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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 30, 2012 - 01:12am PT
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Edit: No bluering...Wont happen On Tomales Bay. That's the trade off. Tomales Bay is developed. And I know many of the oyster folk there and am glad they are still in business. But two very different areas.
That's cool. Just beware that you are next. Keep your guard up!
I'm a fisherman too. I love you guys. Watch them!
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JOEY.F
Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2012 - 01:22am PT
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wstmrnclmr,
Lunny must have known of this possibility. Good guy, I am sure. He knew what he was getting into. 40 yrs is a good run.
The whole coast could be condos from the Golden Gate north. Different issue I know. But on the whole I think the decision by Salazar is a good though difficult one.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 30, 2012 - 01:32am PT
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These guys were still talking about Donini's last visit...
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 30, 2012 - 01:40am PT
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Why does everybody assume it's either nothing or condos? You can have zoning regs in place w/o f*#king gov't telling you how to use your state land!
Jesus, help us, you people are as stupid as you claim I am!
Senator Boxer should go off and f*#k herself and let us do a better job at managing our state.
Has anybody heard of bad oysters coming from Drake's? No.
Keep the Fed out@!
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JOEY.F
Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2012 - 01:44am PT
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Ok blue, against my better judgement, I confess, I am stupid.
I also just blew powdered sugar out of my nose via khanom. Stupid.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 30, 2012 - 01:55am PT
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Sure it was powdered sugar???
Whatever, bro. I'm just tired of hatin' on fishermen, even if they;re "commercial". These guys were running a good shop! They loved the Bay, an THEY F*#KING RESPECTED IT!!!
That is the key. The Federal gov't? They don't give a f*#k! Despite whatever bullshit they try to sell ya.
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John M
climber
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Nov 30, 2012 - 01:57am PT
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There would be a tram to the top of half dome if the feds hadn't stepped in.
Yer an idiot Blue.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 30, 2012 - 02:11am PT
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You're wrong, John, in only some regards.
Most fisherman respect the law, almost all. But the few poachers give the gov't the reach to effect all.
Abalone is a good example, and white Sturgeon too. Both have been poached relentlessly!!!
Russian gangs and Asians. No respect for our State laws.
The sturgeon for the black-market caviar, the abalone goes to Japan.
These people are being arrested, but more needs to be done!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 30, 2012 - 02:18am PT
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Did I ever tell ya, John, I wanted to be a Game Warden from high school? My bitch counselor said that it was a weak choice...1984. I hope that bitch...well, I mean no ill-will publicly,.
My point? I love the environment and animals. I also like eating them. I understand there is a balance. When hippies start tweaking the systems, you can create an odd balance. An abundance.
2 words; Deer ticks
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John M
climber
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Nov 30, 2012 - 02:25am PT
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You are wrong too Blue. Federal laws have protected things that states were doing nothing about and private businesses were destroying.
Have they over reached at times? Sure.. so have the states. So have cities, so have private businesses. Lots and lots of private businesses.
Every human organization makes mistakes.
Whether its..
Private enterprise
City, County, State, or Federal Government
Police
fire
Military,
Whatever.
There are some things we likely flat would not have if the feds hadn't stepped in. There are many places that would be polluted messes for generations, without fed intervention. Your blind hatred is misplaced and ignorant.
We need sound federal oversight.
We need sound state oversight.
We need Sound regulations.
Not hatred.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 30, 2012 - 02:32am PT
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What was the Oyster CO doing wrong, John?
EDIT: All you regs are well in place already, but we've gone too far now, bra!
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John M
climber
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Nov 30, 2012 - 02:35am PT
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When hippies start tweaking the systems, you can create an odd balance
Yes.. tree huggers can make mistakes.. they are some times ignorant. But so can private businesses. They are some times greedy. Just ask the people of Humboldt county about the Pacific lumber company. This is a simple link and easy to read.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Lumber_Company
a greedy private businessman ruined an area for generations to come.
Tree huggers saved some incredible old growth forest.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 30, 2012 - 02:40am PT
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Dude, the irony in your statement is so thick it's uncanny.
The hippies mostly want the Earth to stay like your God supposedly created it.
Without the hippies, there would be no balance. Your God's beautiful creation would be in ruins.
"my God", well that's weird. I assume it's not yours as well, and we have different gods? Or no Gods? Whatever, that's yer problem.
This is about letting people use the land responsibly. They have done so. And they feed people. Hippies can f*#k off!
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John M
climber
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Nov 30, 2012 - 02:43am PT
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Christians can f*#k off..
So can libertards who vote republican.
Or whatever it is that you call yourself.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 30, 2012 - 02:45am PT
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I give up...you people make no sense.
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John M
climber
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Nov 30, 2012 - 02:46am PT
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neither do you.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 30, 2012 - 02:47am PT
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no, neither do you...so there!
c'mon....get the last word!!!!
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John M
climber
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Nov 30, 2012 - 02:51am PT
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Easy enough. If the feds hadn't stepped in that whole area would have been developed. Should the oyster farmers get to stay? I personally think so, but understand the reasons why they didn't. Your blanket hatred of all things federal is stupid. That area would be much worse off if they hadn't stepped in.
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John M
climber
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Nov 30, 2012 - 02:53am PT
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And your blanket hatred of all things hippy related is also stupid.
just like others blanket hatred of all things Christian.. Or all things religious.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 30, 2012 - 02:55am PT
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Yeah, I'm just a hater...and a dick too.
Hey, wanna climb Fresno Dome?
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