moosedrool
Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
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Nov 20, 2012 - 01:55pm PT
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Hillrat, that’s an interesting point. What if I steal/destroy Michaelangelo’s David? I think I can do it...
I know you are joking :-)
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Dingus Milktoast
Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
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Nov 20, 2012 - 02:03pm PT
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Looting antiquities is as old as civilization. This has been going on for thousands of years. Sure there are diamond saw wielding tweakers / constuction workers with the 'skills' necessary to saw a panel out of a rock.
They built the pyramids without diamond saws. They looted them and then stripped them of cap stones, too.
Mayans... same thing.
On and on. It seems to me its amazing anything at all survives from the past.
DMT
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Ron Anderson
Trad climber
i WASNT ON THE INTERNET during bush years...
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Nov 20, 2012 - 02:11pm PT
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hehe,Moose, Kenny, nope wasnt me,, but it had been there since prolly the sixties,, that and the sign up stream at the next road cut. It seemed somehow "fitting" there- a hippie arteefakt.. it was always accepted for some unknown powers of the rock. Just that though...;-)
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hillrat
Trad climber
reno, nv
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Nov 20, 2012 - 02:16pm PT
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This is indeed a clear case of looting. There are plenty of folks who would argue against such smaller crimes like the occasional arrowhead find already discussed. And so it is the lesser actions where we have to define the line. And i was only half joking when i posted about the perp reconstructing it. Clearly that would be insufficient. But it would give them a clear understanding of what they destroyed and, id bet, a fair amount of misery as well.
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Ron Anderson
Trad climber
i WASNT ON THE INTERNET during bush years...
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Nov 20, 2012 - 02:26pm PT
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16 U.S.C. § 470ee(a): Excavate, remove, damage ... alter or deface an archaeological resource or attempt to do so
16 U.S.C. § 470ee(b): Sell, purchase, exchange, transport, receive, or ... offer to do so
16 U.S.C. § 470ee(c): Sell, purchase, exchange, transport, receive, or offer to ... in interstate or foreign commerce any archaeological resource ... in violation of any provision, rule, regulation, ordinance, or permit in effect under State or local law
the above will be their bad news..
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Anastasia
climber
InLOVEwithAris.
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Nov 20, 2012 - 02:33pm PT
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1,000 reward???? That is not enough! No way!
Wow, and my deepest condolences. I can't imagine why anyone would do such a thing. Taking a picture is way more useful, portable and respectful.
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splitter
Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Nov 20, 2012 - 02:34pm PT
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...we should put you in a row boat and make you eat honey until you sh#t yourself! I think a 'canoe' wud be more appropriate, perhaps!
;)
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 20, 2012 - 05:38pm PT
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Clearly a gas-powered cutoff saw with a diamond blade; no generator needed.
They woulda been pretty stoopid to buy it with a credit card unless they
bought it in LA.
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phylp
Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
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Nov 20, 2012 - 05:40pm PT
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This is a heinous act. I just sent a message to the Access Fund asking if they would consider offering help to the BLM to increase the reward, as a gesture of goodwill from the climbing community.
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dave
climber
Earth
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Nov 20, 2012 - 06:02pm PT
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Nice phylp, i hope they do!!
Whats strange is that I live here and a few weeks before this incident there was a case of spray painting over by what we call the road side boulders up on the table land. There is also some petroglyphs close to the bouldering, that all the climbers have respected, so the BLM blocked the road off. Probably local kids being punks.
We all heard about this and were upset. But this latest, more heinous incident happened almost 3 weeks ago, and this is the first we are hearing about it. Why did it take so long for the word to get out? When was the article in the LA times?
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Jim Hefner
climber
La Verne, CA
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Nov 20, 2012 - 06:17pm PT
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The Access Fund idea is a good one. I mentioned in an earlier post I'll put in $1,000 for an arrest/conviction. Anyone else interested in contributing to the 'reward'? I'll put up a bond, into escrow, or whatever is the best vehicle for this type of thing. Please, someone take the point on this thing...
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Captain...or Skully
climber
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Nov 20, 2012 - 07:21pm PT
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Ya don't hafta buy a tool like the one that did that. They rent them, too.
Just sayin'.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 20, 2012 - 07:44pm PT
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Buy them, rent them. A thief would steal one, which means there's probably a legitimate working guy somewhere who is missing a saw right now.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2012 - 07:47pm PT
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It seems to me its amazing anything at all survives from the past.
coming for you next.
i need a liver.
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phylp
Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
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Nov 20, 2012 - 08:01pm PT
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Jim Hefner, that is so generous of you. The Access Fund could probably coordinate that (an escrow fund) with the BLM for you and whomever else wants to contribute. I would chip in. I know they have an established relationship with the Bishop BLM.
I'll let you know what I hear back. It's the start of the Holiday period so if I don't hear anything I'll try to call them on Monday.
Phyl
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10b4me
Boulder climber
member since 2002
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Nov 20, 2012 - 10:46pm PT
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Thanks Jim.
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 20, 2012 - 11:07pm PT
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Oh God, this makes me sick...
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Nov 20, 2012 - 11:55pm PT
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Jim, I'll match that.
Us old sailors have to stick together!
I've emailed the BLM on how to coordinate.
Ken Murray
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