monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Nov 30, 2012 - 01:48pm PT
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Er, um, a 110 story collapsing tower?
And no, none collapsed perfectly into their own footprint. Otherwise, how could WTC 1 damage WTC 7 so significantly, taking out 10 stories of one of it's corners.
Even WTC 7 collapse damaged a nearby building so significantly it was abandoned and slated for removal.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Nov 30, 2012 - 01:48pm PT
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F i was just trollin a bit. I don't know what really happened but I do know it looks fishy and have a hard time believing that 1700+ plus engineers have been completely duped by their "leader"
That hamster post was super funny...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 30, 2012 - 01:49pm PT
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How many engineers worked for Adolph Hitler?
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Nov 30, 2012 - 01:51pm PT
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Were they invited to do independent research
Before they "joined hitler"?? Doubt it.
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Reeotch
Trad climber
4 Corners Area
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Nov 30, 2012 - 01:53pm PT
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There may have been some broken windows and other minor damage, but #7 did not take thak kind of a hit. Not enough to make it colapse the way it did. There's plenty of video out there of it.
No large buildings outside of the two turquoise zones in the map to the right suffered more than superficial damage
http://www.wtc7.net/location.html
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Nov 30, 2012 - 01:58pm PT
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LOL, mssing 10 floors of one corner is minor damage.
Glad you guys don't design high rise buildings.
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Dr. F.
Ice climber
SoCal
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Nov 30, 2012 - 01:58pm PT
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Thanks for asking!!
Debunking 911 has a great article on Building 7
http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm
[quote]Structure Magazine explains one probable cause of the WTC 7 collapse. "Single Point of Failure: How the Loss of One Column May Have Led to the Collapse of WTC 7"
http://www.structuremag.org/Archives/2007-11/SF-WTC7-Gilsanz-Nov07.pdf[/quote]
Conspiracy theorists say World Trade Center 7 is the best proof for controlled demolition because it wasn't hit by airliners and only had a few fires. They also claim that there was a confession from the building owner who said he "pulled" it. But this is deceptive because while building 7 wasn't hit by an airliner, it was hit by the large perimeter columns of the Tower collapse. It was 400 ft away but the towers were more than 1300 ft tall. As the tower peeled open, it easily tilted over to reach building 7. Below is evidence showing that conspiracy theorists are wrong.
As you can see from the graphic below, all the buildings just as far away from both towers as WTC7 were hit. The others were either very short buildings which didn't have to support a massive load above or had no fire. Only Building 7 had unfought fires and the massive load of 40 stories above them.
with photos!!
B7 damage
after it fell
More links debunking explosives on B7
http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/06-09-11/
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0427-29.htm
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Reeotch
Trad climber
4 Corners Area
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Nov 30, 2012 - 02:02pm PT
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Thanks for the links, I'll look into it.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Nov 30, 2012 - 02:12pm PT
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Stop chewing on the thermite! You will need that to complete your mission.
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aspendougy
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Nov 30, 2012 - 02:51pm PT
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Alan Sabrosky, a former U.S. Army War College instructor, and Andreas Buhling, a German Intel expert, both say that MOSSAS, Israel's foreign Intelligence Service, masterminded the 9/11 attacks to insure that the U.S. will be their permanent ally in the Middle East. The evidence they present is as follows:
(1) A decorated soldier of the 1976 Yom Kipur War, living on the East Coast, went to a park to collect cuttings, and overheard a conversation in Hebrew, with words to the effect: "The Twin Towers are coming down. The Arabs are so stupid, they don't know we are using them."
(2) A group of men were seen by multiple witnesses taking videos of the collapsing Twin Towers, in a very celebratory fashion, High-fiving each other for a job well done. They were picked up and questioned by the FBI and held for sometime, before Israel secured their release.
(3) These men worked for Urban Moving Systems, a MOSSAD front company staffed almost entirely by Israeli Nationals. After the 9/11 attacks, a lone American employee of the Company reported that they were all celebrating the attacks.
(4) The FBI arrested around 70 Israelis who "Seemed somehow connected to the attacks. No such support staff of Muslims was ever found
(5) Many Intel officials think that Bin Laden's original statement that he was not involved in the 9/11 attacks to be true, with the later "confession video" a fake.
(6) Six of the supposed hijackers are still alive, having been victims of identity theft. Many Intel people say that this could have been carried out in multiple countries only by an Intel service backed by a soverign state.
(7) MOSSAD agents stayed in an Apt. in FL opposite the hijackers; evidence suggests that they were under the impression that the planes would be flown to another country.
(8) The hijackers were not devout Muslims, as they spent time before 9/11 at the Strip in Las Vegas. The Koran on the front seat of a van is so obviously a plant,done for political effect by those who wanted the attacks associated with Islam.
There is more evidence still, but don't want to ramble on.
All the inside conspiracy theories suit MOSSAD well as they confuse people and obscure the truth.
(5)
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TwistedCrank
climber
Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho
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Nov 30, 2012 - 03:04pm PT
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You all have belief systems that I find to be utterly fascinating.
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Dr. F.
Ice climber
SoCal
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Nov 30, 2012 - 04:20pm PT
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Thanks McHale
It wasn't labeled B7, I just thought it was
What about the Black Boxes??
I heard they found them, then said they didn't.
Whatz up with that, I want to hear what's on them, we all do.
more Hampsters
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Nov 30, 2012 - 04:40pm PT
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+1000 hamsters! ;)
Lol!
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Chris2
Trad climber
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Nov 30, 2012 - 04:41pm PT
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http://video.cpt12.org/video/2270078138
1500 engineers, men/women some with Phd.s, educated, not political... all saying the same thing; the official version of what happened that day can not be true. I appreciate this video as they do not come up with their own theories.
Also appreciate the psychologist at the end explaining why Americans are unable to accept this factual information.
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Dr. F.
Ice climber
SoCal
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Nov 30, 2012 - 04:50pm PT
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Black Box from Flight 77, that hit the Pentagon
Apparently they can be destroyed!
The official skeptical version is that the ones from the TT were destroyed in the incident,
and the story that they were found was just BS and may have been made up to boost sales of a book.
http://www.911myths.com/index.php/The_Black_Boxes
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Chief
climber
The NW edge of The Hudson Bay
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2012 - 04:57pm PT
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Chris2
I agree that the views expressed by those people are worthy of some consideration.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Nov 30, 2012 - 05:30pm PT
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I'd like to ask that if people are going to post large images, particularly unrelated to the discussion, that they resize them so they don't hose the text on the page, forcing us to scroll back and forth to read what people are writing
To take the time to merely disrupt what other people are discussing is presumptuous and obnoxious. Personally, that's the sort of thing I'd ban somebody for, rather than the stuff fatty got canned for. Just go somewhere else if you don't like it
Peace
Karl
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Nov 30, 2012 - 05:39pm PT
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Which one are you talking about?
Every one fits easily on my monitor, no scrolling needed.
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