petroglyph theft eastside


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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
i WASNT ON THE INTERNET during bush years...
Nov 20, 2012 - 05:11pm PT
hehe,Moose, Kenny, nope wasnt me,, but it had been there since prolly the sixties,, that and the sign up stream at the next road cut. It seemed somehow "fitting" there- a hippie arteefakt.. it was always accepted for some unknown powers of the rock. Just that though...;-)

Trad climber
reno, nv
Nov 20, 2012 - 05:16pm PT
This is indeed a clear case of looting. There are plenty of folks who would argue against such smaller crimes like the occasional arrowhead find already discussed. And so it is the lesser actions where we have to define the line. And i was only half joking when i posted about the perp reconstructing it. Clearly that would be insufficient. But it would give them a clear understanding of what they destroyed and, id bet, a fair amount of misery as well.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
i WASNT ON THE INTERNET during bush years...
Nov 20, 2012 - 05:26pm PT
16 U.S.C. 470ee(a): Excavate, remove, damage ... alter or deface an archaeological resource or attempt to do so

16 U.S.C. 470ee(b): Sell, purchase, exchange, transport, receive, or ... offer to do so

16 U.S.C. 470ee(c): Sell, purchase, exchange, transport, receive, or offer to ... in interstate or foreign commerce any archaeological resource ... in violation of any provision, rule, regulation, ordinance, or permit in effect under State or local law

the above will be their bad news..

Nov 20, 2012 - 05:33pm PT
1,000 reward???? That is not enough! No way!
Wow, and my deepest condolences. I can't imagine why anyone would do such a thing. Taking a picture is way more useful, portable and respectful.

Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Nov 20, 2012 - 05:34pm PT
...we should put you in a row boat and make you eat honey until you sh#t yourself!
I think a 'canoe' wud be more appropriate, perhaps!


Trad climber
Nov 20, 2012 - 08:35pm PT

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 20, 2012 - 08:38pm PT
Clearly a gas-powered cutoff saw with a diamond blade; no generator needed.
They woulda been pretty stoopid to buy it with a credit card unless they
bought it in LA.

Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
Nov 20, 2012 - 08:40pm PT
This is a heinous act. I just sent a message to the Access Fund asking if they would consider offering help to the BLM to increase the reward, as a gesture of goodwill from the climbing community.

Nov 20, 2012 - 09:02pm PT
Nice phylp, i hope they do!!

Whats strange is that I live here and a few weeks before this incident there was a case of spray painting over by what we call the road side boulders up on the table land. There is also some petroglyphs close to the bouldering, that all the climbers have respected, so the BLM blocked the road off. Probably local kids being punks.
We all heard about this and were upset. But this latest, more heinous incident happened almost 3 weeks ago, and this is the first we are hearing about it. Why did it take so long for the word to get out? When was the article in the LA times?
Jim Hefner

La Verne, CA
Nov 20, 2012 - 09:17pm PT
The Access Fund idea is a good one. I mentioned in an earlier post I'll put in $1,000 for an arrest/conviction. Anyone else interested in contributing to the 'reward'? I'll put up a bond, into escrow, or whatever is the best vehicle for this type of thing. Please, someone take the point on this thing...

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 20, 2012 - 10:16pm PT
On Drudge now via the Telegraph.
Captain...or Skully

Nov 20, 2012 - 10:21pm PT
Ya don't hafta buy a tool like the one that did that. They rent them, too.
Just sayin'.

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Nov 20, 2012 - 10:44pm PT
Buy them, rent them. A thief would steal one, which means there's probably a legitimate working guy somewhere who is missing a saw right now.

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2012 - 10:47pm PT
It seems to me its amazing anything at all survives from the past.

coming for you next.

i need a liver.


Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
Nov 20, 2012 - 11:01pm PT
Jim Hefner, that is so generous of you. The Access Fund could probably coordinate that (an escrow fund) with the BLM for you and whomever else wants to contribute. I would chip in. I know they have an established relationship with the Bishop BLM.

I'll let you know what I hear back. It's the start of the Holiday period so if I don't hear anything I'll try to call them on Monday.

Boulder climber
member since 2002
Nov 21, 2012 - 01:46am PT
Thanks Jim.

Nov 21, 2012 - 02:07am PT
Oh God, this makes me sick...
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 21, 2012 - 02:55am PT
Jim, I'll match that.

Us old sailors have to stick together!

I've emailed the BLM on how to coordinate.

Ken Murray

Way out there....
Nov 21, 2012 - 03:04am PT
Hey everybody, the access fund will be accepting donations through a fund started by a bay area climber.

The Bishop climbing community is very upset about this as all of you are. We hope this effort shows the BLM and locals that we (climbers) are able and willing to help protect the fragile area.


Trad climber
New Durham, NH
Nov 21, 2012 - 07:42am PT
I just received this in my inbox this morning:

"In the absence of the sacred, nothing is sacred, everything is for sale."
    Oren Lyons, ONONDAGA

The Elders often say that when something is sacred it has spiritual value. You'll hear, on the Earth there are sacred spots. You'll hear, our ceremonies are sacred, our children are sacred, marriage is sacred. When something is sacred it means it's so holy you can't attach a value to it. Therefore, it's not for sale. It's an insult to suggest buying something sacred. On the other hand, if we look at it differently, as there is no sacred land, ceremonies are not sacred, our children are not sacred, etc., then everything is for sale. Sacredness creates spiritual space. Sacredness makes things holy. Sacredness shows respect for God.

Great Spirit, let me honor things that are sacred.

Hoping that the vandals are caught and punished to the fullest extent of the law, they will have to atone for this on many levels.
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