Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 27, 2012 - 06:26pm PT
In the range of 5" of rain in Sacramento by Sunday... that's like FIVE FEET of snow on the crest of the Sierra.
I'm just sayin... old man winter is riding the Alaskan express with a tropical depression up his ass. Get ready for some good old fashioned California dumpology.
Here you go Kalimon - the storm track. The fresh maker is the innocuous clouds behind the trough under the arrowhead of the leftern most arrow. See those clouds? That signals an Alaskan storm fueled by tropical moisture. I
This one's a snow maker.... maybe not. Still pretty warm. May fall as rain - at least there's no snow pack to melt.
Yeah, I'm getting the same forecast V. is getting: rain up here. Since I'm injured, I've approved precipitation. Since I can't shovel snow right now, I have only approved rain. Sorry, guys.
$heeeeeit.
Flood watch and nothing but a $hit ton of rain around here.
Kwood will officially have a very solid base after this but what falls ain't gonna be blower. The lower resorts are literally going to get hosed.
it's not ullr, it's someone who hates those of us in and around tahoe. it's mostly going to be rain unless you're at 11839758394q7 feet. maybe what drops sun/mon will make us happy. or a new base, since everything else is washing away? *grump*grump*
oh sh*t! neebs you just reminded me i should make arrangements to go stay at a friend's for a couple days if neccessary. i live way way out in the country, and the only way in or out is over a little creek that my landlord warned me floods when it's raining hard and you can't get in or out. it washed away someone's truck a few years ago. it flows that hard during big weather events.
tahoe weather guy thinks we're mostly going to see warmer storms this winter... aka more storms like the ones over the next couple days aka only snow at higher elevations...
and say, t*r... keep safe... if any doubts, move on out for a bit...
flash floods, or ?wate-gushes? can affect roads when folks least expect it, too...
my brother is up higher, but occasionaly he will travel those areas, too...
good thing when we can plan ahead...
:)
That Rainier Ale is some good sh#t...Give me some stelazine and chase it with a quart bottle of Green Death and watch the cops pour you into the 15 or less aisle...
still dry up at tahoe but the big green blob on the radar is headed our way.
predicted snow levels don't seem as dreary this morning although the big storm saturday night into sunday still looks pretty warm.
it's still early in the winter.
Raining in Chico, means it must be heading our way. I'm in eastern Plumas County at 5000' and not a drop yet. It was about 40 degrees at 5:00 am this morning. Warm, too warm. And too cloudy to see the lunar eclipse.
This one is warm because its a Pineapple Express. As the front moves on shore its dragging a 2000 mile plume of water with it... all the way from Hawaii. You could see it in some of the radar returns.
The storm this weekend should be a bit colder with the Gulf of Alaska cold front behind it. Not super cold it seems, but colder than the first un.
yes i see your pineapple connection going south- to AZ for their monsoon season, and i see the system above going north- per ususal. in bowling term the perfect split. Redding will catch it,, Tuscon will catch it and we will have some fin winds later!
Yeah, Dingus, I hacked the Unisys mail system for the whole state of Alaska
BITD. It was a hoot reading people's mail and then sending them cryptic
messages. When I told the IT peeps about their hole they wouldn't believe me.
Until I told 'em what was in their mailboxes. BwaHaHaHa!
ill bet FIVE HUNDRED ------------------- pennies that the tahoe general area receives very little precip as most will go south and north.
Local weather here says not much until sat/sun and that will be rain. As of now NV is 100% dry.
There is ONE indicator every time we receive significant systems into our area up here--called the "Sierra Wave" ==a lenticular formation caused by the crest of the sierras and lee side effects, and we havent had one yet.
Ron, I thought we were all aware of the rain shadow effect around here? Anyway, those CA types don't give a crap what lands on this side of the range this far north ;). Well, unless they're 80 and are still catching the gambler's special up to that nice John Ascuagua boy's place.
Just lookin at the patterns Jeebs- there ISNT a trace of snow on NV peaks- ELY is bone dry as well. Deer are still up HIGH too. When the aneemules move- you know something significant is coming. We could USE the rain and snow, but im thinkin this wont be the "one" to do it. No wave no tickei ,, no f*ckie!
Of course i actually pray the the old catch 22 gets me- since im posting of how it WONT,, maybe,, just maybe it WILL!;-) (reverso psyche 101)
60% chance on Sunday of rain, pretty high for here. Let it rain, let it rain, let rain, it works out perfectly for my injured ass. No TRs of any kind I (jealously) care about from you lot ;).
Worst kinda storm, high snow levels and rain in the valleys. Looks like mountain biking AND skiing will be no bueno. This means I'll be stuck at Rocksport...ya gotta be fuggin kiddin me
For the most part I only have quarter or half days to work with...but keep us abreast of what the weather is doing throughout the weekend, as Sunday morning I have tentative plans to go ski touring with a buddy of mine but given that it is likely going to rain (and if not rain, potentially sketchy touring conditions given wind loading) that might be an attractive exploration option
Dumping snow nicely here at Donner Summit! Hoping for a couple of feet today and tonight, so we can handle some heavy rain, then more snow...Might go out and ski in a training track for today before it gets too deep. yeah for winter!
ps. How about those US XC Ski Team Women! First World Cup last weekend. Kikkan Randall Third place 10k! US Womens team 3rd in the relay! Best results ever...
Notice Dingus that the WV imagery, posted a page back, shows dry air over Hawaii and that the storm has just a small straw into some subtropical moisture much closer to the coast. Also notice that you have a split flow in the jet stream, you can make it out in all the satellite shots but also in the link Bruce posted.
This is going to take away from the full force of the storm, in addition the small straw into the sub tropical moisture doesnt help, if your hoping for copius amounts of precip.
split flow from bruces link, a weak arm aimed at WA/BC
notice the small "atmospheric river" from the sub-tropical moisture plume
current sat shot, notice you just dont have a good flow from the subtropics
Lovin' it..but I've gotta fly to Pa for a few days for my Dad's 90th birthday...hope to return to SNOW SNOW in the Sierras...or Bridger Bowl, Bozeman... we shall see...
Yeah, was raining pretty good here. Not seeing the "snow maker" though and I'm NOT complaining. Keep it that mess up on the ski resorts where it belongs ;).
It's coming down in W Reno! I love a good rain storm. I grew up in Sacramento, so I prefer to get socked in with rain announcing itself with a pitter patter, not the silent creeping burglar of snow playing tricks and hiding the world from view unbeknownst.
You say it like there's something wrong. Throw on some tunes and pull duh plastic, Weston!
I guess I may have to find something to put the ipod on whilst in that place.
It's coming down in W Reno! I love a good rain storm. I grew up in Sacramento, so I prefer to get socked in with rain announcing itself with a pitter patter, not the silent creeping burglar of snow playing tricks and hiding the world from view unbeknownst.
Coming down in S Reno. I grew up in South Florida and in spite of living out West for 11+ years now, I still LOVE the novelty of snow. Lots of it. Everywhere.
That and the lack of gators must make you a wide-eyed school kid!
I really don't mind snow that much, it just doesn't do much for me since I don't actively engage in the snow sports.
Or you could listen to City Lights or whatever crappy dub step shite they wanna play. Every so often some good rootsy music though.
True, the lack of seeing the gators getting some sun next to the banks of some canal or pond (until the daily 3:30pm rains arrived) was a bit of a contrast.
The snow sports thing is part of it for me, I ski and snowboard, but rain is just annoying...at least snow makes Reno look cleaner...
In verdi, nv (just W of reno), 0.81" of rain so far and 55 mph max wind gust on the home weather station today. Not bad for the weakest wave of the system. I think this one is probably real.
Town of mammoth got about 3"-5" of snow...... but it was raining when I left my job site.... bet the top got hammered .... most likely will be good wind-buff after the blow-out winds following this system.... doubt it will be pow with these warm temps.
Round two comes in tomorrow with 40 mph gusts here in the valley. We'll get close to 5 inches out of these storms as there is a 3rd one coming in directly behind the 2ndun.
Riley, where did you ski? We've gotten a whole lot of dick and squat out here in CO.
All the resorts I'm aware of that are open are on man-made.
Send some our way!
Copper Mountain - man made but it was spectacular groomed skiing. Perfect for teaching my kids and i was back on skis for the first time in almost two decades so it was perfect for me as well- I think i am over boarding - so nice not to have to sit down and hop around on one foot -really really love the new Parabolic skis...lol...first time I ever used them and I was better after 2 days than I was ever was on 2x4s..yayayaya
Skiing 165 parablics - last time I skiis i was i was on 225s!!!
It will be interesting to see how this plays out. They forecast Sandy demolishing New York almost a whole week out with erie accuracy on all counts. I think forecasters have made leaps and bounds in the past decade or so. I hope they're wrong at least in terms of the precip amounts. No one needs 250 mills in 3 days! I bet you guys also hope they're off in freezing levels eh?
Has anybody posted this link ? http://www.atmos.washington.edu/~ovens/loops/wxloop.cgi?mm5d1_e_pcp3+///3
Sure looks like N CA is going to be pounded. Wishin' all yooz to batten down the hatches and use your avalanche poodles when out on the hills.
I still love Boarding - dont get me wrong - I hadnt touched skis, except for one alpine traverse, in 16 years or more.
But the new skis are awesome - I had 5 days with no falls and that dont happen with boarding.
I have used those kick in bindings years ago - wondering where they went...they were good.
But what did me in a bit for boarding is the fact that twice last year i almost tore every ligament in my knee - pushing up on the lift line I hit a stretch of ice and the board went one way and my knee tried to go another way - never have i felt the anatomy of my knee like that,,,lol
And I'm tired of imagining i am going to buy a split board..lol - time to hit the back country.
Been about 7 years since last one.. Hopefully not this time but...
The National Weather Service in Reno has issued a
* Flood Watch for
the Truckee River at Vista
* from Sunday afternoon to Monday afternoon.
* At 1:15 PM Wednesday the stage was 4.4 feet.
* Minor flooding is possible.
* Flood stage is 15.0 feet.
* Forecast... flood stage may be reached by Sunday afternoon.
* Impact... at 15.0 feet... minor flooding begins in lowest portions
of the Truckee Meadows, including Truckee River bike path through
Sparks, University farm, Boynton Slough, Rosewood lakes Golf
course. High stages on the Truckee begin to cause backwater
flooding from storm drains in lower Sparks Industrial area, and
along Steamboat Creek.
Flood watch in effect for other areas of CA and NV. Don't be dumb out there.
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If you or your business may be in the affected areas here is where you can get free sandbags.
Due to the current weather forecast and the potential for flooding, sandbags and sand will be available to the public at one location beginning Saturday, Dec. 18 at 8 a.m. This site will be accessible and materials will be available daily between the hours of 8 a.m. to 5 p.m., including this Saturday and Sunday.
Parking lot of Governors Bowl Park located at the end of Line Drive off of East Fourth Street. Line Drive is on the North side of East Fourth Street just East of Sixth Street.
BYOS (Bring Your Own Shovel)
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Please be advised that you will need to bring a shovel and fill the sandbags yourself.
Should the potential for flooding and the demand for sandbags increase, we will activate additional sandbag sites pursuant to the city's flood action plan.
Yes up at Donner the fluffy 5 inches has been sogged down to 1 by rain...still going to head out for a saturated ski workout, gotta get what I can, someday it will snow, and we will have races!
When I worked at Squaw Valley in 1980, we had a good 6' base by New Years day. A few days later we got hit by the Pineapple Express and it rained continuously for 3 days. The whole East Face of KT-22, Reddog and Reddog Ridge climax avalanched. It took out most of the lower lift towers of Olympic Lady and ruined a lot of buzzez that winter. There were 4' water erosion channels on most of the Mountain Run. This winter could shape up to be something similar IMO.
tahoe weather discussion said we may have warm storms all winter :(
TWD has no idea what the hell he is talking about. He was also the one forecasting a HUGE winter last year. Where are his advanced degrees in Atmospheric Science? They do not exist.
About the tahoe guy. Almost always take weather forecasting with a grain of salt. Especially long term prognostication. What I like about the tahoe page is that he explains things in ways that I can understand. I know that he isn't always right, and has even made some big mistakes. So what. He at least gave some explanation for why he was so wrong. And those guys with all the letters after their names have also made lots of mistakes. He is just one of many tools that I use to try to get an understanding for what is going to happen. I also like some of the graphics he posts.
I also look outside. I read a story once about a big storm that hit california a number of years ago. Back in the 50s I think. I can't remember where I found it, probably in our local book sale. Part of it was from the weather forecasters point of view. He told a story about reminding the new forecasters to always go outside before they posted their forecast. This was because they worked in a big building inside with no windows. He said that when he was new he was working nights and he studied all of the info that they had, was about to post that it was going to be a sunny morning, but one of the night cleaners said he had just been outside and it was raining hard. He was that off in his prediction.
This was because they worked in a big building inside with no windows. He said that when he was new he was working nights and he studied all of the info that they had, was about to post that it was going to be a sunny morning
Ain't that the truth. Salt Lake City, ca 1968. Late afternoon, summer, about 5:30. TV weatherman forecasting chance of showers.
While it was thunder, lightning and raining leopards and wolves right outside the studio door. I know, I was in a building across the street. A building with windows.
while gowing up in Tahoe we use to watch the weather on TV from Bay Area news channels. The most popular weatherman was Pete Giddings. We called him Pete's Kidding!!
He was frequently seen around the casinos wearing full length fur coats. We figured the casinos probably took good care of him to enusre good forecasts to bring the tourist up.
Meteorological science has come a long way - Sandy was an incredibly precise forcast.
And the nor' Easter that followed was predicated as it was making its turn up by Alaska
Big difference between the scientists on the weather channel and some jack ass weather girl.
No need to wash your car.
It's already raining hard and blowing near Castle Rock. Warm though. High freezing levels forecast for the Sierra.
So PLEASE don't tempt the Weather Gods by waxing your skis.
Sandy was an incredibly precise forcast.
Indeed. I was on Long Island as Sandy approached. The forecast for the big hook to the left was on Friday morning. Sandy's eye hit on Monday night within a few dozen miles of the forecast. Tidal surge and wind strength/direction forecasts were also spot on. A surprisingly reliable forecast for such an unusual storm.
Data is easy, its model output thats tricky...heres what they had to choose from 5 days out...the two commonly used models for weather prediction in NA, WRF and GFS sent it out to sea...the Euro model ECMWF nailed it 5 days out.
Aloha gang,
Drinking Pinot here @ lax flight to sfo delayed. Was pretty low clouds when we landed but that could have been the merlot kicking in after 4:53 across the pond.
I only brought shorts, slippers, and aloha shirts so I hope it's sunny and warm in San Fran
If you get upset because you put even a shred of faith in any forecast longer than 48 hours that's your own fault. Long range forecasts are a bit of a joke, imho.
BA at TWD is great. People just get pissed when the weather doesn't cooperate and the messenger makes a convenient scapegoat.
He's very open about not being a professional weatherman. His blog was a hobby that's grown due to its popularity. Feel free to watch the Reno TV weather man if you prefer.
With the potential for localized flooding, starting today, sandbags and sand will be available for the public at three locations: Idlewild Park (located at 1900 Idlewild Drive); First Street at Riverside Drive; and the parking lot of the Governor’s Bowl Park (located at the end of Line Drive which is off of East Fourth Street). The sites and materials will be available between 8:00 a.m. until 5:00 p.m., including Saturday and Sunday. Residents will need to bring a shovel to fill the sandbags. Should the potential for flooding and the need for sandbags increase, additional sandbag sites will be announced.
56 mph max gust this morning, third straight day with 50+ winds, with 1.37" of rain in Verdi today. 2.42" storm total so far, and still raining at a good clip.. this storm alone is probably going to be a substantial part of the annual precipitation here.
He's very open about not being a professional weatherman. His blog was a hobby that's grown due to its popularity. Feel free to watch the Reno TV weather man if you prefer.
Whatever. When looking at forecasts, the last folks I look to are the local TV weather. NOAA looking two or three days out and looking at the GFS long-range fantasy models, and checking these guys (one of which is a Taco denizen) out:
i said that with the explicit purpose of FOOLING the rain gawds.. If I had predicted RAIN it woulda been dry as a p-corn fart. Yu may thank me now..;-)
i said that with the explicit purpose of FOOLING the rain gawds.. If I had predicted RAIN it woulda been dry as a p-corn fart. Yu may thank me now..;-)
There's a very interesting story I found from socialclimber's link upthread, about "atmospheric rivers" and the 43 day deluge that flooded N Cal back in 1861. There's evidence this happens about every 200 years:
The intense rainstorms sweeping in from the Pacific Ocean began to pound central California on Christmas Eve in 1861 and continued virtually unabated for 43 days. The deluges quickly transformed rivers running down from the Sierra Nevada mountains along the state’s eastern border into raging torrents that swept away entire communities and mining settlements. The rivers and rains poured into the state’s vast Central Valley, turning it into an inland sea 300 miles long and 20 miles wide. Thousands of people died, and one quarter of the state’s estimated 800,000 cattle drowned. Downtown Sacramento was submerged under 10 feet of brown water filled with debris from countless mudslides on the region’s steep slopes. California’s legislature, unable to function, moved to San Francisco until Sacramento dried out—six months later.
kunlun_shan, There is a description of the 1861 flood event in "Up and Down California" by William Brewer which is basically a diary of his years on the Whitney survey party from 1861 to 1864, most excellent read. Drop me a PM about skiing, likely heading out tomorrow for high ground.
Kirkwood forecast for tonight is snow.....then mixed snow/rain tomorrow through Sunday. Snow level 8000 feet
YUCK
RAIN again starting Tuesday. At 8000 feet.
So much for skiing.
i drove through the creek flooding over my bridge but it wasn't too high. i do expect it will be higher sunday and monday... i won't drive through if it gets any higher. can't wait to see! first set of big storms in this place. will post pics if possible :) really wish i'd taken some photos earlier but i was anxious to get on my way - it was raining lots and lots.
here's a pic of the creek from a different spot on the road... gettin' some mud on the tires a coupla days before thanksgiving ;)
A gust of wind hit the house night before last that was an easy 80 mph plus I thought it tore the roof off.
Floods are good the best fishing I ever had was after the 97 flood. Created a ton of new habitat and cleaned the river pretty well except for all the products that floated into the river after the wharehouses flooded in sparks.
Anyway we need it and we need it big. Flood away mother nature bring it on.
Hard to say how bad it will be. Hopefully not to many properties involved. But historically we get floods at least once every decade so most residents here are pretty aware if it is a problem for their home or business.
Where to get sandbags for Reno/Sparks Washoe County NV
And that previous world record, according to Weather Underground, was 189 inches. But that took place in a six-day period. Not surprisingly, it happened at Mount Shasta Ski bowl (now Mount Shasta Ski Park) in February 1959, which was the first year that the ski resort opened.
From the newsfeed quoted, above. . .
WELL. . . just to set the record straight. . . The old Mt Shasta Ski Bowl (destroyed by avalanches in the 70s) and today's Mt Shasta Ski Park are two completely different things. . . in two completely different places on the mountain.
That alone, might render the above report a little shaky, not to mention the title of the article being:
This system has been a lightweight for S Calif, only about a 1/2" storm total here.
It does look like a pineapple express flow is setting up pulling water up from over the SE Asia and off the Tibetan Plateau, then north of Hawaii. that's when it seems to hit us. Maybe we'll get a real storm in a week or so.
If the flow is up from the equator and south of Hawaii, like this system started out, it seems to hit north of Pt. Conception and we don't get much.
No comparison at all to this. It destroyed 1/3 of the tax base in the state and drowned 1/4 of the cattle.
The flood ended the California cattle ranch industry and destroyed the ranchero social order.
For a week the tides at the Golden Gate did not flood, rather there was continuous and forceful ebb of brown fresh water 18-20 feet deep pouring out above the salt water. A sea captain reported that his heavily laden ship foundered in the Gulf of the Farallons off of San Francisco, due to the layer of fresh water. Fresh-water fish were caught in San Francisco Bay for several months after the peaks of the flood. These events have not happened since. (Ellis 1936)
Bluey.....nah....not the BIGGEST storm I've ever seen up here on Castle Rock Ridge. There was that one in......
but I digress
6" rain since Thursday. And still raining. 1" overnight and it didn't feel like it was raining at all by comparison to Thurs night.
c'mon up to Castle Rock for some slick rock bouldering.....bring your Wellies! your snorkel too and we'll do the falls routes.
For a week the tides at the Golden Gate did not flood, rather there was continuous and forceful ebb of brown fresh water 18-20 feet deep pouring out above the salt water
And now we have a dozen or so big dams on the Sacramento/San Joaquin so that's not likely to happen again.
In terms of the ability of dams to do much flood control in a storm series like those big historical ones, don't get your hopes up. Dams do a pretty good job on the normal and usual storms, as there is only so much water management they can accomplish. Once it gets a little unusual, like in 1998 when dam flood control was basically overwhelmed, dams pretty mcuh stop working, because when the reservoir is full, its like the dam isn't even there. Water in always has to equal water out, so those historical flood conditions might not be as unexpected as you are assuming.
The devastation caused by gold miners may have had something to do with the impacts of the flood of 1861. They created a huge amount of deforestation, especially in the foothills.
so those historical flood conditions might not be as unexpected as you are assuming.
Yes, I was thinking about the possible massive overtopping. Less likely because with a forecast, extra water can be released from the reservoirs in advance. But still possible.
And then there are the unusual, but certainly possible again, conditions that created the Yosemite Valley flood of 1997.
MH.....yup.....also the upturning of the stream beds bringing rock to the top and placer mining washing the topsoil away.
Hydraulic mining was a minor contributing factor in the 1861 flood. Mostly in the debris that it liberated down stream that tore up log dams and retaining basins.
The Sacramento, and San Joaqin valleys were lakes for almost a month and Orange County was an inland sea for three weeks. Flow of the Santa Ana river at the narrows was an estimated 320,000 CFS To give that some perspective the average flow of the Missippi is 450,000 CFS.
Even the Mojave river was 20' above flood stage and most of the desert lake beds filled.
I doubt the flood cotrol system could handle it at either end of the state.
For example even if Prado Dam did hold in a repeat of 1861 there would be a deep lake streching from Pomona to Redlands and from the San Gabriels to Corona that would take months to drain without wiping out Anaheim and the coastal cities.
a RARE pic of,,,,"Ophir creek DAM".... Flood of 97- washoe valley, old us 395. Neeldess to say,, ol 395 was CLOSED lol!
About a million yards of granite and dg flowed down the highway to bowers mansion from the top of the hill at ophir creek crossing. You didnt do stuff like this every day...Used a few thousand yards in building the dam you see to re-contain ophir creek..
Hydraulic mining was a minor contributing factor in the 1861 flood. Mostly in the debris that it liberated down stream that tore up log dams and retaining basins.
The Sacramento, and San Joaqin valleys were lakes for almost a month and Orange County was an inland sea for three weeks. Flow of the Santa Ana river at the narrows was an estimated 320,000 CFS To give that some perspective the average flow of the Missippi is 450,000 CFS.
Even the Mojave river was 20' above flood stage and most of the desert lake beds filled
WOW--the things that they did NOT teach us in our calif history...
wish they had...
thanks for sharing... i never knew of this...
also, say, ron:
neat pics of the past flooding, etc...
thanks for sharing...
hey there say, all you calif folks near this area:
brentwood, etc..
i got a friend there and she's said that she often wonders what wuold
happened, and/or, what it would take to make those levee's overflow...
she's fairly certain it just might flood her home, if they did...
they've had up to two inches around there home, from hard rains...
(not sure if she ment now, from the storm, or from a past one--put it IS raining-wet there, now) ...
thanks for any shares or thoughts or knowledge on this...
:)
edit:
say, i think, though i did not read the article, but:
it LOOKS like there is another storm system ALREADY coming
in, next, really soon?
Discovery Bay, right next to Brentwood and many central Delta areas are protected by one measly levee with some Delta properties actually lying under high tide line. That area is a massive disaster waiting to happen.
Probably not this time, but a similar series of storms on top of a huge snowpack might do it.
BUT THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A BIG STORM IN CALIFORNIA!!!
Ok, there have been storms… but given that these 3 "big" storms look nothing larger than I've ever seen before in my life. I am inclined to believe that this one is of no more significants than any other "fall weather"…. rainy, cloudy, foggy (in my area), cold….. Overall, the 3-pack of clouds has nothing in them.
I can change my mind when I see more under water than not under water
To be honest there seems to be nothing out of the ordinary with this weather….But I guess with Sandy hitting the east the west wants to get back some of that tragedy attention, I guess.
But then again…. people almost never do that… do they?
Hundreds of homes in Weston Ranch, Just south of Stockton were built on a flood plane. Crappy homes that sold for over 5k and now worth about 2K. Just stupid they ever built there except for the developers.
Why does big automatically get misconstrued as biggest?
Are you all retarded?
I was sort of wondering the same thing, though I was thinking in terms of being misconstrued as catastrophic. I understood that you were just stoked for the potential of some serious snow. If it had snowed down just a little bit lower it would have been fantastic.
In their defense, there were a number of news reports that focused on how potentially enormous it could have been.
I had a fairly benign purpose in mind for opening the thread... a big storm was in fact bearing down on California and a lot and I mean a lot of jaded assed climbers think they can go sashaying out in that sh#t lah dee dah. Some of you can. Most of us can't. It was a friendly warning from a weather aficionado... this one was going to hit. And it did.
You're welcome.
Now you can back to telling stories about how you been beat up by uglier women than me. I hope you have, too. Bad.
Partied at the Fed for the past two days now screaming down the runway of SFO rain flying by....oops I'm not supposed to be online. OMG the government told me knott to due this.
Will be warm and in the blue pacific by morning. Course if we crash.....will stil be in he pacific!
Kick that flus ass DMT!
Aloha,
WS
As we rise up and it's pouring fairly well, I'll lose my connection around 8k Have a great weekend! Get outdoors
Edit: over oh ah who now, we got steady rain for over 321 mlles out of SFO. Then we broke free but still danced all the way to the Islands.
The winds will really start to crank tonight as storm #3 approaches with gusts as high as hurricane force at 75mph in the valleys and up to category 4 hurricane strength at 150 mph over the ridges. The the heavy precip begins to push in during the early morning hours and the snow levels shoot up to 9000+ ft. This should only last several hours before colder air works in as the cold front approaches. Sunday morning the snow levels should drop back down to 8000 ft. and then 7000 by midday and lake level by evening.
The forecast models are in good agreement that 2-3 inches of liquid will fall over the basin and 3-4 inches West of the lake along the crest. Above 9000 ft. we could see 2-3 feet with 3-4 along the crest. Below that the forecast gets tricky as it depends on how fast the cold air works in. I think we could see accumulating snow all the way to lake level by Sunday evening if enough precip is still around. Between 7000-9000 ft. 1-3 feet are possible and several inches below that
After a long night and morning of total wind lashing torrential downpour,it just turned to snow here at 7,100ft at Donner Summit!! Sticking, coming down hard...Really hoping we can get a foot or two to stick on our rain sogged base today...Wonder whats happening near the river in Truckee?
Hey Ekat.. you said they moved the ski area to a different area of the mountain. Did they move it lower?
Lower and around the mountain. . . instead of driving on the Everitt Memorial Highway (from the town of Mt. Shasta) you drive around the mountain on Highway 89 toward McCloud and head up to private land, at the intersection at Snowman's Hill.
The elevation of the top chair is less than 7,000 feet.
Skiing on 30 year old yellow klister yesterday...Pulled it out of the fridge next to the EPO stash...Now i have a collage of pine needles stuck to my bases....Snow-rain here at 7600 feet...
That, coupled with the place being way down in the trees.
It's a REALLY fun place to ski, though.
Tiny!
You could lose it at Chair One on Mammoth! But. . . day in and day out, top to bottom black diamonds - ALONE!
I skied the place out in less than 2 hours my first time there. . . that's kinda why I opted to stay in Montana this winter. . . it's time to ski Fernie and Big. . . kinda need to get the ole heartrate up!
Cool RottingJohnny! Yellow klister is gross, but sometimes good skiing...If it keeps dumping, and puts enough on the ground to soak up the deep puddles, I will go out and train, ie. break trail, then do a bunch of laps in my Salomon 88's. Will you be at the Tannebaum race on the 16th? Maybe see you there!
Ekat Big Mtn is outta whitefish right? Went there a few years ago and really liked the area.
Yeah. . . BITCHEN ski area. . . and ya gotta love lawless Montana. . . you can ski really fast without anybody gettin' pissy with you. Hell, on Mammoth, if you skied even as fast as BigMtn's Patrolmen, you'd end up in Bridgeport. (county jail).
I will say, I'm skeezin in a helmet, now, because of it!
Maysho...I may show for the Tannebaum...Get it..May show..? I don't get to play as much anymore but the fire in the belly still smolders...Racing is more fun when you can go fast and less painful too...The yellow Klister worked pretty damn well...RJ
Ekat...Where the heck are you...? Montana or Shasta..? If you are in Montana that would mean a suckafish is near whitefish...I ski slow and still ended up in Bridgeport , the inner bred capital of the eastside...
GREATER LAKE TAHOE AREA-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...SOUTH LAKE TAHOE...TRUCKEE...
INCLINE VILLAGE
900 AM PST SUN DEC 2 2012
...WINTER STORM WARNING IN EFFECT UNTIL 4 PM PST THIS AFTERNOON...
THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN RENO HAS ISSUED A WINTER STORM
WARNING FOR HEAVY SNOW AND GUSTY WINDS...WHICH IS IN EFFECT UNTIL 4 PM
PST THIS AFTERNOON.
* TIMING: A COLD FRONT WILL DROP SNOW LEVELS BELOW 7000 FEET THIS
MORNING WITH PERIODS OF HEAVY SNOW INTO THE AFTERNOON.
* SNOW ACCUMULATIONS: 10 TO 16 INCHES ABOVE 7000 FEET WITH 4 TO 8
INCHES AT LAKE LEVEL. ABOVE 8000 FEET...2 FEET OR MORE OF SNOW
IS EXPECTED.
* SNOW LEVELS: NEAR 8000 FEET THIS MORNING...FALLING BELOW 7000
FEET BY NOON. SNOW LEVEL WILL REACH LAKE LEVEL BY MID-AFTERNOON.
I have a housesitter/caretaker at my place in Shasta. . . I just HAD to ski at home this winter. . . I really missed this place!
Dig this, JWerd, our NordicCenter allows DOGS. . . 2/3 of what they groom (ginzu) is open for doggies. . . it's RAD! Not that I have a doggie anymore, but it's still a rad trail system. . . and Skadi and I were usually the only ones there, anyway!
I just threw away a sh!tpile of old klister. I'm soo done with that sh!t.
There's better things to do on klister days. I'll let ya know when I find one.
The one gud thing about klister?
It fools you into thinking you don't have a 'late' kick.
Like I said. . . you just have to know how to apply the stuff. . . too many people use WAY TOO MUCH OF IT. . . it should be so thin, it's almost invisible!
It should never squirt out and over your sidewalls. . . NEVER!
But. . . I will admit. . . skeezin on Mt Shasta for years and years gave me plenty of time to get really good at using klisters. . . dood. . . the snow falls RED KLISTER down there!
Good day to swim up Royal Arches. Snorkel required.
Credit: HighTraverse
4" rain on Castle Rock ridge last night. Winds gusting (probably) over 60. Calm now but still rainin' like a cow pi**in' on a flat rock.
For a good description of the floods of 1861-62 see Book III, Chapter I of "Up and Down California" by William F. Brewer (University of California Press). This is an excellent book about California, Dec 1860 - Dec 1864
Looks like the snow levels dropped a bit which allowed Reno/Sparks to dodge the flood bullet barely.
Very cool.
Yeah, good stuff. I'm glad I live up the hill from the Truckee River though. It would take Noah type conditions for us to get flooded ;). My wife and I just took a walk down by the river, and it was swollen and bringing all kinds of debris with it.
I used to live by the levees in Sacramento. That could be a nightmare in rainy season, waiting for alarms and news of a sudden break, all the while seeing the water lap up to the bottom of the Tower Bridge. Yikes!
We lived on the West Sacramento side, the poor side, and urban legend was those a-holes in Sacramento would blow the levee on our side if it came down to it! Hahaha.... I'm not even sure that would save their hide, but it seemed plausible in that paranoid mindset.
Nice pfoto Cragman. RE: the topic - Saw on the Yosemite webcams that the Merced had risen quite a bit this afternoon, and Yosemite falls was about Spring runoff volume. Would be a good time to break out the spinning rod.
I was in a big sterile American shopping mall today, one of those lifestyles of the rich and famous malls. They realized I was an imposter (ran a credit check on me) and escorted me OUT.
Not till I saw the new James Bond film though. 50-year franchise, and the first Bond movie I ever saw on the big screen. I liked the movie and flu recovery (real influenza, no joke, lost 10-15 lbs in 3 days!) is complete.
DMT
Speaking of scary waters and movies, you should check out The Life of Pi. Very cool ocean cinematography, unsterile India, and big feelings we American dudes have to pretend we can't feel.
Too bad about the flu, man. But, you know, with the lbs gone you can crank harder now ;).
I get the flu shot every season now, but some people think it's witch craft or something. And if it is, bravo, ladies.
The movie was better than I expected but I've heard the book is excellent.
For those of us with ADD the movie will have to do. But the Meerkats were
a bit much.
We got 9 inches or rain here in Wawona and 10.5 inches at the south gate in 5 days. If that had been snow at badger it would have been epic. High snow lines and just enough time between to empty the streams and it did no damage.
...SELECTED STORM TOTAL RAINFALL IN INCHES FROM 400 PM PST TUE NOV
27 THROUGH 600 AM PST MON DEC 03...
...CALIFORNIA...
BRANDY CREEK (SHASTA) 23.48
STERLING CITY (FEATHER) 21.24
SIMS 17.90
PETROLIA 7.4 SE 17.50
NORTH COAST CAMP SIX 16.64
BRIDGEVILLE 5.2 ENE 15.72
OAK MOUNTAIN 15.16
MIRANDA 4.1 SW 14.98
CAZADERO 6.9 WNW 14.45
KINGVALE 1.3 WSW 14.37
LOS GATOS 6.1 S 13.89
BLUE CANYON 13.41
REDWAY 1.8 WSW 13.39
BRANDY CRK 12.60
SECRET TOWN 12.55
BEALE AFB/MARYSVILLE 9.55
SAN FRANCISCO INTL AIRPORT 4.09
I understand that Ekat. All I meant was that the moisture was in that storm and if just a few small things would have been different, such as snow level, then we could have had more epic conditions.
Plus the storm spread itself out just enough to keep many streams and rivers from flooding.
Some people were saying that this really wasn't that big of a storm. I was refuting that. 23 inches is a whole lot of moisture. So was the 9 inches we got here in Wawona.
SUN VALLEY -- The Sun Valley Ski Patrol reported an avalanche Monday morning.
Jack Sibbach, Marketing and Public Relations Director for the Sun Valley Company, said, "This was a big one."
Sibbach said the avalanche occurred on Lookout Bowl and slid down the length of the mountain. The Ski Patrol noticed the slide and reported it Monday morning. There is no way of knowing exactly when the avalanche occurred, according to Sibbach.
Sibbach said a pile of snow from the avalanche had gathered at the base of the Seattle Ridge lift. There was no damage to the lift.
Lookout Bowl was not open at the time of the avalanche and is currently still closed.
No one was injured in the naturally occurring slide.
Sibbach said the resort has received 35 inches of new snow since Friday. Winds were high and visibility was low on Sunday. In fact, the resort had to close a few lifts Sunday because of high winds.
Tuesday update:
The Sawtooth National Forest Avalanche Center is reporting considerable avalanche danger in the Sawtooths, along with the North, Central, and South Wood River Valley.
Scott Savage with the avalanche center says two factors are contributing to the avalanche danger.
The first factor, or primary avalanche concern, is a layer of wind affected snow called a "slab" that built up during last weekend's storm.
The second factor, or secondary avalanche concern, is made of two weakened layers in the snowpack buried deep beneath much of the snow in higher elevations.
Anyone going into these mountain areas is cautioned to read the avalanche center's full report, and stay below higher elevations with open, exposed slopes.
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