Paul Ryan Fourteeners Thread Deleted! Why?

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What's really weird is that not even google has any of it.

I know that things can be permanently deleted from this (or any) website, but how do you convince google that it was never there?

Seems like a very deep scraping of the thread. Why the effort to remove all traces? Silly.

Can't have the potential Vice prez ( haha ya right) embarrassed now can we???

Silly? I don't think so. There has to be something more than just silliness involved if all content of the thread was wiped not just from ST, but from Google (and from Bing and Yahoo as well -- I checked those sites, too). WTF?

Meanwhile, on the Supertopo.com message board …

Oct 4, 2011 - 11:35am PT
Right on Brandon, agree with the Cap'n... nuke it. Its good for the monkeys.

DMT

Aug 18, 2012 - 08:47am PT
It's here:

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1641723&msg=1906267#msg1906267

But I thought it was in this thread, but maybe was deleted:

http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1905949/Paul-Ryan-has-Climbed-40-of-Colorados-14ers

"Media Accuse Ryan of Lying About…Mountain Climbing?

By Randy Hall | September 11, 2012 | 15:57


During any presidential campaign, wild accusations fly back and forth between the GOP and the Democratic Party, but the liberal media hit a new low last Wednesday when they made the ridiculous assertion that Republican Vice Presidential nominee Paul Ryan has been lying about the number of times he's hiked Colorado's mountainsides.

With the economy and jobless rate in the nation in terrible shape, the first attack on this unimportant subject came from James Fallows of the Atlantic magazine with an article entitled “Paul Ryan, Mountaineer.”

It quoted an interview Ryan gave to Craig Gilbert of the Milwaukee Wisconsin Journal Sentinel on April 26, 2009, in which Gilbert quoted the Republican Congressman as stating that he'd made close to 40 climbs of Colorado's "Fourteeners" (14,000-foot peaks).”

Fallows then quoted a blog from the Supertopo in which an unidentified climber said that the “54 peaks are scattered throughout remote parts of Colorado, and you have to visit out-of-the-way little towns and valleys to tick the list, towns and valleys that you would never visit otherwise.”

I doubt Ryan had the time or dedication to fourteeners to take the required time out from his political career. Even if you did four a summer, that would be ten summers devoted to traveling to Colorado for the purpose of high altitude hiking. Even if you live here and can drive to the trail heads, forty is a huge commitment of time and energy.

Brendan Buck of the Romney Campaign was quick to respond to the article, releasing a statement hours later that the criticisms of Ryan's comments on mountain climbing have “some bad info in there” before stating that the Republican candidate has “been doing this for more than 20 years.”

Even though Buck's information was quickly added to Fallows' online article, it didn't take long for the accusation to reach other liberal outlets, including Progress Now Colorado which is demanding proof that Ryan actually climbed the mountains he said he did.

A press release the following day entitled "Did 'Lyin' Ryan' Really Climb Forty Colorado Fourteeners?" called for Ryan to “release photos, summit logs, and any other evidence he has to back up his claim that he climbed forty of our state's highest mountains -- or come clean with Colorado that he's lying about his 'peak bagger' record, too.”

The group timed the release so it was available while Ryan visited Colorado Springs during a campaign swing in the area.

As a result, the liberal organization received coverage from Fox 31 in Denver, which quipped that the Wisconsin Republican “is facing a mountain of criticism by his naysayers in Colorado.”

The growing controversy led Craig Gilbert, who did the original interview with Ryan, to try to set the record straight.

In a blog posting, the journalist stated that during the interview, “Ryan did not claim to have climbed close to 40 different “fourteeners,” as has been reported by some. (Colorado has more than fifty 14,000-foot peaks,)”

“He said he made close to 40 climbs (climbing some peaks more than once),” Gilbert added.

Warner Todd Huston of Breitbart.com stated he thought the Democrats were “making a mountain out of a molehill” by “garbling the truth” in their attacks on Ryan.

But also on Thursday, Farrows posted an article entitled “Finale on Ryan as Mountain Climber” in which he stated, “I don't know anything about mountain climbing,” and admitted, “Like, apparently, many other people, I drew the wrong inference from Paul Ryan's comment.”

Included in the “ton of mail” he'd received on the topic, one email writer stated:

I really wish you guys would stick to questioning Mr. Ryan's, Mr. Romney's and his opponents' stands on policy issues in the next four years...that is much more important to the voting public.

“Advice accepted,” Farrows wrote. “I am leaving the rest of this to the mountaineers.”

The saddest part of this controversy is that the media are so busy straining to find anything that will tarnish the Mitt Romney-Paul Ryan Republican ticket that they plow ahead regardless of the poor state of the economy.

I don't know if they can find anything as ridiculous as this to waste more precious campaign time, but I wouldn't be surprised by anything the media come up with between now and November 6."

you track all this stuff couchmaster?

I really wish you guys would stick to questioning Mr. Ryan's, Mr. Romney's and his opponents' stands on policy issues in the next four years...that is much more important to the voting public.

It did get seen by the Romney campaign: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/randy-hall/2012/09/11/media-accuse-ryan-lying-about-mountain-climbing[/quote] Let the wild accusations fly:-)


"Media Accuse Ryan of Lying About…Mountain Climbing?

By Randy Hall | September 11, 2012 | 15:57


During any presidential campaign, wild accusations fly back and forth between the GOP and the Democratic Party, but the liberal media hit a new low last Wednesday when they made the ridiculous assertion that Republican Vice Presidential nominee Paul Ryan has been lying about the number of times he's hiked Colorado's mountainsides.

With the economy and jobless rate in the nation in terrible shape, the first attack on this unimportant subject came from James Fallows of the Atlantic magazine with an article entitled “Paul Ryan, Mountaineer.”

It quoted an interview Ryan gave to Craig Gilbert of the Milwaukee Wisconsin Journal Sentinel on April 26, 2009, in which Gilbert quoted the Republican Congressman as stating that he'd made close to 40 climbs of Colorado's "Fourteeners" (14,000-foot peaks).”

Fallows then quoted a blog from the Supertopo in which an unidentified climber said that the “54 peaks are scattered throughout remote parts of Colorado, and you have to visit out-of-the-way little towns and valleys to tick the list, towns and valleys that you would never visit otherwise.”

I doubt Ryan had the time or dedication to fourteeners to take the required time out from his political career. Even if you did four a summer, that would be ten summers devoted to traveling to Colorado for the purpose of high altitude hiking. Even if you live here and can drive to the trail heads, forty is a huge commitment of time and energy.

Brendan Buck of the Romney Campaign was quick to respond to the article, releasing a statement hours later that the criticisms of Ryan's comments on mountain climbing have “some bad info in there” before stating that the Republican candidate has “been doing this for more than 20 years.”

Even though Buck's information was quickly added to Fallows' online article, it didn't take long for the accusation to reach other liberal outlets, including Progress Now Colorado which is demanding proof that Ryan actually climbed the mountains he said he did.

A press release the following day entitled "Did 'Lyin' Ryan' Really Climb Forty Colorado Fourteeners?" called for Ryan to “release photos, summit logs, and any other evidence he has to back up his claim that he climbed forty of our state's highest mountains -- or come clean with Colorado that he's lying about his 'peak bagger' record, too.”

The group timed the release so it was available while Ryan visited Colorado Springs during a campaign swing in the area.

As a result, the liberal organization received coverage from Fox 31 in Denver, which quipped that the Wisconsin Republican “is facing a mountain of criticism by his naysayers in Colorado.”

The growing controversy led Craig Gilbert, who did the original interview with Ryan, to try to set the record straight.

In a blog posting, the journalist stated that during the interview, “Ryan did not claim to have climbed close to 40 different “fourteeners,” as has been reported by some. (Colorado has more than fifty 14,000-foot peaks,)”

“He said he made close to 40 climbs (climbing some peaks more than once),” Gilbert added.

Warner Todd Huston of Breitbart.com stated he thought the Democrats were “making a mountain out of a molehill” by “garbling the truth” in their attacks on Ryan.

But also on Thursday, Farrows posted an article entitled “Finale on Ryan as Mountain Climber” in which he stated, “I don't know anything about mountain climbing,” and admitted, “Like, apparently, many other people, I drew the wrong inference from Paul Ryan's comment.”

Included in the “ton of mail” he'd received on the topic, one email writer stated:

I really wish you guys would stick to questioning Mr. Ryan's, Mr. Romney's and his opponents' stands on policy issues in the next four years...that is much more important to the voting public.

“Advice accepted,” Farrows wrote. “I am leaving the rest of this to the mountaineers.”

The saddest part of this controversy is that the media are so busy straining to find anything that will tarnish the Mitt Romney-Paul Ryan Republican ticket that they plow ahead regardless of the poor state of the economy.

I don't know if they can find anything as ridiculous as this to waste more precious campaign time, but I wouldn't be surprised by anything the media come up with between now and November 6."


Hmmmmm, substance or doe sit go to credibility? Are they both Mormon Kenyan Muslims?

If CMac got rid of the whole shebang of his own accord, fine, it's his web site.

Fallows then quoted a blog from the Supertopo in which an unidentified climber said that the “54 peaks are scattered throughout remote parts of Colorado, and you have to visit out-of-the-way little towns and valleys to tick the list, towns and valleys that you would never visit otherwise.”

I'd like to know what's going on as well. Censorship, especially if committed in the name of politics, is way wrong.

It's Chris' site. He can do what he likes.

Hmm, interesting. Unfortunately I'd imagine that most of these "we won't sue you if . . ." agreements also contain some sort of non-disclosure clause. I.e. you can't come out and say you took something down because they threatened to sue you, or they will sue you. We probably won't get much from CMac if that's the case. Unless it's after the election?

Main article: United States defamation law
The origins of US defamation law pre-date the American Revolution; one famous 1734 case involving John Peter Zenger sowed the seed for the later establishment of truth as an absolute defense against libel charges. The outcome of the case is one of jury nullification, and not a case where the defense acquitted itself as a matter of law. (Previous English defamation law had not provided the defense of truth.) Though the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution was designed to protect freedom of the press, for most of the history of the United States, the Supreme Court neglected to use it to rule on libel cases. This left libel laws, based upon the traditional common law of defamation inherited from the English legal system, mixed across the states. The 1964 case New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, however, dramatically altered the nature of libel law in the United States by elevating the fault element for public officials to actual malice—that is, . Later Supreme Court cases dismissed the claim for libel and forbade libel claims for statements that are so ridiculous to be clearly not true, or that involve opinionated subjects such as one's physical state of being. Recent cases have addressed defamation law and the internet.
Defamation law in the United States is much less plaintiff-friendly than its counterparts in European and the Commonwealth countries. In the United States, a comprehensive discussion of what is and is not libel or slander is difficult, because the definition differs between different states, and under federal law. Some states codify what constitutes slander and libel together into the same set of laws. Criminal libel is rare or nonexistent, depending on the state. Defenses to libel that can result in dismissal before trial include the statement being one of opinion rather than fact or being "fair comment and criticism". Truth is always a defense.

Isn't it only an assumption that something as suggested, took place???...

From Kalimon:

Seriously . . . from the first day of his being installed as Mittens running mate this guy proved himself to be full of sh#t. Whatever his connection with literature or music, be assured it is not authentic. Same with his 14er record . . . let's see the summit registers.

Probably a fabricated lie against Ryan and the source was threatened with libel legal action. Or worse.

But 4 dead Americans in Benghazi? Fast and Furious? 22 dead SEALS in Afghanistan?

I think somebody took him out of context and slandered him.

The point is Romney and Ryan both are notorious liars who want to run the country.

Why do you focus on these deaths? Aren't there a whole lot of others?

Romney/Ryan do not have a record of unfulfilled promises. Do they?

Not just a Democrat...but someone who actually served his own country, who gets swiftboated by the campaign of a college-cokehead, draft deferring chickenhawk?

THURSDAY, OCTOBER 25, 2012
Republican Thugs - Paul Ryan Style!
Cross Posted @ Cog Dis!

We all know what happens when you speak the truth about Paul Ryan (R- The Capitol):

YOU MUST BE PUNISHED!!!

We all know last weekend, Paul Ryan staged a photo op at a closed down homeless shelter, where he cleaned dirty dishes and took pictures like he cared. The director of the homeless shelter prop that rAYN used, was not happy!

He added: “The photo-op they did wasn’t even accurate. He did nothing. He just came in here to get his picture taken at the dining hall.”
“Had they asked for permission, it wouldn’t have been granted. … But I certainly wouldn’t have let him wash clean pans and then take a picture,” Antal said.

The Director was not interested in being anyone's political prop from any party and he let that be known. He had a job to do after all, feeding the homeless!

However, no one tells the truth about Paul Ryan and gets away with it!! The Soup kitchen in Ryan's, clean the clean dishe,s photo op is now facing a major backlash!!

Ryan may have suffered a few late-night jokes, but the fallout for the soup kitchen appears to be far more bruising. Brian J. Antal, president of the Mahoning County St. Vincent De Paul Society, confirmed that donors have begun an exodus in protest over Ryan's embarrassment. The monetary losses have been big. "It appears to be a substantial amount," Antal said. "You can rest assured there has been a substantial backlash."

Antal says he can't give an actual dollar amount. "I can't say how much [in] donations we lost," he said. "Donations are a private matter with our organization."

Antal's charity represents the kind of organization that conservative Republicans might champion. But that was before the Ryan incident went viral a few days ago. According to The Washington Post, Antal said that the moment should never have happened. He told the newspaper that the photo-op was not authorized and that the campaign had “ramrodded their way” inside.
OOPS! This is Paul Ryan's world, where he wants to go, he goes! So Mr. Antal(and the homeless people he serves) HAVE to be taught a lesson!! At least the republican's making the threats to the unpaid soup kitchen director and volunteers are remaining anonymous!

Ryan supporters have now targeted Antal and his soup kitchen, Antal said, including making hundreds of angry phone calls. Some members of Antal's volunteer staff have had to endure the barrage as well, he said. "The sad part is a lot of [the callers] want to hide behind anonymity," he said, adding that if someone leaves their name and number he has tried to return their call. In addition to phone calls, people have posted a few choice words on the charity's Facebook wall, including statements like "I hope you lose your tax [sic] emempt status," Anyone who is thinking about donations to you should think twice" and "Shame on you Brian Antal!"

On the phone with HuffPost, Antal seemed worn out by all the vitriol. "Honesty, I really don't need any more attention," he said. "I really just want this to go away."

Antal said doesn't understand why donors would take out their frustration over the incident on those who can't afford to pay for their own meals. "I'm a volunteer,' he said. "I receive zero compensation. Withholding donations is only going to hurt the over 100,000 we serve annually."

Sorry Mr. Antal, that is where you have it wrong! The Paul Ryan Goon squad has no interest in what happens to the 100,000 meals you serve or the people who so desperately need them at all. They want to send a message to anyone else in the future.

NEVER TALK BAD ABOUT PAUL RYAN!!!


Lesson learned! So what if a few thousand people are going hungry because of it!!

Needless to say, it wouldn't let me post...

This makes the forum smell of dead fish and CMac look bad around the world.

Ooooh CockEye you stopped ass raping yourself with an oversized oosik long enough to crawl out from behind the woodwork and spew santorum again. You are a cowardly anonymous trollboi. Your parents must be so proud.

Ooooh CockEye you stopped ass raping yourself with an oversized oosik long enough to crawl out from behind the woodwork and spew santorum again. You are a cowardly anonymous trollboi. Your parents must be so proud.

A story like the disappearance of this thread might seem petty and unworthy of much concern to many, but if his claims of mountain mastery were proven to be imaginary, I believe it could ruin his career, or certainly his chances for the presidency. It would be a story he could never live down.

The kind of corruption, lust for power and money that is at play here might make the disappearance of such a credible discussion as the one on ST a high priority.

Chris' silence on the matter does raise suspicions about his involvement in, or at least knowledge of what happened. Seems he could offer some kind of explanation.

Rick was really onto something, I think. It would seem somebody would have the skills to trace what happened, and who made it happen. The answers to those questions might be far more intriguing than the original thread was.

"Have you ever noticed that people, especially those with with power and influence, sometimes withhold information or even lie to protect their agenda, best interests, and/or bottom line? "

I kind of miss Paul Ryan. Did he pass away?

I kind of miss Paul Ryan. Did he pass away?

Fukking lyin' Ryan Speaker of the house... more like Undead