Do you get the flu vaccine every year?

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DesertRatExpeditions

Trad climber
Flagstaff, Arizona
Jan 13, 2014 - 07:49pm PT
Other than making a note of my situation I am not using it to convince anyone else not to vaccinate. Beyond that, I don't have access to the data that you do, or to enough credible journal articles to contradict the opposing hypothesis. I find plenty of articles that look at vaccinations vs. encephalopathy and autism and 70% (est) come to the conclusion that there is no link, yet awards against vaccine producers are still given to families with autistic children. While I know they are just covering their bases, even the risks listed on the sheet for the MMR vaccine on the FDA's website lists autism as a risk.

What is obvious to me is that when Dr. Wakefield published his original paper, he was slandered and pretty much lost everything, even though independent researchers have come back and confirmed his data.

I am not trying to convince anyone of anything. I never was. My post was an answer to the OP question and I gave the information I gave as a skeptic. Let's not forget that science is based on skepticism.

Anecdotally, among my peers who have children with autism, a majority (again not all, 2 fathers off hand that I can think of, a third says his son exhibited symptoms before the MMR vaccine) say that their symptoms corresponded directly to when they received their MMR vaccine. Some say it was within 10 hours, some within a week. If you look at the data reported (as required by law)of MMR vs Date of Onset symptoms, there seems to be strong support for the anecdotal evidence.

Nothing will be accomplished by insinuating that I do not know what science is, or that I may be a troll. Maybe vaccines are 100% safe (although I don't think that anyone would ever agree with this), but I am skeptical and have yet to see enough evidence to subside my skepticism.

I work very hard at keeping myself open minded enough to question accepted theories. We live in a world that we think we have a complete grasp on, but our theories and truths are proved wrong every day. Don't let me sway you into believing anything you don't want to, but I would say if you want to think of yourself as a scientist, you should question everything you believe.

“A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.”
 William James
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jan 13, 2014 - 08:32pm PT
You're not trying to convince anyone of anything? Then why write a tome about it?

The flu is bad this season, as noted.
Jeremy B.

climber
Northern California
Jan 13, 2014 - 11:13pm PT
I would also point out that known, sound science is proven wrong pretty routinely. I think the 'Heart Healthy' diet of 10 years ago is a good example of this.

Not particularly; it's more a case of taking poor or inconclusive evidence and running it through a game of telephone where the players have strong political (financial) or emotional (do it for the children!) pressure to present a simplified, settled message. Dietary recommendations thus have little connection to the underlying science, which has been relatively consistent in what it showed (or rather, didn't show).


// Yep, I generally vaccinate each year.
DesertRatExpeditions

Trad climber
Flagstaff, Arizona
Jan 14, 2014 - 07:34am PT
You're not trying to convince anyone of anything? Then why write a tome about it?

I'd hardly call 8 sentences a tome.

The rest of my posts have been to defend my skepticism.

Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and it is shameful to surrender it too soon or to the first comer; there is nobility in preserving it coolly and proudly through long youth, until at last, in the ripeness of instinct and discretion, it can be safely exchanged for fidelity and happiness.
 George Santayana

Think whatever you want. I am not criticizing your steadfastness, I am merely stating my skepticism.

I'm going climbing.
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Jan 14, 2014 - 07:42am PT
I don't get the vaccine either. Not because I'm opposed to vaccines, just horribly needle phobic. however I read that Santa Cruz County has confirmed 2 deaths (males under 50). They don't keep flu death stats on people over 65….what's up with that!!!! Age discrimination. Death panels…I know it, I just know it.

Susan
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jan 14, 2014 - 07:45am PT
Blah, blah, blah, hey, I'm going climbing too! Remember: good hand hygiene and kick your pard out of the car if they so much as sniffle. It's especially important in your population.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 14, 2014 - 08:39am PT
I find plenty of articles that look at vaccinations vs. encephalopathy and autism and 70% (est) come to the conclusion that there is no link,


Actually, it's 100% show no cause and effect.

A link is not meaningful. You have a cup of coffee this morning, and get hit by a car this afternoon. Research shows that is common....there is a link.

Is there a cause and effect? No.

Is the link meaningful in any way in which a person should live their life? No.

What is obvious to me is that when Dr. Wakefield published his original paper, he was slandered and pretty much lost everything, even though independent researchers have come back and confirmed his data.

Sorry, but you are 100% wrong in that statement. How could anybody confirm his data, when he made it up? It was in NOT being able to confirm his data by which he was uncovered. In my opinion, he is a mass murderer.

locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Jan 14, 2014 - 08:42am PT


"How could anybody confirm his data, when he made it up?"...



That would make it a little difficult...

LOL!!!...





EDITED:

Some probably have legit concerns...

But for sure the vast majority of people that are opposed to taking the vaccine are just duped by the media and BULLSH!T they read...


"I read it, MUST be true!!!"...



Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 14, 2014 - 08:54am PT
You have a cup of coffee this morning, and get hit by a car this afternoon. Research shows that is common....there is a link. Is there a cause and effect? No.

Now, Ken, I am disappointed. Your usually sage advice has gone bad on this.
If you get all jacked up on caffeine then all manner of bad things could happen. ;-]
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 14, 2014 - 10:27am PT
I don't get the shot every year, but today I got one.


I'd hardly call 8 sentences a tome.

I counted 18, some of them too long.
Just a joke bro!
moosedrool

climber
Stair climber, lost, far away from Poland
Jan 14, 2014 - 10:50am PT
You have a cup of coffee this morning, and get hit by a car this afternoon. Research shows that is common....there is a link.

How would you explain this, then?

Uri bens a spoon.
Uri bens a spoon.

Obviously there is a connection between his mind and the spoon, even if you don't see it.

Use you heads, people.

Wake up! Vaccines are worst than Metolius cams!!!!!
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 14, 2014 - 10:52am PT
YURI FAROUK!!!!!
Dolomite

climber
Anchorage
Jan 14, 2014 - 11:01am PT
My bro-in-law died of flu complications last week. I got my first flu shot ever this week. Trust me, it was cause and effect.
dirtbag

climber
Jan 27, 2014 - 10:18am PT
It's still not too late to get vaccinated:


Credit: dirtbag
hamersorethumb

Trad climber
Menlo Park, CA
Jan 27, 2014 - 12:58pm PT
Yes, for myself and to support heard immunity for the imunocomprimised who live among us.
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