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Silver

Ice climber
Nov 9, 2012 - 02:45pm PT
Very well could be Candida

hope ya feel better soon,and if i get a chance i will ask my wife what she did to cure her candida, and get back to you.

Have em check your testosterone levels as well.

eKat

Trad climber
BackInTheDitch BackInTheDirt BackInTheDay
Nov 9, 2012 - 02:49pm PT
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There's a thread on here, somewhere about WHEAT intolerance. . . IT CHANGED MY LIFE!

Get that book.

READ IT!

But. . . for right now. . . STOP EATING WHEAT and see if you start feeling better. I started feeling better IMMEDIATELY and stopped taking a prescribed drug that I'd been on for a year.

GOOD LUCK!
moosedrool

Trad climber
Fremont
Nov 9, 2012 - 02:57pm PT
I don't think it is wheat, or my eating habits. When I do my 10 day fasting (water only) I still have the same problems, they are just less severe.
doc bs

Social climber
Northwest
Nov 9, 2012 - 03:11pm PT
If they checked you for C diff, giardia and bacterial pathogens, and all negative then you could have developed lactose intolerance or wheat allergy.

Try a full month off milk and noncultured dairy (butter, whey, icecream, 1/2 and 1/2 creamer etc), if that works - try a whole year before you try going back.

If milk abstinence doesnt work, then you could have celiac disease which is allergy to wheat and wheat byproducts. Wheat byproducts are common additives to processed or packaged food, they are also used to make vitamins, prescription drugs, make up, lotions, etc. Any minor contact (even makeup or handling wheat flour on your counter top) can cause 1 month relapse of symptoms. People with celiac disease ussually have lactose intolerance too, so continue the milk abstinence while doing celiac diet.

Here are three websites that can be helpful to people with Celiac disease.
http://www.celiac.com
http://www.gluten.net
http://www.glutenfreedrugs.com

Malabsorption disease from chronic diarrhea can cause micronutrient malnutrition. Chronic B12 deficiency can lead to peripheral neuropathy and dementia. Make sure your doctor is checking you for B12 and iron deficiency and vitamin D deficiency which can lead to many problems.

Oral vitamin suplements and even B12 shots or iron infusions may be neccessary to restore your good health

Other things can cause chronic diarrhea including, medications (protonix on omeprazole can cause diarrhea), tumors, endocrinopathies, inflammatory bowel disease, crohns disease, etc. If you have never seen a GI doctor, that should be next after the milk and wheat abstinence trials.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 9, 2012 - 03:50pm PT
Wheat / gluten aside a possible 'cure' - and that one is worth seriously considering - is actually another round of antibiotics followed by the probiotics, helped my wife with similar symptoms.
moosedrool

Trad climber
Fremont
Nov 9, 2012 - 04:04pm PT
Silver and Healyje, if you could find more info I would be regretful.

Thank you,

Andrzej
John M

climber
Nov 9, 2012 - 04:18pm PT
I feel for you. Doctors aren't necessarily clueless, its just that these symptoms could be caused by so many different things and many of them don't have clear tests. The diagnosis is often based on multiple tests, on symptoms and on the doctors instincts. The human body is very complex and there are just so many things that we don't know.

You probably don't want to hear my story because its not very fun, and you probably won't want to hear what I had to do to get better because it sucked.

I went on a prolonged extensive diet.

No sugar, wheat, dairy, red meat, corn, caffeine, or alcohol for 18 months. It sucked, but I was desperate and it helped a lot. I reintroduced all of those things very slowly and now don't have near the problems that I did. This was in my late 20s to early 30s. I am 53 now, so tests may be better. I don't know.

moosedrool

climber
Stair climber, lost, far away from Poland
May 7, 2013 - 04:39am PT
still got it!
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
May 7, 2013 - 04:46am PT
Chronic B12 deficiency can lead to peripheral neuropathy and dementia.

Doc BS, yes and all the B vitamins are needed for a healthy brain/nervous system.

It was B1 (Thiamine) deficiency (from long-term alcohol abuse, but one can also get Korsakoff's from beri beri, centipede bites in Japan from the mukade centipede) that caused my partner Jennie's Korsakoff's Syndrome.


Andrzej, as far as you are concerned, I wish I could be of better help/information.
Delhi Dog

climber
Good Question...
May 7, 2013 - 04:51am PT
Dooooood, yer drooling all over the front page...

put a sock in it!

:-)
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
May 7, 2013 - 05:42am PT
I get candida in my throat, esophagus and the rest of my digestive system every time I take antibiotics. As a result, every time they're prescribed, I get 10 days worth of oral nystatin which you swish around in your mouth and slowly swallow. It works within 12 hours for me. I've never had trouble getting a prescription for it when I mention that I have this problem. Nystatin is harmless and candida infections are very common.

Good clues it might be candida are white spots on your tonsils or the back of your throat, intense itching in the canals between your throat and ears, burping yeasty smells etc. If you have had parasites or bacteria and/or candida, you can develop a temporary inability to digest dairy or gluten. If you lay off of them at the same time and don't eat much sugar or carbohydrates for a few days that helps. If you reintroduce them after the Nystatin and you do ok, that's a pretty good indication it was candida.

As one who has spent a lot of time in third world countries, I can definitely sympathize with digestive problems!
moosedrool

climber
Stair climber, lost, far away from Poland
May 7, 2013 - 06:33am PT
Thanks Jan.

Sorry Dehli, feeling very sick, tired, old, can't s slip, and need to go to work in three hours.

Tried to entertain myself by placing 10 consecutive posts of mine.

Somewhat entertaining ;)
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
May 7, 2013 - 06:58am PT
Any chance you had been in a third world country or drank out of a harmless looking stream before you had to take the antibiotics?
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
May 7, 2013 - 09:15am PT
Jan had some good things to say about candida

Gluten is worth giving up as a test for anyone with issues around the gut, weight, or digestion. When I quit wheat and gluten, I dropped 20+ pounds without exercise. (this has little to do it Candida but since it was discussed)

Candida is a fungus and so antibiotics will do nothing for it. The common medical test for it isn't very sensitive. Look for a doctor that specialized in "functional Medicine" and you'll get tested by more sensitive methods. Nystatin is a common medicine for it or you might be prescribed Diflucan if it's systemic. There are some herbal treatments as well if it's not severe and you'll be advised to keep carbs low and cut sugar.

Peace

Karl
Delhi Dog

climber
Good Question...
May 7, 2013 - 09:57am PT
no worries mr drool
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
May 7, 2013 - 10:03am PT
"can't s slip,"



Sounds like a good time to go climb something hard!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 7, 2013 - 11:20am PT
+1 for no gluten. Cleared up my chronic gas problem too. Last time I ate gluten was just before (and during) the plane ride back from Greece... I'm surprised I wasn't arrested for detonating dirty bombs on the plane.
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
May 7, 2013 - 11:22am PT


Quit drinking that fuking Moosedrool and you'll be fine!!!...



locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
May 7, 2013 - 11:23am PT


This GLUTEN bit is the latest craze!!!...

Funny how it was never a problem when many of us were younger...

Amazed we made it this far...

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 7, 2013 - 11:27am PT
locker, it WAS a problem when I was little... as was fish, chicken, turkey, beans, etc. for me. Just that nobody knew it, despite several ER visits (chicken and fish), chronic constipation at 6 years old, and a list of other symptoms I didn't get rid of until I was enlightened in my late 20's by bvb's evil X.

In a world without mass produced/processed/subsidized food, we would listen to our bodies and figure out how they respond to the food we put in them. As it stands, we scarf down whatever the lobbyists succeed in getting subsidized (wheat, soy, corn, dairy, etc)... most of it genetically modified and/or processed beyond recognition.
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
May 7, 2013 - 11:28am PT


Yeah!!!...

Right after I posted the above it hit me that the problem was most likely equally as there, just that it hadn't been discovered yet...

locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
May 7, 2013 - 11:30am PT

BINGO!!! = "Best thing is to just stay away from processed foods."...


"it didn't get messed with until the mid 70s"...

Not positive, but I believe that the bleeching/processing of Wheat happened well before the 70's...

But just as my post moments back was wrong, so could this one be...

I could look it up...

Just being lazy at the moment...




EDITED:

here's another interesting bit on WHEAT...

http://www.thenaturalrecoveryplan.com/articles/What-Happened-to-Wheat.html
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
May 7, 2013 - 11:41am PT
one view of the body is that it is an ecosystem which supports a vast microorganism population, which lives more or less in symbiosis with the host (that's you and me)

antibiotics kill off that community in your gut and I believe there are findings that unless the community is restored intentionally, it may not reestablish itself

but I'd assume that your doctors know that

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gut_flora
GhoulweJ

Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
May 7, 2013 - 12:01pm PT
Sounds like all ur orifices are failing u
Sorry to hear it
Best of luck
Baggins

Boulder climber
May 7, 2013 - 01:15pm PT
Colonoscopy. could be colitis
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
May 7, 2013 - 01:17pm PT
Everyone has a balance of candida and probiotics. Your symptoms sound like candida overgrowth.

To keep candida in check, the best, but not necessarily easiest way is to cut out ALL sugar for at least 2 weeks or so. You can also take a herbal supplements to nuke the candida. Also take broad-spectrum, high quality probiotics.

You will detox and get headaches, but you will feel AWESOME in two weeks! FWIW, my hardest sends were coming off a sugar cleanse.

Refined wheat is jsut one thing that conversts easily to sugar, but there are many others including healthy sounding things like fruit juice, but fruit is ok cuz the fiber slows absorbtion.

I have been keeping canidida in check for many years. Do a google, and PM me with questions.
moosedrool

climber
Stair climber, lost, far away from Poland
May 7, 2013 - 01:49pm PT
I've been on sugar, gluten, and lactose free diet for over two months. Taking vit B, D, multi, fish oil, probiotics, borage oil, betamine HCl, and digestive enzymes. Can't eat potatoes, corn, or fruit. No alcohol or vinegar. Any deviation, and I am very sick. Like yesterday when I had some beed sup.
Scoped from top to bottom and bottom to top. Blood and fecal tested.

Fun, hahaha!
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
May 7, 2013 - 01:55pm PT
So, it isn't your first rodeo.

Have you tried caster bean oil? It is seriously bad-ass, but like I said you will detox like a mofo. Start with one three times a day and build to 3 times a day with food, and take probiotics in between meals.

http://www.bing.com/shopping/formula-sf722-250-thosf722/p/8E72C0EE2DDDEAB85012?q=thorne+research+sf722&lpq=thorne%20research%20sf722&qpvt=thorne+research+sf722&FORM=HURE

monolith

climber
SF bay area
May 7, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
So which works better, prebiotics (fiber from fruits,vegies,greens) or probiotics (cultured dairy products)?

Here's a vid of an experiment to compare the two (set to start at 38 minutes):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=mue6z0igQIU#t=2273s

Over a week's time, prebiotics works considerably better. Probiotics had little effect.

So eat your fiber from whole plant sources. Good gut bacteria thrive on soluble and insoluble fiber.
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
May 7, 2013 - 02:00pm PT
Good point. I get 50-70% of my calories from raw food smoothies via Vitamix.

patrick compton

Trad climber
van
May 7, 2013 - 02:04pm PT
Also, gluten and COW dairy free. Sheep and goat don't give a problem.

I am, however, drinking half a hoppy IPA per day to build reisistence to beer and trace amounts of wheat. It is going well and I haven't had the inflamation issues I have had in the past.
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
May 7, 2013 - 02:37pm PT
Have they tested your gut/stools for presence of "Clostridium difficile"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clostridium_difficile_infection_(CDI);

People often get this when a course of antibiotics kill off the other gut bacteria, but only this (antibiotic resistant) strain remains.

If you have this, there is finally a good treatment for it, although it sounds disgusting at first. The trick is to reintroduce the original mix of gut bacteria, which will "crowd out" the Clostridium difficile.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fecal_bacteriotherapy
moosedrool

climber
Stair climber, lost, far away from Poland
May 7, 2013 - 02:47pm PT
I will try fecal transplant, just need to convince the wife to be the donor. She is not enthusiastic to the idea and neither am I. Needs to be done, though.

Garlic helps me, but my diet is just ridiculous. The same meals over and over.

:-/
tioga

Mountain climber
pac northwest
May 7, 2013 - 03:03pm PT
Tons of high quality probiotics (refrigerated supplements in capsules) + more raw food, especially apples + camomile tea + whey protein powder or greek yogurt + green tea + large doses of vit C + multi-vitamins + antioxidant supplements + raw Garlic. Unless you have serious infection, this should hopefully work.
Eliminate anything containing "natural flavors" (they're as bad as artificial), no sugars (use Stevia instead, to sweeten), no preservatives/additives/fillers in foods (any kind of "modified starch", etc) , no canned foods.

Wheat and gluten aren't as bad as they paint them (wheat being main European stable before importation of potatoes from Americas)--it's just a matter how much and what quality. If you eat high quality (organic, real whole grain, stoneground, pure stuff) it's one thing...regular bagel is another thing... Ancient grains, including ancient varieties of wheat (Farro grain, Spelt), and in limited quantities (not 3x a day) are nothing but good for you. If you have real gluten allergy (very small chance), you'd know it long time ago. In general, instead of buying "bread products" that are usually full of crap, even from Whole Foods; instead, cook your whole grains as in "porridge". The thing about ancient breeds of wheat (widely available now), is that they didn't undergo further selective breeding to increase easy carb/bad starch content. As to "breads": organic, whole grain (and possibly sprouted) corn tortillas are available for pretty cheap now as bread substitutes.... The good breads/tortillas have only 2-3 ingredients: flour (or corn masa), salt and water (also, lime for corn stuff). If there's anything else, it's junk, mostly.
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
May 7, 2013 - 03:30pm PT
Garlic kills bacteria and fungus. Anything fermented helps restore the right bacteria. If you're off of dairy try dill pickles, sour kraut, kimchee, miso and other fermented soy products. Refrigerated supplements in capsules work well too.

The amount of fish oil seems to make a difference. My big breakthrough was reading that large amounts of fish oil cured inflammatory bowel disease when nothing else did. I started taking 5 big capsules (2.5 mg) twice a day and got instant relief. Like you all my tests were negative and the doctors then tried to tell me it was psychological. If I had told them it went away with fish oil, they would have concluded that for sure.

Another very important aid is folic acid, especially if you've had giardia or any other malabsorption problem. Try 5 mg for a few days and see if that helps. There's something called tropical sprue which is poorly understood that affects the small intestine and is cured by folic acid (you don't have to be in the tropics to get it).

Another thing they check for is cryptospiridium. It's a parasite like amoebas that is hard to get rid of. The problem is, the diagnosis is only as good as the lab tech. I've never had a western lab tech find any of this yet in Nepal and India they do. It depends on what they're used to looking at. If they don't find anything, the western doctors won't treat you. State Dept. and Peace Corps doctors do three tests and if they're all negative and you're still sick, they treat you anyway.
tioga

Mountain climber
pac northwest
May 7, 2013 - 03:40pm PT
My landlord just ended up on antibiotics for gut infection and ended up pretty much in a bad state after all antibiotics, kind of as OP described...the thing is he eats absolutely anything...if there's anything crappy sold in food store, he loves it and will eat it....and the dude is a multi-millionaire. I got him eating yogurt, finally...he thought "Jellos" were the same thing as yogurt...Docs told him to eat probiotics, but he thinks it's some kind of "high tech fancy thing", so, he's eating buttermilk now. I told him he better off eating organic food now instead of canned tuna junk...he laughed so hard when I said there's "organic chicken" out there. Eww...! Makes me mad. He thinks "doctors" will fix him without him putting any effort in eating well! We're responsible for own health... I've been studying nutrition for a long time now, and stayed away from any doctors for 15 years after they almost killed me. Anyway: "Apple a day..." now means "Organic Apple a day"...keeps the medical leech away (I found that 2lbs of apples a day works even better)

It's funny how they post in Yosemsite how bears get sick from eating human food...The things is most human diseases come from modern "human food" aka "pseudo-food". Bears eat raw foods in a natural state and are very healthy...
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
May 7, 2013 - 03:43pm PT
Have you been checked for giardia? Your symptoms are similar to giardia (and a bazillion other things).

A link. http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/giardia-infection/DS00739/DSECTION=symptoms

Susan

healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
May 7, 2013 - 03:44pm PT
Wow, an amazing amount of voodoo, pop medical mythology, and the usual rasher of anti-science in this thread. But the C. Difficle thing is very real and there are folks working on a less socially inconvenient response.

http://scienceblogs.com/thepumphandle/2013/01/17/clinical-trial-of-fecal-transplant-gets-impressive-results-synthetic-poop-is-in-the-works-2/

But you really do need a specific C. Difficle diagnosis to bother with a fecal transplant as it's not a general cure.

Have you been checked for giardia?

If he had Giardia he wouldn't be typing away on the computer, he'd be doubled up in a ball cramping away on an ER table, or at least I was - it certainly isn't a subtle infection.
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
May 7, 2013 - 03:55pm PT
Wasn't there a song back in the 70's about a girl named Candida?
couchmaster

climber
pdx
May 7, 2013 - 04:18pm PT
HealyJ said:
"fecal transplant"

Whoh. I'm be into supporting a "don't ask don't tell" policy on this one. I suspect that there are many supporters with web sites and photos for the devotes, NOT THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT.... I'm sure.
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
May 7, 2013 - 05:39pm PT
If he had Giardia he wouldn't be typing away on the computer, he'd be doubled up in a ball cramping away on an ER table, or at least I was - it certainly isn't a subtle infection.

Sounds like you had it really bad. I had it for several months before Dx...uncomfortable symptoms...but nothing like you had....ick...

Susan
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
May 7, 2013 - 05:51pm PT
Didn't know you could have it and not be basically dying. Happened when I lived in Francestown, NH where the town's water supply was not what you'd call sophisticated in a place where we were surrounded by beaver ponds on all sides.

Everyone I knew who got it (like 5% chunk of the town) had more or less immediate and dire symptoms which required an ER visit. Grim.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
May 7, 2013 - 05:53pm PT
Couch: Whoh. I'm be into supporting a "don't ask don't tell" policy on this one.

Yeah, I suspect it would be easier asking a spouse or sibling for a kidney.
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
May 7, 2013 - 06:13pm PT
Didn't know you could have it and not be basically dying

I noticed you said you had it in NH...my Dad, who lives in Pa, got it a few years ago and suffered as you describe. It became very rampant around the area he lives, near Lake Erie. Others there suffered as you described. I was here in Ca when Dx. Probably got it from one of the dogs I foster. I wonder if the strain here on the west coast is more mild...who knows...I was pretty uncomfortable but nothing like what you went through.

Susan
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
May 7, 2013 - 06:55pm PT


"I will try fecal transplant"...


Give me a hundred bucks and I'll be happy to sh!t in a jar for you and you can use it as you wish...

moosedrool

climber
Stair climber, lost, far away from Poland
May 7, 2013 - 09:42pm PT
A $100???

Locker, last time you sent me some sh!t it was much cheaper.

lol
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
May 7, 2013 - 09:43pm PT


Yeah, butt this is GUD sh!t!!!...

moosedrool

climber
Stair climber, lost, far away from Poland
May 7, 2013 - 09:49pm PT
Supertaco discount mybe?

I'll give you $50 and send all unused sh!t back.

Deal?

Edit: Picture of the GUDS would be nice.
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
May 7, 2013 - 09:52pm PT
sounds' like to much gym climbing
moosedrool

climber
Stair climber, lost, far away from Poland
May 7, 2013 - 09:54pm PT
Now you're giving me sh!t, Kenny?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
May 7, 2013 - 09:55pm PT
Moose....try drinking a half gallon of maple syrup and smoke a pack of cigs and you'll be good to go...
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
May 7, 2013 - 09:58pm PT
did I hear u say your working?
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
May 7, 2013 - 10:04pm PT


"Edit: Picture of the GUDS would be nice."...


I'm telling you man...

I got the BEST sh!t around!!!...

...
moosedrool

climber
Stair climber, lost, far away from Poland
May 7, 2013 - 10:05pm PT
I got a contract job for 2+ months. After that, RETIREMENT. (If I survive this stomach problems).

Moving permanently to Minden next year.

kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
May 7, 2013 - 10:07pm PT
then u will truly be a woodfords local
monolith

climber
SF bay area
May 7, 2013 - 10:11pm PT
The usefulness of probiotics explained. Don't believe the industry hype. Only 20% of the bacteria in our gut can by cultured.

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/probiotics/
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
May 7, 2013 - 10:16pm PT


So then, I'll do you one better...

Send me your address, I'll eat a HUGE dinner, and in the morning I'll drive by and hook you up...

First cup FREE!!!...

Off White

climber
Tenino, WA
May 8, 2013 - 03:35pm PT
You can learn a lot in these threads, I thought Candida Infection was the bass player for L7...




More on topic, lactose is one thing, but my wife is allergic to casein, one of the proteins, so there is no free pass for sheep or goat dairy. Wheat, soy, and eggs too, but all the dietary shenanigans are worth it to feel better. She'd just always assumed everyone felt awful after they ate.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
May 8, 2013 - 09:30pm PT
I will try fecal transplant, just need to convince the wife to be the donor. She is not enthusiastic to the idea and neither am I. Needs to be done, though.


There's some kind of irreverent humor I'm thinking here. Can't believe your wife wouldn't want to give that particular gift that she could forever remind you of~!

;-)

Karl
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