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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Nov 29, 2012 - 07:58pm PT
Credit: Ron Anderson

the ENTIRE Range of a mountain is hidden in THAT DUSTORM coming off the black rock plya- off I 80 i was in.

It was like a scene from the Mummy When the storm eats the plane,, but real..It was a good breeze that day as well

That wall is at lest three thousand feet high!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Nov 29, 2012 - 07:59pm PT
GDavis, you are correct...most people are clueless as to just how hard wind gusts are in reality.

Interestingly, they do the same thing with ice steepness when climbing, and snow steepness when descending.
sempervirens

climber
Nov 29, 2012 - 08:01pm PT
It gets damn windy on those politard threads, using the bloviator scale.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Nov 29, 2012 - 08:02pm PT
i snow plowed Washoe valley for eight years..Night and day.. I know winds,,yes,, yes i do.. Seen em toss semis like they were card board..The washoe zephyr is a BIOTCH!



I once plowed a full size cab over camper off the middle of the road- it had blown off a vehicle that just kept going lol! Highway patrol was in a panic so i said,, 'no prob" hit the gears and plowed that camper right on off the road then turned the plow to kick it on off the edge and into the snow.
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Nov 29, 2012 - 08:06pm PT
When I was building Victory Lodge, I was pinned down at the job for 54 hours by a blizzard....even though home was only a mile away, I couldn't get there.

During the sustained winds we had during that storm, our anemometer failed....at 149 mph.

I tried running my loader during that storm....could not even see the bucket out in front of me. Stayed inside and just hunkered down....fully expecting the windows to blow in at any moment.
dave goodwin

climber
carson city, nv
Nov 29, 2012 - 08:06pm PT
I've lived in both Nevada and Alaska, and they both can have some mean winds. The worst winds I have experienced have been a North Taku wind coming of the Juneau Ice Cap. BRRRRRR!!

zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 29, 2012 - 08:06pm PT
Hey wait a minute.

You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.

Corollary:

You don't need a weather gauge to know how hard the wind blows.

If you tilt and turn your head into the wind so's that it rushes across the tympanic membrane you can get a very accurate reading, though some might call it a hearing, of how hard the wind is blowing.


-Joe Blow
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Nov 29, 2012 - 08:10pm PT
As a pilot, I have a pretty good knowledge of wind speeds. I get to the airport, then get what's called the AWOS (Aviation Weather Observing Station) on my cell phone while standing outside. I simply won't fly in 36 knots, and only because of takeoff and taxi problems. The flight school cancels all student flying as soon as there are GUSTS to 35 knots. It's possible to flip a Cessna over on it's back with a high crosswind component. I've landed many times in 33-34 knots straight down the runway, but taxiing afterwards is a real pain in the a$$.

But, since we're talking climbing here: over 40 mph (35 knots), blowing dust and grit become a real hazard for vision. I've been blown around in Eldorado Canyon BITD, and simply avoid climbing on those blustry days any more. In the Colorado canyons, the wind tunnel-venturi effect is extreme.
limpingcrab

Trad climber
the middle of CA
Nov 29, 2012 - 08:14pm PT
Sounds like Ron's had a boring life.

Tried riding a bicycle home from Colorado two summers ago and got caught in 60mph winds in Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument. Coming from the side on a ridge. We couldn't even walk our bikes, just had to lay on the ground behind cover to hide from flying rocks until a ranger picked us up.

Notice the car pulled over cause they were scared to drive in it.

where the wind took us out
where the wind took us out
Credit: limpingcrab

Anyone who says they climb, or even hike, in 60mph winds is full of it.


D'Wolf

climber
Nov 29, 2012 - 08:19pm PT
I was snowboarding at Mammoth 3-4 years ago when the upper mountain was closed due to high winds. I came up the Boardwalk Express lift at one point. While trying to get off the lift I got blown back into the chair. My other half was on skis and used her poles to propel her forward. Sans poles, I tried 2-3 times before I simply ran out of space and ended up riding the lift back down to the bottom. Met my other half at the bottom and we rode the gondola up after that.
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Nov 29, 2012 - 08:22pm PT
Yeah. All those other fuks that "don't know" and think it's windier than it really is jest don't know wind.

Here's a couple photos of our ranchette last spring when the winds were gusting 40-60mph, with a nearby weather station reporting a high-gust of 68mph.
Note the debris flying and "dusted-out" sun.  Wind speed around 40 MPH...
Note the debris flying and "dusted-out" sun. Wind speed around 40 MPH.
Credit: Fritz
Looking west for an approaching fire with wind gusts between 30 & 40mp...
Looking west for an approaching fire with wind gusts between 30 & 40mph.
Credit: Fritz

There was a lot of smoke in the air and I couldn't see schist, so I was out in the storm trying to see if there was a nearby fire.

The highest gusts would knock me around a little, but I could walk OK.

I didn't have to adopt the "wide-stance" favored by Idaho's gay ex-senator Larry Craig.

Speaking of wide stances and Patagonia, we did enjoy a high-wind day on our 2010 5-day trip near Bariloche in Northern Patagonia.
Fritz at middle bottom.  Note my low, but not "wide-stance" in 25-35mp...
Fritz at middle bottom. Note my low, but not "wide-stance" in 25-35mph gusts.
Credit: Fritz
Heidi & Fritz near the top of our 2nd and highest pass of the day.   D...
Heidi & Fritz near the top of our 2nd and highest pass of the day. Don't I look like I'm having fun?
Credit: Fritz
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Nov 29, 2012 - 08:35pm PT
Almost as bad as folks who talk about slope angle..

dude it was soooo steep at least 60deg...

yeah more like 40 mebbe

and yes at anywhere near sea level to 10k 60-80mph winds will put you on your ass you better crouch if you hear it coming.

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Nov 29, 2012 - 09:01pm PT
knuckle heads,, its COMMON for 75 mph winds in washoe valley and i worked out in those for eight years. Difficult, yes, impossible,, not by a long shot..And ive been blown off the road out there in a ten wheeler plow with ten yards of salt/sand on board..

got sum pitcherz sum where.



US 395  Washoe Valley nightime blizzard winds 60/70 four feet of snow ...
US 395 Washoe Valley nightime blizzard winds 60/70 four feet of snow over night. 1996
Credit: Ron Anderson


When ya get "hooked" by a drift 40 to zero in fifteen feet...Yeeeharwwwww!
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Nov 29, 2012 - 09:05pm PT
Very metaphysical arguments in here. Nobody can truly know anything, and the like. Or just more contrary internet BS ;).

I can't say I've ever been bothered by peoples' estimations of wind speed and slope. I really must do a better job fetishizing my annoyances.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Nov 29, 2012 - 09:11pm PT
Jeebs,, ive read wind reports at the same time as i was near the weather stations.. I know EXACTLY.;-) Science and all that...Washoe has one smack in the middle- east side of the freeway. ;-)


I did a TR on the Jobs sister climb- it was in the papers round here. Winds were clocked on slide that day at 94 mph with higher gusts. Same time we were on the summit of Sister- and did a controlled flight down the west shoulder back to camp. For that exposed time you were leaning into it beyond what you thought you could to move step, then after about three good steps you hit a bubble in the wind and damm near launch on your face before the next one slams you backward a step or two..Its a SLOW process,, but FUN in the right setting. That was the right setting. As we got close to the summit that day, the ROAR of the wind cresting over it from the south west was deafening. Yelling at face to face was the norm. It can and has been done..
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Nov 29, 2012 - 09:14pm PT
Jebus! Re your comment on wind speed and slope angle:

I can't say I've ever been bothered by peoples' estimations of wind speed and slope. I really must do a better job fetishizing my annoyances.


Indeed!

We are all waiting!
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Nov 29, 2012 - 09:16pm PT
It's so sad that you think you can know anything, Ron. Why don't you accept you've never seen a wind over 10mph and move on with your life?

LOL
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Nov 29, 2012 - 09:20pm PT
When I took this shot of Carson Peak from Victory Lodge, at the beginning of the aforementioned blizzard, the anemometer read 82 mph. I attempted to step outside to take this photo and was immediately knocked on my arse.

I shot this through the glass. And that is not a cloud on the peak, but snow being stripped from it. I can only imagine what the wind speed was up there at nearly 11,000 feet, but again, it topped at least 149 mph at the Lodge later that night.

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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Nov 29, 2012 - 09:20pm PT
Hey,, im a LEFTY LIB now you cant say things like that anymore..;-)
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Nov 29, 2012 - 09:55pm PT
Sierra Azul RAWS (remote automated weather station) monitored by National Weather Service. 1842 feet elevation behind Los Gatos
Yesterday morning through midday
28 13:32 S 24 G 53 52 51 100 2.62 54 24.8
28 12:32 S 35 G 74 52 51 100 2.62 53 25.6
28 11:32 S 40 G 72 52 51 99 2.57 52 25.8
28 10:32 S 26 G 53 53 51 95 2.40 53 25.6
28 9:32 SSE 27 G 53 53 49 89 2.29 52 25.6
28 8:32 SSE 30 G 45 52 48 88 2.24 50 25.3
28 7:32 SSE 20 G 49 52 47 84 2.14 50 22.2
28 6:32 SSE 22 G 43 50 46 89 2.14 49 21
28 5:32 S 16 G 46 52 45 77 2.13 51 16.2
28 4:32 S 28 G 46 52 44 75 2.13 51 15.3
28 3:32 S 24 G 40 52 43 73 2.13 52 15.6
http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/sto/getRaws.php?sid=LSGC1&num=48

11:32 Steady 35 - 40 mph, gusting 74
I was on Ben Lomond ridge at that time. It felt to me like 60 knots (69 mph) which is hurricane force. So I guess I'm pretty well calibrated.

Right now I'm at home about 5 miles away as the tumbleweed flies and 1000 feet higher, on a ridge exposed to the Southwest.
last readings from Sierra Azul
29 17:32 S 30 G 55 54 53 100 2.83 54 26.1
29 16:32 S 31 G 53 54 53 100 2.80 54 26
29 15:32 S 24 G 55 54 53 100 2.77 54 26
29 14:32 S 30 G 55 53 52 100 2.76 53 25.9
29 13:32 S 16 G 51 53 52 97 2.69 54 25.7
Gusting 55 mph. Easy enough to walk in it if you bend to the breeze.
Gusted 61mph while I was writing this.

And I've felt MUCH stronger winds here at home.

I've commonly sailed in steady 30 knot (35 mph) winds and occasionally in gusting 50 knots (over 55 mph). as measured by the anenometer on my 30ft sailboat.
Kept my arse inside the house where I was staying a month ago tomorrow in Hurricane Sandy with local winds reported at 60 knots. Not because the wind would knock me over (which it wouldn't) but because of the falling trees, which there were.

Been knocked off my feet on the summit of Mt Rainier.
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