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bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Nov 30, 2012 - 11:31pm PT
Call that a storm?

Meh? I knew everyone was selling it...
eKat

Trad climber
BackInTheDitch BackInTheDirt BackInTheDay
Dec 1, 2012 - 09:32am PT


Story of my life, these days!
Silver

Gym climber
Dec 1, 2012 - 09:45am PT
A gust of wind hit the house night before last that was an easy 80 mph plus I thought it tore the roof off.

Floods are good the best fishing I ever had was after the 97 flood. Created a ton of new habitat and cleaned the river pretty well except for all the products that floated into the river after the wharehouses flooded in sparks.

Anyway we need it and we need it big. Flood away mother nature bring it on.

climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Dec 1, 2012 - 11:14am PT
Hard to say how bad it will be. Hopefully not to many properties involved. But historically we get floods at least once every decade so most residents here are pretty aware if it is a problem for their home or business.


Where to get sandbags for Reno/Sparks Washoe County NV

http://floodawareness.com/136/where_to_get_sand_bags.html
rockermike

Trad climber
Berkeley
Dec 1, 2012 - 11:22am PT
shasta news

http://www.examiner.com/article/california-s-mount-shasta-could-set-world-record-with-18-feet-of-snow-4-days
eKat

Trad climber
BackInTheDitch BackInTheDirt BackInTheDay
Dec 1, 2012 - 11:27am PT
And that previous world record, according to Weather Underground, was 189 inches. But that took place in a six-day period. Not surprisingly, it happened at Mount Shasta Ski bowl (now Mount Shasta Ski Park) in February 1959, which was the first year that the ski resort opened.

From the newsfeed quoted, above. . .

WELL. . . just to set the record straight. . . The old Mt Shasta Ski Bowl (destroyed by avalanches in the 70s) and today's Mt Shasta Ski Park are two completely different things. . . in two completely different places on the mountain.

That alone, might render the above report a little shaky, not to mention the title of the article being:

record snowball in Mount Shasta

HA!
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 1, 2012 - 11:57am PT
This system has been a lightweight for S Calif, only about a 1/2" storm total here.

It does look like a pineapple express flow is setting up pulling water up from over the SE Asia and off the Tibetan Plateau, then north of Hawaii. that's when it seems to hit us. Maybe we'll get a real storm in a week or so.

If the flow is up from the equator and south of Hawaii, like this system started out, it seems to hit north of Pt. Conception and we don't get much.

http://www.eldoradocountyweather.com/satellite/ssec/wide-view-us-pacific-asia-sat.html

Here's the best piece I've seen on 1861.

http://www.redlandsfortnightly.org/papers/Taylor06.htm

No comparison at all to this. It destroyed 1/3 of the tax base in the state and drowned 1/4 of the cattle.

The flood ended the California cattle ranch industry and destroyed the ranchero social order.

For a week the tides at the Golden Gate did not flood, rather there was continuous and forceful ebb of brown fresh water 18-20 feet deep pouring out above the salt water. A sea captain reported that his heavily laden ship foundered in the Gulf of the Farallons off of San Francisco, due to the layer of fresh water. Fresh-water fish were caught in San Francisco Bay for several months after the peaks of the flood. These events have not happened since. (Ellis 1936)
Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Dec 1, 2012 - 12:01pm PT
bigs storms usually do mean great fishing in the bay. It's kind of like flushing the toilet. Out with the old and in with the new
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Dec 1, 2012 - 12:30pm PT
Call that a storm?

Bluey.....nah....not the BIGGEST storm I've ever seen up here on Castle Rock Ridge. There was that one in......
but I digress
6" rain since Thursday. And still raining. 1" overnight and it didn't feel like it was raining at all by comparison to Thurs night.

c'mon up to Castle Rock for some slick rock bouldering.....bring your Wellies! your snorkel too and we'll do the falls routes.

For a week the tides at the Golden Gate did not flood, rather there was continuous and forceful ebb of brown fresh water 18-20 feet deep pouring out above the salt water
And now we have a dozen or so big dams on the Sacramento/San Joaquin so that's not likely to happen again.
tallguy

Trad climber
eastside
Dec 1, 2012 - 12:43pm PT
In terms of the ability of dams to do much flood control in a storm series like those big historical ones, don't get your hopes up. Dams do a pretty good job on the normal and usual storms, as there is only so much water management they can accomplish. Once it gets a little unusual, like in 1998 when dam flood control was basically overwhelmed, dams pretty mcuh stop working, because when the reservoir is full, its like the dam isn't even there. Water in always has to equal water out, so those historical flood conditions might not be as unexpected as you are assuming.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Dec 1, 2012 - 12:52pm PT
The devastation caused by gold miners may have had something to do with the impacts of the flood of 1861. They created a huge amount of deforestation, especially in the foothills.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Dec 1, 2012 - 12:55pm PT
so those historical flood conditions might not be as unexpected as you are assuming.
Yes, I was thinking about the possible massive overtopping. Less likely because with a forecast, extra water can be released from the reservoirs in advance. But still possible.

And then there are the unusual, but certainly possible again, conditions that created the Yosemite Valley flood of 1997.

MH.....yup.....also the upturning of the stream beds bringing rock to the top and placer mining washing the topsoil away.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 1, 2012 - 01:32pm PT
Hydraulic mining was a minor contributing factor in the 1861 flood. Mostly in the debris that it liberated down stream that tore up log dams and retaining basins.

The Sacramento, and San Joaqin valleys were lakes for almost a month and Orange County was an inland sea for three weeks. Flow of the Santa Ana river at the narrows was an estimated 320,000 CFS To give that some perspective the average flow of the Missippi is 450,000 CFS.

Even the Mojave river was 20' above flood stage and most of the desert lake beds filled.

I doubt the flood cotrol system could handle it at either end of the state.

For example even if Prado Dam did hold in a repeat of 1861 there would be a deep lake streching from Pomona to Redlands and from the San Gabriels to Corona that would take months to drain without wiping out Anaheim and the coastal cities.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Dec 1, 2012 - 07:07pm PT
hey there say, TGT...

as to this qoute of yours:

Hydraulic mining was a minor contributing factor in the 1861 flood. Mostly in the debris that it liberated down stream that tore up log dams and retaining basins.

The Sacramento, and San Joaqin valleys were lakes for almost a month and Orange County was an inland sea for three weeks. Flow of the Santa Ana river at the narrows was an estimated 320,000 CFS To give that some perspective the average flow of the Missippi is 450,000 CFS.

Even the Mojave river was 20' above flood stage and most of the desert lake beds filled

WOW--the things that they did NOT teach us in our calif history...
wish they had...
thanks for sharing... i never knew of this...



also, say, ron:
neat pics of the past flooding, etc...
thanks for sharing...
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Dec 1, 2012 - 07:09pm PT
hey there say, all you calif folks near this area:

brentwood, etc..


i got a friend there and she's said that she often wonders what wuold
happened, and/or, what it would take to make those levee's overflow...

she's fairly certain it just might flood her home, if they did...

they've had up to two inches around there home, from hard rains...
(not sure if she ment now, from the storm, or from a past one--put it IS raining-wet there, now) ...

thanks for any shares or thoughts or knowledge on this...
:)


edit:

say, i think, though i did not read the article, but:
it LOOKS like there is another storm system ALREADY coming
in, next, really soon?
bergbryce

Mountain climber
California
Dec 1, 2012 - 07:32pm PT
Discovery Bay, right next to Brentwood and many central Delta areas are protected by one measly levee with some Delta properties actually lying under high tide line. That area is a massive disaster waiting to happen.

Probably not this time, but a similar series of storms on top of a huge snowpack might do it.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Dec 1, 2012 - 07:43pm PT
uhm… maybe its just me or something…


BUT THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A BIG STORM IN CALIFORNIA!!!



Ok, there have been storms… but given that these 3 "big" storms look nothing larger than I've ever seen before in my life. I am inclined to believe that this one is of no more significants than any other "fall weather"…. rainy, cloudy, foggy (in my area), cold….. Overall, the 3-pack of clouds has nothing in them.

I can change my mind when I see more under water than not under water



To be honest there seems to be nothing out of the ordinary with this weather….But I guess with Sandy hitting the east the west wants to get back some of that tragedy attention, I guess.

But then again…. people almost never do that… do they?
mrtropy

Trad climber
Nor Cal
Dec 1, 2012 - 08:01pm PT
Hundreds of homes in Weston Ranch, Just south of Stockton were built on a flood plane. Crappy homes that sold for over 5k and now worth about 2K. Just stupid they ever built there except for the developers.
John M

climber
Dec 1, 2012 - 08:08pm PT
Why does big automatically get misconstrued as biggest?

Are you all retarded?

I was sort of wondering the same thing, though I was thinking in terms of being misconstrued as catastrophic. I understood that you were just stoked for the potential of some serious snow. If it had snowed down just a little bit lower it would have been fantastic.

In their defense, there were a number of news reports that focused on how potentially enormous it could have been.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 1, 2012 - 08:11pm PT
I had a fairly benign purpose in mind for opening the thread... a big storm was in fact bearing down on California and a lot and I mean a lot of jaded assed climbers think they can go sashaying out in that sh#t lah dee dah. Some of you can. Most of us can't. It was a friendly warning from a weather aficionado... this one was going to hit. And it did.

You're welcome.

Now you can back to telling stories about how you been beat up by uglier women than me. I hope you have, too. Bad.

DMT
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