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dirtbag
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Aug 31, 2013 - 03:24pm PT
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Yep, I'd do her.
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 22, 2013 - 08:01pm PT
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So I just had my annual reinstallment of my illuminati chip. Now I'll probably start farting chemtrails. But at least I'm less likely to get the flu--seems like a fair trade.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 22, 2013 - 08:06pm PT
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Got mine yesterday so I'm certified brain-dead for X months.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Nov 22, 2013 - 08:11pm PT
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never
I figure I am the guy with the best immune system by far, seeing as how my immune system is destroying my nervous system al the time…
so a little flu won't kill me
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Nov 22, 2013 - 08:46pm PT
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Every year.
No reason not to, unless you have an allergy to any of the vaccine components.
Getting influenza sucks really bad.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jan 11, 2014 - 02:04am PT
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Very interesting article by a woman who did NOT get childhood vaccines, and her experience.
http://www.slate.com/articles/life/family/2014/01/growing_up_unvaccinated_a_healthy_lifestyle_couldn_t_prevent_many_childhood.html
If you’ve never had these illnesses, you don’t know how awful they are. I do. Pain, discomfort, the inability to breathe or to eat or to swallow, fever and nightmares, itching all over your body so much that you can’t stand lying on bedsheets, losing so much weight you can’t walk properly, diarrhea that leaves you lying prostrate on the bathroom floor, the unpaid time off work for parents, the quarantine, missing school, missing parties, the worry, the sleepless nights, the sweat, the tears, the blood, the midnight visits to the emergency room, the time sitting in a doctor’s waiting room on your own because no one will sit near you because they’re rightfully scared of those spots all over your face.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jan 11, 2014 - 02:42am PT
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got it months ago...
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Jan 11, 2014 - 05:37am PT
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Me too.
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Jan 11, 2014 - 09:43am PT
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I've never had a flu shot, and I've never had the flu
watch that all change now that I wrote this ^
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dirtbag
climber
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Jan 13, 2014 - 11:03am PT
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I've heard local news reports of people dying from the flu. Often they had no serious medical conditions and were fairly young (30s and 40s) when they died.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 13, 2014 - 11:17am PT
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Yes, Dirt, it does hit those under 50 harder although that may be because
they think they've only a cold and wait longer than they should before
presenting. Three otherwise young and healthy adults have died in the last
few weeks just at my wife's hospital. (Well, it isn't her hospital.)
The saddest part is the high number of her preggers patients who decline the
flu vaccine even after an exhaustive explanation of its safety and the risk
to their baby, especially if they die. But when you're 16 you think you will
live forever.
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DesertRatExpeditions
Trad climber
Flagstaff, Arizona
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Jan 13, 2014 - 12:02pm PT
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Thought I would throw my info out there.
I work in science (Trained in Engineering M.S. & Geology), so I know how to read and understand white papers. A portion of my family works in healthcare: Grandfather was MD, Aunt and GF are Nurses, I am taking classes working towards maybe eventually going to medical school.
I haven't been vaccinated since 1984, due to families beliefs and my own lack of understanding. By lack of understanding I mean, once I reached the age of consent, I don't feel like I have seen enough data to support the use of vaccines except in the most dire circumstances. To me the issue of vaccines is similar to the issue of nutrition i.e. we understand the basics, but we don't understand all the implications of the basics. This is evidenced by the polar views on various diets.
The majority of studies I have read supporting vaccines either have conflicting interests, or data that doesn't always match what the conclusion of the paper is. The research that supports the harm caused by vaccines is sparse, but mostly sound from my reading.
I am not saying I don't think vaccines are a good idea, I am just saying that I don't think due process is complete.
My Story: Vaccinated last in 1984, I get sick about one time a year, sometimes more, sometimes less. I haven't been sick in the last 13 months, but was sick twice in the last 25. I have traveled extensively in the third world, spending weeks and months at a time in the jungles of Asia/South America. I always eat the local food and enjoy trying out the local hang outs. In 2000, I came back from Thailand looking like I had the measles from all the mosquito bites I had from sleeping outside in the jungle, and I admit I was mildly worried I might contract something, but never did. From my observations, I get sick much less than most of the people I associate with.
Again, I am not anti-vaccine, I have just chosen not to have any myself until I feel that I have a more thorough depth of understanding surrounding the research.
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DesertRatExpeditions
Trad climber
Flagstaff, Arizona
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Jan 13, 2014 - 12:41pm PT
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I worked in the medical field at the lower end but have done some studying (EMT)...
Being a WFR now, and wanting to take my EMT, I know I will have to get vaccinated at that point. I know it is a requirement. I also know that I am going to have to at least lean more towards one side or the other once I have kids. I just don't feel like I have seen enough research yet.
P.S. Not claiming to be expert.
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Aya K
Trad climber
Boulder, CO!
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Jan 13, 2014 - 12:43pm PT
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I'm a doctor. Vaccinations work.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 13, 2014 - 12:48pm PT
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Not claiming to be expert.
Yeah, we get that. Do you also dismiss global warming? Yeah, we also get
that some 'science types' dismiss that, also. Well, as with global warming
the VAST MAJORITY of actual experts agree that the flu vaccine is nearly
completely safe and effective enough to warrant its usage. But maybe you
should take a statistics course to read up further in lieu of believing those
so-called 'experts' at the Center For Disease Control or the Jonas Salk Institute.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jan 13, 2014 - 01:01pm PT
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Ken M is also a doctor and a vocal proponent of getting vaccines.
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TrackerTodd
Mountain climber
CA
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Jan 13, 2014 - 01:27pm PT
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I get it every year, to protect myself and not to transfer the flu to others.
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Seamstress
Trad climber
Yacolt, WA
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Jan 13, 2014 - 02:14pm PT
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Do you have kids? Do they go to school or a daycare? They will be exposed to the flu. Better get the vaccine than get the disease.
Do you work in a healthcare field where you will be exposed? Do you work in a large company/institution where people will have the flu? You should get the vaccine, especially if you have kids or elderly people in your household. You do not want to carry this disease back to those most vulnerable.
My daughter is an asthmatic. I am an EMT. I almost never get sick. Once she had asthma, I started to get the shot to protect her. This was the same timeframe as when I first became an EMT. Once I no longer have to consider, and if I no longer transport ill people, I may reconsider.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Jan 13, 2014 - 02:28pm PT
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This thread reminded me -- prob go out and get one today.
But looking at the effectiveness of the flu shot has been a little disappointing--something like 50%.
That's a lot better than nothing, but maybe not as good as some of us may expect--the providers of flu shots don't really advertise that number.
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