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locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
May 7, 2013 - 11:28am PT


Yeah!!!...

Right after I posted the above it hit me that the problem was most likely equally as there, just that it hadn't been discovered yet...

locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
May 7, 2013 - 11:30am PT

BINGO!!! = "Best thing is to just stay away from processed foods."...


"it didn't get messed with until the mid 70s"...

Not positive, but I believe that the bleeching/processing of Wheat happened well before the 70's...

But just as my post moments back was wrong, so could this one be...

I could look it up...

Just being lazy at the moment...




EDITED:

here's another interesting bit on WHEAT...

http://www.thenaturalrecoveryplan.com/articles/What-Happened-to-Wheat.html
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
May 7, 2013 - 11:41am PT
one view of the body is that it is an ecosystem which supports a vast microorganism population, which lives more or less in symbiosis with the host (that's you and me)

antibiotics kill off that community in your gut and I believe there are findings that unless the community is restored intentionally, it may not reestablish itself

but I'd assume that your doctors know that

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gut_flora
GhoulweJ

Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
May 7, 2013 - 12:01pm PT
Sounds like all ur orifices are failing u
Sorry to hear it
Best of luck
Baggins

Boulder climber
May 7, 2013 - 01:15pm PT
Colonoscopy. could be colitis
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
May 7, 2013 - 01:17pm PT
Everyone has a balance of candida and probiotics. Your symptoms sound like candida overgrowth.

To keep candida in check, the best, but not necessarily easiest way is to cut out ALL sugar for at least 2 weeks or so. You can also take a herbal supplements to nuke the candida. Also take broad-spectrum, high quality probiotics.

You will detox and get headaches, but you will feel AWESOME in two weeks! FWIW, my hardest sends were coming off a sugar cleanse.

Refined wheat is jsut one thing that conversts easily to sugar, but there are many others including healthy sounding things like fruit juice, but fruit is ok cuz the fiber slows absorbtion.

I have been keeping canidida in check for many years. Do a google, and PM me with questions.
moosedrool

climber
Stair climber, lost, far away from Poland
May 7, 2013 - 01:49pm PT
I've been on sugar, gluten, and lactose free diet for over two months. Taking vit B, D, multi, fish oil, probiotics, borage oil, betamine HCl, and digestive enzymes. Can't eat potatoes, corn, or fruit. No alcohol or vinegar. Any deviation, and I am very sick. Like yesterday when I had some beed sup.
Scoped from top to bottom and bottom to top. Blood and fecal tested.

Fun, hahaha!
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
May 7, 2013 - 01:55pm PT
So, it isn't your first rodeo.

Have you tried caster bean oil? It is seriously bad-ass, but like I said you will detox like a mofo. Start with one three times a day and build to 3 times a day with food, and take probiotics in between meals.

http://www.bing.com/shopping/formula-sf722-250-thosf722/p/8E72C0EE2DDDEAB85012?q=thorne+research+sf722&lpq=thorne%20research%20sf722&qpvt=thorne+research+sf722&FORM=HURE

monolith

climber
SF bay area
May 7, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
So which works better, prebiotics (fiber from fruits,vegies,greens) or probiotics (cultured dairy products)?

Here's a vid of an experiment to compare the two (set to start at 38 minutes):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=mue6z0igQIU#t=2273s

Over a week's time, prebiotics works considerably better. Probiotics had little effect.

So eat your fiber from whole plant sources. Good gut bacteria thrive on soluble and insoluble fiber.
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
May 7, 2013 - 02:00pm PT
Good point. I get 50-70% of my calories from raw food smoothies via Vitamix.

patrick compton

Trad climber
van
May 7, 2013 - 02:04pm PT
Also, gluten and COW dairy free. Sheep and goat don't give a problem.

I am, however, drinking half a hoppy IPA per day to build reisistence to beer and trace amounts of wheat. It is going well and I haven't had the inflamation issues I have had in the past.
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
May 7, 2013 - 02:37pm PT
Have they tested your gut/stools for presence of "Clostridium difficile"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clostridium_difficile_infection_(CDI);

People often get this when a course of antibiotics kill off the other gut bacteria, but only this (antibiotic resistant) strain remains.

If you have this, there is finally a good treatment for it, although it sounds disgusting at first. The trick is to reintroduce the original mix of gut bacteria, which will "crowd out" the Clostridium difficile.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fecal_bacteriotherapy
moosedrool

climber
Stair climber, lost, far away from Poland
May 7, 2013 - 02:47pm PT
I will try fecal transplant, just need to convince the wife to be the donor. She is not enthusiastic to the idea and neither am I. Needs to be done, though.

Garlic helps me, but my diet is just ridiculous. The same meals over and over.

:-/
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
May 7, 2013 - 03:30pm PT
Garlic kills bacteria and fungus. Anything fermented helps restore the right bacteria. If you're off of dairy try dill pickles, sour kraut, kimchee, miso and other fermented soy products. Refrigerated supplements in capsules work well too.

The amount of fish oil seems to make a difference. My big breakthrough was reading that large amounts of fish oil cured inflammatory bowel disease when nothing else did. I started taking 5 big capsules (2.5 mg) twice a day and got instant relief. Like you all my tests were negative and the doctors then tried to tell me it was psychological. If I had told them it went away with fish oil, they would have concluded that for sure.

Another very important aid is folic acid, especially if you've had giardia or any other malabsorption problem. Try 5 mg for a few days and see if that helps. There's something called tropical sprue which is poorly understood that affects the small intestine and is cured by folic acid (you don't have to be in the tropics to get it).

Another thing they check for is cryptospiridium. It's a parasite like amoebas that is hard to get rid of. The problem is, the diagnosis is only as good as the lab tech. I've never had a western lab tech find any of this yet in Nepal and India they do. It depends on what they're used to looking at. If they don't find anything, the western doctors won't treat you. State Dept. and Peace Corps doctors do three tests and if they're all negative and you're still sick, they treat you anyway.
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
May 7, 2013 - 03:43pm PT
Have you been checked for giardia? Your symptoms are similar to giardia (and a bazillion other things).

A link. http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/giardia-infection/DS00739/DSECTION=symptoms

Susan

healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
May 7, 2013 - 03:44pm PT
Wow, an amazing amount of voodoo, pop medical mythology, and the usual rasher of anti-science in this thread. But the C. Difficle thing is very real and there are folks working on a less socially inconvenient response.

http://scienceblogs.com/thepumphandle/2013/01/17/clinical-trial-of-fecal-transplant-gets-impressive-results-synthetic-poop-is-in-the-works-2/

But you really do need a specific C. Difficle diagnosis to bother with a fecal transplant as it's not a general cure.

Have you been checked for giardia?

If he had Giardia he wouldn't be typing away on the computer, he'd be doubled up in a ball cramping away on an ER table, or at least I was - it certainly isn't a subtle infection.
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
May 7, 2013 - 03:55pm PT
Wasn't there a song back in the 70's about a girl named Candida?
couchmaster

climber
pdx
May 7, 2013 - 04:18pm PT
HealyJ said:
"fecal transplant"

Whoh. I'm be into supporting a "don't ask don't tell" policy on this one. I suspect that there are many supporters with web sites and photos for the devotes, NOT THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT.... I'm sure.
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
May 7, 2013 - 05:39pm PT
If he had Giardia he wouldn't be typing away on the computer, he'd be doubled up in a ball cramping away on an ER table, or at least I was - it certainly isn't a subtle infection.

Sounds like you had it really bad. I had it for several months before Dx...uncomfortable symptoms...but nothing like you had....ick...

Susan
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
May 7, 2013 - 05:51pm PT
Didn't know you could have it and not be basically dying. Happened when I lived in Francestown, NH where the town's water supply was not what you'd call sophisticated in a place where we were surrounded by beaver ponds on all sides.

Everyone I knew who got it (like 5% chunk of the town) had more or less immediate and dire symptoms which required an ER visit. Grim.
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