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Chinchen

climber
Way out there....
Nov 22, 2012 - 02:22am PT
DONATE TO THE FUND HERE!

http://www.indiegogo.com/Climbers-up-the-bounty
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Nov 22, 2012 - 08:15pm PT
Who knows the motivation behind this. Hopefully it is tweakers because the liklihood they are caught goes up.

If it is a rich private person maybe they just get off on hurting native americans kind of like skull and bones having the skull of Geronimo. In this case it most likely won't be discovered.
Wildincognito

climber
Eastside
Nov 22, 2012 - 10:53pm PT
This thread has become a " how to" discussion and should be deleted.
Also stop making "non profit" funds that are related to climbing.
Nobody climbs where these were and the access fund should distance itself from this issue
There have been enough access issues in this region lately that climbers keep bring up and are in no way helping
Chinchen

climber
Way out there....
Nov 23, 2012 - 12:41pm PT
I also disagree. And being a Bishop local who is keen on improving the local view of climbers I have to say you are way off base. In light of some other recent issues in the tablelands this is a perfect opportunity for us to show that we care about the area and the Access Fund is the perfect non-profit to help us collect the money. Besides all they are doing is lending us their Tax I.D. number to accept tax deductible donations.

Secondly this is a nationwide news story and if the Access Fund is involved it can only improve their public profile. Seems like a good thing for everyone.
phylp

Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
Nov 23, 2012 - 01:06pm PT
Chinchen, I am waiting to see some kind of an announcement from the Access fund about if and how they intend to be involved in all of this before contributing anything. What has not been made clear is whether this indigogo fund is set up as a donation (to what?) or an escrow fund.

What I would prefer to see is an escrow fund earmarked to the reward, to be awarded to person or persons who provide information leading to arrest and conviction of individuals responsible. There would need to be some time limit set for holding the fund.

Personally I would like to see funds for the reward and funds for "preservation" de-linked. What is the plan for "preservation"? The indiegogo account page seems to be combining both these objectives (reward and preservation), which I personally think overcomplicates things.

Phyl
Jim Hefner

climber
La Verne, CA
Nov 23, 2012 - 01:35pm PT
I too am waiting to hear word from Access Fund before sending off my money.

Yup, escrow of some type.
Tax deductibility is best.
Restoration should be separate issue.
A year or two max. Then funds returned.

Busting these vile people a primary goal. Possible collective goodwill is just a bonus.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Nov 23, 2012 - 02:54pm PT
Perhaps the money could be held as part of the reward offered for a reasonable period (six months?), and then if unclaimed, could go toward whatever restoration can be done.
ncrockclimber

climber
The Desert Oven
Nov 23, 2012 - 03:21pm PT
Good on you, Ron!
Wildincognito

climber
Eastside
Nov 23, 2012 - 04:20pm PT
Yeah keep it up guys and we will have Hueco Tanks 2.0
Rob- I find that insulting, why not just use a 3-D printer and make exact reproductions of what was there! Come on.
This is the condition of these petroglyphs now and should be left as a reminder of how stupid and disrespectful people have become.
Chinchen

climber
Way out there....
Nov 23, 2012 - 08:14pm PT
The fund could not be set up without the Tax I.D. number I think. There will be an announcement after the holiday I was told.


Ron, while I appreciate your suggestions I do not think adding fake art would be acceptable. Restoration maybe....


"Hueco Tanks 2.0"........lol, yea right.


phylp

Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
Dec 1, 2012 - 08:40am PT
Thanks qitnl.
Erik Vance

Trad climber
Berkeley, CA
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:31pm PT
You know, it occurs to me that the a@#holes who did this have to sell them somewhere, right? If the local cops kept an eye on eBay and the like, they may spot the thieves. I'm sure they could recruit some local climbers to help out. Certainly I would.
melski

Trad climber
bytheriver
Dec 5, 2012 - 07:02pm PT
i think we,all agree,the laws of this land won't be enough for the deed,,reminds me alittle of luke stong,,look you in the eye and deny juging your lines ,stealing your bags off the wall,,stashing it in camp 4 under a tarp,,maybe these idiots arn;t much smarter,,dont hav;to look too far,,i amagin,
Peter Haan

Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
Dec 5, 2012 - 07:36pm PT
Randisi I agree and with a smile too; we do have sort of a crude parallel here !
JNB2

Mountain climber
oakland
Dec 5, 2012 - 08:04pm PT
I expect the thieves had the rocks sold before they cut them.
The BLM won't catch them, but spirits will torture them forever.
atchafalaya

Boulder climber
Dec 5, 2012 - 08:25pm PT
I suspect that if you continue to speculate as to where the petroglyphs went, we will be no closer to catching the vandals.
RIP Canon

Sport climber
Westfield, Ma.
Dec 7, 2012 - 12:19pm PT
The BLM is offering a $1,000 reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the thieves. Damaging or removing the petroglyphs is a felony. First-time offenders can be imprisoned for up to one year and fined as much as $20,000, authorities said.

That's a laughable punishment. An insult to the nation - the real one.
phylp

Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
Dec 13, 2012 - 12:22pm PT
I finally had a chance to catch up with this - initially there was no paypal link but now it's very easy to donate with separate account buttons for each of the four objectives.

Phyl
rockermike

Trad climber
Berkeley
Dec 13, 2012 - 02:55pm PT
Chris McNamara

SuperTopo staff member
Dec 15, 2012 - 05:01pm PT
I added this to the SuperTopo Facebook page to raise awareness http://www.facebook.com/SuperTopo?ref=ts
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