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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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Nov 22, 2012 - 08:15pm PT
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Who knows the motivation behind this. Hopefully it is tweakers because the liklihood they are caught goes up.
If it is a rich private person maybe they just get off on hurting native americans kind of like skull and bones having the skull of Geronimo. In this case it most likely won't be discovered.
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Wildincognito
climber
Eastside
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Nov 22, 2012 - 10:53pm PT
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This thread has become a " how to" discussion and should be deleted.
Also stop making "non profit" funds that are related to climbing.
Nobody climbs where these were and the access fund should distance itself from this issue
There have been enough access issues in this region lately that climbers keep bring up and are in no way helping
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Chinchen
climber
Way out there....
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Nov 23, 2012 - 12:41pm PT
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I also disagree. And being a Bishop local who is keen on improving the local view of climbers I have to say you are way off base. In light of some other recent issues in the tablelands this is a perfect opportunity for us to show that we care about the area and the Access Fund is the perfect non-profit to help us collect the money. Besides all they are doing is lending us their Tax I.D. number to accept tax deductible donations.
Secondly this is a nationwide news story and if the Access Fund is involved it can only improve their public profile. Seems like a good thing for everyone.
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phylp
Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
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Nov 23, 2012 - 01:06pm PT
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Chinchen, I am waiting to see some kind of an announcement from the Access fund about if and how they intend to be involved in all of this before contributing anything. What has not been made clear is whether this indigogo fund is set up as a donation (to what?) or an escrow fund.
What I would prefer to see is an escrow fund earmarked to the reward, to be awarded to person or persons who provide information leading to arrest and conviction of individuals responsible. There would need to be some time limit set for holding the fund.
Personally I would like to see funds for the reward and funds for "preservation" de-linked. What is the plan for "preservation"? The indiegogo account page seems to be combining both these objectives (reward and preservation), which I personally think overcomplicates things.
Phyl
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Jim Hefner
climber
La Verne, CA
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Nov 23, 2012 - 01:35pm PT
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I too am waiting to hear word from Access Fund before sending off my money.
Yup, escrow of some type.
Tax deductibility is best.
Restoration should be separate issue.
A year or two max. Then funds returned.
Busting these vile people a primary goal. Possible collective goodwill is just a bonus.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Nov 23, 2012 - 02:54pm PT
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Perhaps the money could be held as part of the reward offered for a reasonable period (six months?), and then if unclaimed, could go toward whatever restoration can be done.
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Nov 23, 2012 - 03:21pm PT
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Good on you, Ron!
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Wildincognito
climber
Eastside
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Nov 23, 2012 - 04:20pm PT
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Yeah keep it up guys and we will have Hueco Tanks 2.0
Rob- I find that insulting, why not just use a 3-D printer and make exact reproductions of what was there! Come on.
This is the condition of these petroglyphs now and should be left as a reminder of how stupid and disrespectful people have become.
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Chinchen
climber
Way out there....
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Nov 23, 2012 - 08:14pm PT
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The fund could not be set up without the Tax I.D. number I think. There will be an announcement after the holiday I was told.
Ron, while I appreciate your suggestions I do not think adding fake art would be acceptable. Restoration maybe....
"Hueco Tanks 2.0"........lol, yea right.
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phylp
Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
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Thanks qitnl.
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Erik Vance
Trad climber
Berkeley, CA
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You know, it occurs to me that the a@#holes who did this have to sell them somewhere, right? If the local cops kept an eye on eBay and the like, they may spot the thieves. I'm sure they could recruit some local climbers to help out. Certainly I would.
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melski
Trad climber
bytheriver
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i think we,all agree,the laws of this land won't be enough for the deed,,reminds me alittle of luke stong,,look you in the eye and deny juging your lines ,stealing your bags off the wall,,stashing it in camp 4 under a tarp,,maybe these idiots arn;t much smarter,,dont hav;to look too far,,i amagin,
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Randisi I agree and with a smile too; we do have sort of a crude parallel here !
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JNB2
Mountain climber
oakland
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I expect the thieves had the rocks sold before they cut them.
The BLM won't catch them, but spirits will torture them forever.
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atchafalaya
Boulder climber
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I suspect that if you continue to speculate as to where the petroglyphs went, we will be no closer to catching the vandals.
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RIP Canon
Sport climber
Westfield, Ma.
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The BLM is offering a $1,000 reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the thieves. Damaging or removing the petroglyphs is a felony. First-time offenders can be imprisoned for up to one year and fined as much as $20,000, authorities said.
That's a laughable punishment. An insult to the nation - the real one.
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phylp
Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
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Dec 13, 2012 - 12:22pm PT
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I finally had a chance to catch up with this - initially there was no paypal link but now it's very easy to donate with separate account buttons for each of the four objectives.
Phyl
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Dec 13, 2012 - 02:55pm PT
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