tree-hugger, does this mean we can start pumping water to Central Valley farms again and tell the Delta Smelt to "f*#k off"???? Also a non-indigenous species.

Can we? Asshole!

A lot of people have lost farms because of that little f*#king fish! Drive though there sometime and you'll see some angry signs. "Gov't caused this dustbowl"

Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
Dec 1, 2012 - 12:03am PT
Alright, tree-hugger, does this mean we can start pumping water to Central Valley farms again and tell the Delta Smelt to "f*#k off"???? Also a non-indigenous species.

Can we? Asshole!

A lot of people have lost farms because of that little f*#king fish! Drive though there sometime and you'll see some angry signs. "Gov't caused this dustbowl"

Well we know where you stand, but fortunately the regulations differ from that.
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