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Rick A

climber
Boulder, Colorado
Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 2, 2012 - 06:28pm PT
I couldn't find it and the links to the various, and international, news articles quoting it no longer work.

Say it ain't so, Chris.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQveng3Wxz8
gf

climber
Nov 2, 2012 - 06:32pm PT
RA,
For what its' worth your careful work on this topic made for interesting albeit disturbing reading and IMHO needs to be part of the broad historical record on Mr Ryan-it is relevant to the climbing culture and says a lot about our collective expectations of character.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Nov 2, 2012 - 06:35pm PT
Who was its author?
goatboy smellz

climber
Nederland-GulfBreeze
Nov 2, 2012 - 06:54pm PT
They have better lawyers than Cmac.
C'mon Rick you know how that game works.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Nov 2, 2012 - 06:57pm PT
Interesting that a thread cited by news sources has disappeared.

Chouinard tossed his company to the winds when it got f*#ked over by the USA.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 2, 2012 - 07:00pm PT
I noticed it was gone quite some time ago. I couldn't remember who started it, but thought the he/she did it. However, all traces seem to be gone.

There are other comments about Ryan in other threads that are certainly not flattering, but they are still intact.


EDIT:

I believe it is true that when the author deletes the post the original is deleted, but the comments by others, or at least some subset of them remain. In this case everything appears to be gone.



Rick A

climber
Boulder, Colorado
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 2, 2012 - 07:16pm PT
I am guessing it was probably the thread author who did it. I forget who that was.

Wonder if Chris can put it back somehow because it was a unique climbing/political topic. The First Amendment protects the site from any possible liability arising from comments about politicians, so it wasn't that.

I have the material that formed the posts and maybe I'll repost them.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Nov 2, 2012 - 07:23pm PT
The person who started the thread can delete the first post, but the remainder of the thread is still there, just harder to find. A sort of ghost thread. Normally when that happens, one can search for key words, e.g. "Colorado fourteeners" to find the subsequent posts, and then see the thread, without header and first post. Not in this case - searching for the obvious key words doesn't reveal anything.

The other possibility is that whoever put in the first post has been not only banned, but had all his/her posts deleted - I think that may also delete any threads she/he started.

Perhaps stale non-climbing threads now get completely deleted?
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Nov 2, 2012 - 07:24pm PT
What I heard was that Paul Ryan spent a week in Colorado last month and ticked all the remaining 14ers on his list. So now that he has climbed all of them, there was no longer any need to argue about the first forty.

After the election, he's going to take a week off to tick the Seven Summits before rolling up his sleeves and going back to work. At whatever job he holds after the election.
Zander

climber
Nov 2, 2012 - 07:25pm PT
Rick,
This was nuked from above it seems because you can usually search on your own posts even if the original poster deletes the thread.

Must have been a hell of a thread to get nuked from above.
Z
QITNL

climber
Nov 2, 2012 - 07:26pm PT
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1905949/Paul-Ryan-has-Climbed-40-of-Colorados-14ers

spooky!
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Nov 2, 2012 - 07:29pm PT
Deleting your own threads is lame.








In other related newz: Paul Ryan climbs?
Farouk

Boulder climber
Sylvan Grove
Nov 2, 2012 - 07:31pm PT
it is gone from the Google Cache too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Chris does PX90 with Ryan so maybe it was a favor?????????????????????????????
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Nov 2, 2012 - 07:31pm PT
What's really weird is that not even google has any of it.

I know that things can be permanently deleted from this (or any) website, but how do you convince google that it was never there?
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 2, 2012 - 07:31pm PT
The ST Forum database has been hacked. Everybody should immediately stop including their social security and credit card numbers in posts, until this can be cleared up.

Interesting that The Daily Kos site which referenced the ST thread is not currently accessible.

Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to www.dailykos.com



http://www.dailykos.com/


Daily Kos: Paul Ryan, Al Bundy, and why sports don't build character ...
http://www.dailykos.com/.../-Paul-Ryan-Al-Bundy-and-why-sports-don-t-b...


Does Rmoney have enough rmoney to hire the Stuxnet team?


Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Nov 2, 2012 - 07:35pm PT
I've deleted threads when they turned into petty pissing matches, and been bitched at for doing so.

Now, when I have an idea for a thought provoking thread I refrain because I hate having my name attached to such lowbrow shitslinging.

Who was the author of the thread? If that can be answered, then things may be solved more easily.
froodish

Social climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 2, 2012 - 07:39pm PT
What's really weird is that not even google has any of it.

I know that things can be permanently deleted from this (or any) website, but how do you convince google that it was never there?

Google's webmaster tools allow the removal of pages from their index:

http://support.google.com/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=1663416
QITNL

climber
Nov 2, 2012 - 07:40pm PT
Archive.org hasn't crawled the site since 7/26/2011.

I'm appalled by this destruction of invaluable intellectual property!

Be right back, there's a black helicopter outside my window.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Nov 2, 2012 - 07:42pm PT
Damnit people, who authored the thread?

That's the first step.
froodish

Social climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 2, 2012 - 07:45pm PT
Brandon,

This seems to be different than when the first poster deletes his post. Usually, the other posts are still accessible - not the case here.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Nov 2, 2012 - 07:45pm PT
Looking at it another way, what is it that Rick was all afire to add to the thread, anyway? He did a fine job of chopping Ryan's claims into little bits already.
Gene

climber
Nov 2, 2012 - 07:47pm PT
Seems like a very deep scraping of the thread. Why the effort to remove all traces? Silly.

EDIT: MH,
Rick did a great job on that thread. I can understand why he'd want it available.

g
johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Nov 2, 2012 - 07:51pm PT
'Bump' this up on the front page till there are answers.
Dave Kos

Trad climber
Temecula
Nov 2, 2012 - 07:53pm PT
I believe that the original author had the handle "yosemite 5.9" or something similar.
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Nov 2, 2012 - 07:55pm PT
Seems like a very deep scraping of the thread. Why the effort to remove all traces? Silly.

Silly? I don't think so. There has to be something more than just silliness involved if all content of the thread was wiped not just from ST, but from Google (and from Bing and Yahoo as well -- I checked those sites, too). WTF?

Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Nov 2, 2012 - 08:04pm PT
Can't have the potential Vice prez ( haha ya right) embarrassed now can we???
Timid TopRope

Social climber
'used to be Paradise, CA
Nov 2, 2012 - 08:06pm PT
I wonder how deep reputation.org can scrape?
Gene

climber
Nov 2, 2012 - 08:06pm PT
Can't have the potential Vice prez ( haha ya right) embarrassed now can we???


Not when he's already made such a fine job of it by himself.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Nov 2, 2012 - 08:06pm PT
It'd be great if Rick re-posted the pith of his arguments, perhaps here so it isn't drowned in another politard thread.
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Nov 2, 2012 - 08:07pm PT
It was Yosemite 5.9's thread
He must of deleted it after it went the wrong way
He was Pro-Ryan

Could he be a paid Republican plant?
He does alot of trolling

Yosemite 5.9
climber
He has never posted to a climbing thread, or any photos of climbing
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 2, 2012 - 08:09pm PT
Well he's still here i.e. yosemite 5.9

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1641723&msg=1972076#msg1972076



It is more sinister than Y 5.9 deleting his post.

Interesting that the Daily Kos site is still inaccessible after 45 minutes.

Gene

climber
Nov 2, 2012 - 08:20pm PT
I doubt Y5.9 is a plant. He's been here forever. Based on the depth of the scraping, it's gotta be something else. But why? The cows left the Ryan barn long ago.

g

EDIT: I was thinking of another Y5.9. The current incarnation has been here about one year.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 2, 2012 - 08:27pm PT
Now it is getting skary - digital chemtrails!
froodish

Social climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 2, 2012 - 08:28pm PT
Silly? I don't think so. There has to be something more than just silliness involved if all content of the thread was wiped not just from ST, but from Google (and from Bing and Yahoo as well -- I checked those sites, too). WTF?

Ghost, all the (major at least) search engines allow site owners to control what is indexed and cached.
QITNL

climber
Nov 2, 2012 - 08:31pm PT
Yosemite 5.9 is this "chad h." dude - by his own admission.

http://www.yelp.com/user_details?userid=M6t94WP__Rw6muLBQKexJA

Another pot-smokin' Santa Cruz Republican - I was warned about them.

Yosemite 5.9 where are you? Yo, Chad, don't keep us hanging!
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Nov 2, 2012 - 08:34pm PT
Well that is seriously f*#ked.
Paul Ryan is a lying piece of sh#t and we proved it!
It was even picked up and quoted by the National News

Edit - perhaps this 5.9 guy asked for a favor.
RJ was just nice enough and, not knowing this 5.9 doucher was a republican hack, deleted the entire thread at 5.9s request.
bergbryce

Mountain climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Nov 2, 2012 - 08:42pm PT

Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Nov 2, 2012 - 08:48pm PT
The truth hurts . . . liars like mittens and cryin' ryan cannot stand the light of day.
apinguat

Trad climber
kingfield, me
Nov 2, 2012 - 08:54pm PT
It's too bad the thread got deleted. this place made NBC, it's the taco's 15 minutes of fame.


Meanwhile, on the Supertopo.com message board …

40 14′ers is serious lifestyle climbing and a lot of hiking. This guy is pathological. — Riley Wina."

Riley is right. To have climbed forty and not be a resident means that you would have had to devote entire summers to climbing fourteeners. — Rick A.


http://offthebench.nbcsports.com/2012/09/06/here-we-go-again-paul-ryan-caught-in-mountain-climbing-fib/
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Nov 2, 2012 - 08:55pm PT
You all have short term memories, I think.

It wasn't Yosemite 5.9, his vitriol came later, I think.

To the best of my recollection, the OP was a condemnation of Ryan's lies.

Why would the Yosemite 5.9 troll start a thread countering Ryan's claims?

Someone must remember who authored the thread.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Nov 2, 2012 - 08:57pm PT
How about recreating it on an independent website, permanent record
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 2, 2012 - 08:59pm PT
How Orwellian! Rancid karma for whoever the revisionist responsible is!
Gene

climber
Nov 2, 2012 - 09:00pm PT
Jaybro,

Avoid alliteration. Always.

Nice post!

g
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 2, 2012 - 09:00pm PT
Lance Armstrong thread is going next.

Then the birthday threads.

Watch out Dr. F the biggest fishies in the pool are your two threads. Start cuttin' and a pastin' for posterity's sake.
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Nov 2, 2012 - 09:01pm PT
Yosemite 5.9 posted the thread because he thought it is was cool that Paul Ryan was a climber!

He was trying to get us to like lying Ryan
That's why I think he may be a plant

It was like a advertisement for Paul Ryan
didn't anyone read the OP?

I may be wrong, but I have an extra good memory

my threads aren't worth saving
But I won't delete them


Anyone can delete their own thread
You go to the first post, which will always give you the option to edit (but you can't edit the topic title) and click on delete post
Gone
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Nov 2, 2012 - 09:03pm PT
My recollection of minutiae and trivia is wicked good and I'm fairly sure it wasn't the troll in question.

I've been wrong before though.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 2, 2012 - 09:03pm PT
^Dr. F Then you will remember that however rancid, rancorous, revisionist ...

he was/is,

he still cannot delete an entire thread

this is a sad case of rampant recursive Romnesia run-amok

Farouk

Boulder climber
Sylvan Grove
Nov 2, 2012 - 09:03pm PT
Look at all the Libs scurry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The government you all want did this and now look at you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Nov 2, 2012 - 09:04pm PT
I've deleted an entire thread that was over 1000 posts.

zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 2, 2012 - 09:05pm PT
^ah the notorious 1000 post toasties - how did you do it?

Take as a recent example, eKat's protein powder thread. It kind of bottomed out and it appears that she deleted the OP. However, the 37 comments are still with us to this day.

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1955560&tn=0
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Nov 2, 2012 - 09:07pm PT
I regret it now, but I did make it happen.

Try to find the original Occupy Wall Street thread.

If its archived somewhere, I stand corrected.

Otherwise, I fully nuked it.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 2, 2012 - 09:11pm PT
That one apparently got reposted by Karl Baba, but I'll ask again how were you able to nuke the whole thread?


http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1955560&msg=1955792#msg1955792
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Nov 2, 2012 - 09:14pm PT
Karl chewed me out for deleting it, I felt shame.

Seriously, try to find my original thread, if you can find that, but not the Paul Ryan thread, then something's fishy.

Edit; I clicked 'delete post' when I edited my OP. Poof. It was gone.
froodish

Social climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 2, 2012 - 09:16pm PT
And the original OWS thread is still there, sans the first post, unlike the Ryan 14ers thread:

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1625101
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Nov 2, 2012 - 09:24pm PT
darnit!! froodish beat me to it!!

its gone from up high.. and for them to scrub all the search engines too is really wierd.. last thread i seen like this was seth's werner troll thread, and even that one stuck around the search engine cache's for awhile.. someone wanted it gone... someone big.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Nov 2, 2012 - 09:25pm PT
Something's fishy, then.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 2, 2012 - 09:29pm PT
this is an interesting little puzzle here

original OWS thread post number 286


Oct 4, 2011 - 11:35am PT
Right on Brandon, agree with the Cap'n... nuke it. Its good for the monkeys.

DMT
hossjulia

Social climber
Eastside (of the Tetons)
Nov 2, 2012 - 09:31pm PT
A simple Google search "Paul Ryan climbing" came up with this;
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/09/paul-ryan-has-made-close-to-40-climbs-not-climbed-close-to-40-peaks/262017/

An excerpt;
Hey James - caught your entertaining piece. Unfortunately, you've got some bad info in there. We're not sure where this started, but he's not said 40 different peaks, its nearly 40 climbs - with a number of peaks climbed more than once. He's been doing them for more than 20 years. The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel article from '09 doesn't say 40 separate summits, but instead "He is fairly careful about what he eats, performs an intense cross-training routine known as P90X most mornings, and has made close to 40 climbs of Colorado's "Fourteeners" (14,000-foot peaks)."

Still doesn't answer why the entire thread and all traces of it is gone.

Rick, I think you're on to something with the 1st amendment angle.
If this was done in response to some sort of threat from the Romney/Ryan camp, then GOD DAMN IT! That ain't right.


(I did not even know WhoTF Ryan WAS when I first saw that thread. Never opened it.)


edited to add;

If CMac got rid of the whole shebang of his own accord, fine, it's his web site.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 2, 2012 - 09:33pm PT
Pesky, pussillminous, putrid, pathetic, pencil necked, pecker petters, perhaps?

 inspired by Gene
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Nov 2, 2012 - 09:34pm PT
Romney/Ryan had it nuked from the top!!

That thread was just too incriminating to Ryan to be allowed to stay on the Internet

That would be the Conspiracy angle,
which I may or may not agree with
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Nov 2, 2012 - 09:35pm PT
ZBrown,
No puzzle, I'ts been a while since I started the thread. I mistakenly said 1000 posts. It was less. Karl's follow up thread was huge and I followed it. I was mistaken.
Gene

climber
Nov 2, 2012 - 09:58pm PT
Jaybro,

Right! Rick’s research of Ryan’s reported Rockies romps really reveals Republican reality aversion.

g
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Nov 2, 2012 - 09:58pm PT
Hmmm....

I've looked up plenty of deleted threads - they are always there minus the first post.

It was either deleted as a favor...RJ will delete posts if asked - he is a very nice guy.

Or it was deleted by admin because of pressure - very bad

Or it was hacked by republicans and deleted - which is orwellian in it ridiculousness.

I hope Lying Ryan himself read it - the glorious climbing world quite literally shoved it up his ass.
Mr. Ryan, we know climbers, we are climbers, and you sir, are no climber!
hossjulia

Social climber
Eastside (of the Tetons)
Nov 2, 2012 - 10:16pm PT
No he's not, he's a hiker or peak bagger at best.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Nov 2, 2012 - 10:22pm PT
Lousy Louses Losin 'Lectorate Levels Leeching Laypeoples 'Lectric Lecterns.
tom woods

Gym climber
Bishop, CA
Nov 2, 2012 - 10:33pm PT
This is really interesting. Not that anyone will care if Romney loses, but if he wins, checking registers might make a fun bit of news reporting.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Nov 2, 2012 - 10:53pm PT
People on Supertopo who delete threads.

Yosemite 5.9 - Paul Ryan claims to have climbed X 14,000 foot high Colo. peaks. (speculation, not confirmed as it may have been the CIA that deleted it)

Jody - Obama thread.

Coz -Deleted his “BD Countdown Clock” where he called out Peter metcalf. - this is the 2nd one, had it been his first he would get the “not being a pussy” pass. We are passing on the pass now due to multiple instances.

Brandon - Why Occupiers are as#@&%es thread.

Philo - Deleted the “I’ll never post on Supertopo again cause Russ is a meany. “

Cragman - Dean, deleted the "Another dictator dead....Muammar Qaddafi" thread

Norton deleted some thread.

Seth Jackson = deleted his Wings of Steel money raiser thread.

Bluering = deleted his "Haters" thread.

Dr F. - deleted his first "Why are those Republicans so wrong on everything" thread.

t*r = bunch of them, too many to list.

Pud = Occupy protesters need to move on thread

Crazy Horse - Southern yosemite thread

Part-time communist -any hot guys around here? thread

Footloose = Mystery What's going on here?

Ron Gomez - Dave Yerian thread

Squishy -Aid gear sale, D5 hammer (for too much money) sale

iannonymous = EE questions, Expert replies appreciated.









Deleted with good reason:

Oli - Gets a pass as he thought that his copy-writes were being given up by posting.

Nutjob - request for divorce help thread and the thank you for that help thread. It was a personal request for help and he was upfront and said he would delete it once he had the info and he did.

Coz - MTUCKER IS KIETH LOBER

james Colborn - Cascade falls Accident Sat. Jan 14 (only after one reply, gets a pass for both reasons)


Johntp -Deleted the Fullerton police killed a transient thread “because it went too far off topic and went sutpid. “





It's lame.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Nov 2, 2012 - 10:59pm PT
Romney rips Ryan's rim, raving, retarded Ryan roared ridiculous routes, regrets, retracted, race ruptured, RIP
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 2, 2012 - 11:00pm PT
G - rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

Hey Brandon, I think sorting out what was in the original and comparing it with what is in the reposted version would be an interesting side puzzle (and
my memory isn't what it used to be either).

The puzzle I alluded to is what happened on ST and in other places on the internet regarding the Ryan thread.

motherf*#kin maladjusted misguided maladapted misogynous malicious mutant miscreants






jstan

climber
Nov 2, 2012 - 11:04pm PT
Rick:
You need to delete this thread. It is in violation of national scurrility law.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 2, 2012 - 11:08pm PT
+1 jstan - the infamous NSL.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 2, 2012 - 11:11pm PT
you track all this stuff couchmaster?

Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Nov 2, 2012 - 11:21pm PT
^^^^
Dr. F, good call, how can you remember things so well!!
I take my ginkgo.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 2, 2012 - 11:23pm PT
Looks like monolith noticed the mssing thread on Aug. 18, 2012

SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Nov 2, 2012 - 11:23pm PT

Maybe I'll delete myself. . .
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Nov 2, 2012 - 11:30pm PT
It did get seen by the Romney campaign: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/randy-hall/2012/09/11/media-accuse-ryan-lying-about-mountain-climbing[/quote] Let the wild accusations fly:-)

"Media Accuse Ryan of Lying About…Mountain Climbing?

By Randy Hall | September 11, 2012 | 15:57


During any presidential campaign, wild accusations fly back and forth between the GOP and the Democratic Party, but the liberal media hit a new low last Wednesday when they made the ridiculous assertion that Republican Vice Presidential nominee Paul Ryan has been lying about the number of times he's hiked Colorado's mountainsides.

With the economy and jobless rate in the nation in terrible shape, the first attack on this unimportant subject came from James Fallows of the Atlantic magazine with an article entitled “Paul Ryan, Mountaineer.”

It quoted an interview Ryan gave to Craig Gilbert of the Milwaukee Wisconsin Journal Sentinel on April 26, 2009, in which Gilbert quoted the Republican Congressman as stating that he'd made close to 40 climbs of Colorado's "Fourteeners" (14,000-foot peaks).”

Fallows then quoted a blog from the Supertopo in which an unidentified climber said that the “54 peaks are scattered throughout remote parts of Colorado, and you have to visit out-of-the-way little towns and valleys to tick the list, towns and valleys that you would never visit otherwise.”

I doubt Ryan had the time or dedication to fourteeners to take the required time out from his political career. Even if you did four a summer, that would be ten summers devoted to traveling to Colorado for the purpose of high altitude hiking. Even if you live here and can drive to the trail heads, forty is a huge commitment of time and energy.

Brendan Buck of the Romney Campaign was quick to respond to the article, releasing a statement hours later that the criticisms of Ryan's comments on mountain climbing have “some bad info in there” before stating that the Republican candidate has “been doing this for more than 20 years.”

Even though Buck's information was quickly added to Fallows' online article, it didn't take long for the accusation to reach other liberal outlets, including Progress Now Colorado which is demanding proof that Ryan actually climbed the mountains he said he did.

A press release the following day entitled "Did 'Lyin' Ryan' Really Climb Forty Colorado Fourteeners?" called for Ryan to “release photos, summit logs, and any other evidence he has to back up his claim that he climbed forty of our state's highest mountains -- or come clean with Colorado that he's lying about his 'peak bagger' record, too.”

The group timed the release so it was available while Ryan visited Colorado Springs during a campaign swing in the area.

As a result, the liberal organization received coverage from Fox 31 in Denver, which quipped that the Wisconsin Republican “is facing a mountain of criticism by his naysayers in Colorado.”

The growing controversy led Craig Gilbert, who did the original interview with Ryan, to try to set the record straight.

In a blog posting, the journalist stated that during the interview, “Ryan did not claim to have climbed close to 40 different “fourteeners,” as has been reported by some. (Colorado has more than fifty 14,000-foot peaks,)”

“He said he made close to 40 climbs (climbing some peaks more than once),” Gilbert added.

Warner Todd Huston of Breitbart.com stated he thought the Democrats were “making a mountain out of a molehill” by “garbling the truth” in their attacks on Ryan.

But also on Thursday, Farrows posted an article entitled “Finale on Ryan as Mountain Climber” in which he stated, “I don't know anything about mountain climbing,” and admitted, “Like, apparently, many other people, I drew the wrong inference from Paul Ryan's comment.”

Included in the “ton of mail” he'd received on the topic, one email writer stated:

I really wish you guys would stick to questioning Mr. Ryan's, Mr. Romney's and his opponents' stands on policy issues in the next four years...that is much more important to the voting public.

“Advice accepted,” Farrows wrote. “I am leaving the rest of this to the mountaineers.”

The saddest part of this controversy is that the media are so busy straining to find anything that will tarnish the Mitt Romney-Paul Ryan Republican ticket that they plow ahead regardless of the poor state of the economy.

I don't know if they can find anything as ridiculous as this to waste more precious campaign time, but I wouldn't be surprised by anything the media come up with between now and November 6."

Hmmmmm, substance or does it go to credibility?
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Nov 3, 2012 - 12:04am PT
you track all this stuff couchmaster?



somebody has to do it...

goatsez go outside
goatsez go outside
Credit: Fatfraud
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 3, 2012 - 12:15am PT
I really wish you guys would stick to questioning Mr. Ryan's, Mr. Romney's and his opponents' stands on policy issues in the next four years...that is much more important to the voting public.

Why would you ask somebody a question in good faith when you know that he's going to lie in the answer?

Whether someone is credible is at least as important as getting an answer - no?
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Nov 3, 2012 - 12:17am PT
Couchmaster! Re your comments and your attached quotes about Paul Ryan's Colorado Climbing claims.

I must share them again!

All I can think about both, is WOW! What really-good Anti-depressants are you folks on?

It did get seen by the Romney campaign: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/randy-hall/2012/09/11/media-accuse-ryan-lying-about-mountain-climbing[/quote] Let the wild accusations fly:-)


"Media Accuse Ryan of Lying About…Mountain Climbing?

By Randy Hall | September 11, 2012 | 15:57


During any presidential campaign, wild accusations fly back and forth between the GOP and the Democratic Party, but the liberal media hit a new low last Wednesday when they made the ridiculous assertion that Republican Vice Presidential nominee Paul Ryan has been lying about the number of times he's hiked Colorado's mountainsides.

With the economy and jobless rate in the nation in terrible shape, the first attack on this unimportant subject came from James Fallows of the Atlantic magazine with an article entitled “Paul Ryan, Mountaineer.”

It quoted an interview Ryan gave to Craig Gilbert of the Milwaukee Wisconsin Journal Sentinel on April 26, 2009, in which Gilbert quoted the Republican Congressman as stating that he'd made close to 40 climbs of Colorado's "Fourteeners" (14,000-foot peaks).”

Fallows then quoted a blog from the Supertopo in which an unidentified climber said that the “54 peaks are scattered throughout remote parts of Colorado, and you have to visit out-of-the-way little towns and valleys to tick the list, towns and valleys that you would never visit otherwise.”

I doubt Ryan had the time or dedication to fourteeners to take the required time out from his political career. Even if you did four a summer, that would be ten summers devoted to traveling to Colorado for the purpose of high altitude hiking. Even if you live here and can drive to the trail heads, forty is a huge commitment of time and energy.

Brendan Buck of the Romney Campaign was quick to respond to the article, releasing a statement hours later that the criticisms of Ryan's comments on mountain climbing have “some bad info in there” before stating that the Republican candidate has “been doing this for more than 20 years.”

Even though Buck's information was quickly added to Fallows' online article, it didn't take long for the accusation to reach other liberal outlets, including Progress Now Colorado which is demanding proof that Ryan actually climbed the mountains he said he did.

A press release the following day entitled "Did 'Lyin' Ryan' Really Climb Forty Colorado Fourteeners?" called for Ryan to “release photos, summit logs, and any other evidence he has to back up his claim that he climbed forty of our state's highest mountains -- or come clean with Colorado that he's lying about his 'peak bagger' record, too.”

The group timed the release so it was available while Ryan visited Colorado Springs during a campaign swing in the area.

As a result, the liberal organization received coverage from Fox 31 in Denver, which quipped that the Wisconsin Republican “is facing a mountain of criticism by his naysayers in Colorado.”

The growing controversy led Craig Gilbert, who did the original interview with Ryan, to try to set the record straight.

In a blog posting, the journalist stated that during the interview, “Ryan did not claim to have climbed close to 40 different “fourteeners,” as has been reported by some. (Colorado has more than fifty 14,000-foot peaks,)”

“He said he made close to 40 climbs (climbing some peaks more than once),” Gilbert added.

Warner Todd Huston of Breitbart.com stated he thought the Democrats were “making a mountain out of a molehill” by “garbling the truth” in their attacks on Ryan.

But also on Thursday, Farrows posted an article entitled “Finale on Ryan as Mountain Climber” in which he stated, “I don't know anything about mountain climbing,” and admitted, “Like, apparently, many other people, I drew the wrong inference from Paul Ryan's comment.”

Included in the “ton of mail” he'd received on the topic, one email writer stated:

I really wish you guys would stick to questioning Mr. Ryan's, Mr. Romney's and his opponents' stands on policy issues in the next four years...that is much more important to the voting public.

“Advice accepted,” Farrows wrote. “I am leaving the rest of this to the mountaineers.”

The saddest part of this controversy is that the media are so busy straining to find anything that will tarnish the Mitt Romney-Paul Ryan Republican ticket that they plow ahead regardless of the poor state of the economy.

I don't know if they can find anything as ridiculous as this to waste more precious campaign time, but I wouldn't be surprised by anything the media come up with between now and November 6."


Hmmmmm, substance or doe sit go to credibility? Are they both Mormon Kenyan Muslims?
Rick A

climber
Boulder, Colorado
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 3, 2012 - 12:55am PT
This is inexplicable really, but I don't buy the conspiracy theories. I'll start a new thread tomorrow using the content from my posts on the deleted thread.If it gets deleted, you'll know it wasn't me that did it.

Wait a minute. Someone at the front door...and the back door. They are coming for me!! Save yourselves before it's too la
QITNL

climber
Nov 3, 2012 - 01:32am PT
Oh yeah, I had a chat with my buds in the black Huey, they said everything is cool.



Oh wait, what were we talking about?
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Nov 3, 2012 - 02:10am PT
Something's fishy, then.

An unidentified source at the Fish compound denies any involvement.
QITNL

climber
Nov 3, 2012 - 02:14am PT
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philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Nov 3, 2012 - 10:47am PT
If CMac got rid of the whole shebang of his own accord, fine, it's his web site.

I call it a steaming pile of BS.
Sure it is CMacs site but the content belongs to all of US.
He benifits directly from all of US and our "hits" on his site.
I believe we are owed an explanation.

Come on CMac what's up? Did you pull the plug under pressure or has your site been hacked from outside?

I think we should keep this bumped to the top till we hear the story.
If that doesn't work then I suggest this thread get cloned more than 20 times to flood the forum til answers are made available.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Nov 3, 2012 - 11:05am PT
My guess is CMAC was threatened with a lawsuit by the Romney campaign. I'm sure he could have won if it had gone to court but like most such types of lawsuits it's the threat that works because going to court costs money even if you win.

Infact I would be surprised if he wasn't threatened. These campaigns have hundreds of lawyers at their disposal.

Understand this

Our posts were a legitimate concern to the campaign of a guy who may become president

Be proud of that.
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Nov 3, 2012 - 11:08am PT
Maybe someone should send Yosemite 5.9 a PM, and ask him some questions
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Nov 3, 2012 - 11:09am PT
It clearly had nothing to do with the OP. ALL posts are gone.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Nov 3, 2012 - 11:10am PT
CMAC, WTF?
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Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Nov 3, 2012 - 11:18am PT
You can ask him questions, did he do it?
was he asked to do it?

are you a real climber?
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Nov 3, 2012 - 11:58am PT
CMAC, WTF?
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zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 3, 2012 - 01:04pm PT
The Daily Kos site is now back, but the Ryan ST reference page is gone.
http://www.dailykos.com/

Daily Kos: Paul Ryan, Al Bundy, and why sports don't build character ...
http://www.dailykos.com/.../-Paul-Ryan-Al-Bundy-and-why-sports-don-t-b...

If someone actually pressured cMac then did they pressure everybody else too?

This one is still up, but the link is broken.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/randy-hall/2012/09/11/media-accuse-ryan-lying-about-mountain-climbing


Fallows then quoted a blog from the Supertopo in which an unidentified climber said that the “54 peaks are scattered throughout remote parts of Colorado, and you have to visit out-of-the-way little towns and valleys to tick the list, towns and valleys that you would never visit otherwise.”



Many rivers to cross here.

Sparky

Trad climber
vagabond movin on
Nov 3, 2012 - 01:09pm PT
I would really like CMac to respond to this.
ncrockclimber

climber
The Desert Oven
Nov 3, 2012 - 01:33pm PT
I would also really like a response from Cmac on this. What happened?
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
Nov 3, 2012 - 01:55pm PT
Seems like a legitimate question, Chris.

If for no other reason than to understand the way things work.

Where/why did the thread go?
murcy

Gym climber
sanfrancisco
Nov 3, 2012 - 02:19pm PT
bump
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Nov 3, 2012 - 02:26pm PT
I'd like to know what's going on as well. Censorship, especially if committed in the name of politics, is way wrong.

Chris, if you read this, and you or RJ pulled the plug, but have signed a NDA, leak it.

canyoncat

Social climber
SoCal
Nov 3, 2012 - 03:08pm PT
When did CMac hire Rose Mary Woods?
froodish

Social climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 3, 2012 - 03:16pm PT
I'd like to know what's going on as well. Censorship, especially if committed in the name of politics, is way wrong.

It's Chris' site. He can do what he likes. See #3 under the terms of service (that is clearly linked on the new post screen):

http://www.supertopo.com/termsofservice.pdf

OlympicMtnBoy

climber
Seattle
Nov 3, 2012 - 03:34pm PT
Hmm, interesting. Unfortunately I'd imagine that most of these "we won't sue you if . . ." agreements also contain some sort of non-disclosure clause. I.e. you can't come out and say you took something down because they threatened to sue you, or they will sue you. We probably won't get much from CMac if that's the case. Unless it's after the election?

Just thoughts in the vacuum. :-)
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Nov 3, 2012 - 03:38pm PT
It's Chris' site. He can do what he likes.

No one is saying it is not his site, or that he can't do what he likes with it.

What is being asked, and I think it's a legitimate question that deserves an answer, is: "Why was the thread permanently deleted from Supertopo, and why were all traces of it removed from the search engines?"
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Nov 3, 2012 - 03:47pm PT
You can say that you can't say if you took the thread down and that you can't give any reason for taking it down if you took it down.

Everybody will understand.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Nov 3, 2012 - 03:50pm PT
He can do what he likes but that does not make it right.
locker

Social climber
Nov 3, 2012 - 03:52pm PT


"Why was the thread permanently deleted from Supertopo, and why were all traces of it removed from the search engines?"...

Somebody LIKES Paul LYIN Ryan...

ncrockclimber

climber
The Desert Oven
Nov 3, 2012 - 04:02pm PT
Hmm, interesting. Unfortunately I'd imagine that most of these "we won't sue you if . . ." agreements also contain some sort of non-disclosure clause. I.e. you can't come out and say you took something down because they threatened to sue you, or they will sue you. We probably won't get much from CMac if that's the case. Unless it's after the election?

If that is what is going on, I think a post from Cmac stating that he is not at liberty to discuss this would speak volumes.
squishy

Mountain climber
Nov 3, 2012 - 04:16pm PT
Hey chris, you could have fought it easily what kind of proof did they have?

Main article: United States defamation law
The origins of US defamation law pre-date the American Revolution; one famous 1734 case involving John Peter Zenger sowed the seed for the later establishment of truth as an absolute defense against libel charges. The outcome of the case is one of jury nullification, and not a case where the defense acquitted itself as a matter of law. (Previous English defamation law had not provided the defense of truth.) Though the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution was designed to protect freedom of the press, for most of the history of the United States, the Supreme Court neglected to use it to rule on libel cases. This left libel laws, based upon the traditional common law of defamation inherited from the English legal system, mixed across the states. The 1964 case New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, however, dramatically altered the nature of libel law in the United States by elevating the fault element for public officials to actual malice—that is,
public figures could win a libel suit only if they could demonstrate the publisher's "knowledge that the information was false" or that the information was published "with reckless disregard of whether it was false or not"
. Later Supreme Court cases dismissed the claim for libel and forbade libel claims for statements that are so ridiculous to be clearly not true, or that involve opinionated subjects such as one's physical state of being. Recent cases have addressed defamation law and the internet.
Defamation law in the United States is much less plaintiff-friendly than its counterparts in European and the Commonwealth countries. In the United States, a comprehensive discussion of what is and is not libel or slander is difficult, because the definition differs between different states, and under federal law. Some states codify what constitutes slander and libel together into the same set of laws. Criminal libel is rare or nonexistent, depending on the state. Defenses to libel that can result in dismissal before trial include the statement being one of opinion rather than fact or being "fair comment and criticism". Truth is always a defense.
locker

Social climber
Nov 3, 2012 - 04:24pm PT

"Hey chris, you could have fought it easily what kind of proof did they have?"...


Isn't it only an assumption that something as suggested, took place???...

Does anyone here KNOW for sure that CMac was asked or requested to remove it???...

Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Nov 3, 2012 - 04:27pm PT
Perhaps Chris has simply adopted a policy of obliterating non-climbing threads after no one has posted to them for a while. They're rarely referred to or revived, and just take up bandwidth and storage space.
moosedrool

Trad climber
Fremont
Nov 3, 2012 - 04:39pm PT
It's Chris' site. He can do what he likes.

True. But, the site can't exist without us, no? To keep it up, Chris can't delete all those controversial, politicly incorrect, or whatever threads. I am sure he understands that. If he was pressed to delete the Ryan's thread, gods help us because the USA is no longer a country for the people. I am moving to North Korea!

Andrzej
squishy

Mountain climber
Nov 3, 2012 - 04:39pm PT
Isn't it only an assumption that something as suggested, took place???...

It is 100% speculation, yes, but I really can't think of any other reason why an entire thread would be nuked, can you?
locker

Social climber
Nov 3, 2012 - 04:42pm PT

"It is 100% speculation, yes, but I really can't think of any other reason why an entire thread would be nuked, can you?"...

Yes, I actually can...

Perhaps someone posted some OFFENSIVE material...

One of the owners/mods/friends of the owners/mods is a RYAN supporter...

Too many POLITICAL threads...

etc...


EDITED:

and perhaps the BEST one...



P Ryan thread deleted JUST for the fuk of it...

squishy

Mountain climber
Nov 3, 2012 - 04:49pm PT
True, but I am giving the taco the benefit of the doubt based on their history of minimal censorship. I would lean toward a letter of cease and desist which would seemed to force the uneducated hand.

There's one other possibility, the thread was moved to a non-public location for analysis, but that would not explain the removable from google cache (which is easy to accomplish). It appears to me like someone is erasing the past.
froodish

Social climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 3, 2012 - 04:52pm PT
If the Ryan campaign did demand that the content be removed, there's a good chance it would qualify as a SLAPP. But I could completely understand not wanting to deal with it. The climbers' forum isn't Chris' main business.
squishy

Mountain climber
Nov 3, 2012 - 04:54pm PT
Correct...
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Nov 3, 2012 - 05:01pm PT
This one is up and still easily googled:

http://m.newsbusters.org/blogs/randy-hall/2012/09/11/media-accuse-ryan-lying-about-mountain-climbing


Perhaps already posted but I'm too lazy to read the whole thread.



Any public figures start boasting on climbing feats, they're going to have to answer US right here.

zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 3, 2012 - 05:01pm PT
Y'all gotta be careful when you start pokin' around in something, no telling where it might lead.


Methylation Blues
Methylation Blues
Credit: zBrown via MDx
Dropline

Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
Nov 3, 2012 - 05:06pm PT
Just a thought suggesting there was perhaps no threat from the Romney/Ryan camp.

Such a threat would itself be newsworthy and publishable. Publicity like that would draw even more attention to the false claims and make Ryan look even worse. Much worse.

All wild speculation about why the thread is gone is just that, wild speculation.
QITNL

climber
Nov 3, 2012 - 05:10pm PT
Has anyone contacted the journalists/bloggers who quoted the thread?
little Z

Trad climber
un cafetal en Naranjo
Nov 3, 2012 - 05:36pm PT
OMG!, WTF!, I can't beleive it, the "Benghazi, what's Obama hiding" thread has been completely deleted, not to be found anywhere?

http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1972017/Benghazi-Whats-Obama-Hiding

Looks like Obama has finally gotten around to reading ST and doesn't like what he sees, and so has pulled the plug. It's like my Grandmother always used to say "Those democrats are such a bunch of..."

oh wait, sorry, looks like the thread is still there. never mind.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 3, 2012 - 05:39pm PT
Has anyone contacted the journalists/bloggers who quoted the thread?
I haven't, but there are a lot of quotes from the ST posts on the other sites, however, the ST links do not work.

squishy

Mountain climber
Nov 3, 2012 - 06:21pm PT
This is still up: http://blogs.denverpost.com/thespot/2012/09/05/climb-mountain-paul-ryan-fourteeners/80482/
but it does not appear to quote the taco..

and this: http://blogs.denverpost.com/thespot/2012/09/05/climb-mountain-paul-ryan-fourteeners/80482/?doing_wp_cron=1351981523.7825920581817626953125

oh here's one with supertopo quotes and links, to a now dead thread.
http://www.ibtimes.com/paul-ryan-lying-about-being-mountain-climber-well-marathon-runner-779309

and another
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/randy-hall/2012/09/11/media-accuse-ryan-lying-about-mountain-climbing
squishy

Mountain climber
Nov 3, 2012 - 06:32pm PT
so it would appear the taco is alone in it's deletion? That means there's prolly some other explanation...like someone posted a picture of a vagina or something and the admin clicked the wrong delete button...
squishy

Mountain climber
Nov 3, 2012 - 06:38pm PT
I bet chris is out doing something more exciting, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt at this point.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 3, 2012 - 06:52pm PT
squishy

The Daily Kos page disappeared too, but is accessible in webcache...

The interesting thing is that there is no mention of ST in the article itself only in the comments.


From Kalimon:

Seriously . . . from the first day of his being installed as Mittens running mate this guy proved himself to be full of sh#t. Whatever his connection with literature or music, be assured it is not authentic. Same with his 14er record . . . let's see the summit registers.

It's a weird set of circumstances.


http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ip9ZuDKmfOUJ:www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/01/1126777/-Paul-Ryan-Al-Bundy-and-why-sports-don-t-build-character-they-reveal
jstan

climber
Nov 3, 2012 - 07:21pm PT
It is hard to believe any campaign would make a traceable request to suppress information. So if there was any such request it would have consisted of one or two personal phone calls. Probably from a PAC. Chris would have had to consider two factors.
1. if some corporate donor were to bring legal action (unlikely) could he survive the legal costs
It is even more unlikely the campaign would bring action
2. Does Chris want to be on record as opposing someone who potentially could become president

The smart response would have been for the data on ST with comments by established experts on mountaineering to be called to the attention, by telephone, of a good number of newspapers.

For all we know that was what happened.

I personally am remiss. I and everyone else who values transparency and freedom needs to be supporting the print media. The Gray Lady is available on line for $8.75 a week. A large portion is available free of any charge at all. Without an independent print media, our country cannot survive.

I have just now subscribed to the New York Times online edition.

climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Nov 3, 2012 - 07:48pm PT
Maybe CMac doesn't even know..

bmacd

Trad climber
100% Canadian
Nov 3, 2012 - 09:19pm PT
Lawsuit threat and nondisclosure agreement. They might have even paid Chris off to keep quiet.

Standard practice on the campaign trail.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 3, 2012 - 09:23pm PT
yeah didn't Obama pay off Christie? interesting difference between the pubs and the dems - pubs - pay to shut up - dems - pay to speak up
Christie doing the old "man love" thing

Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Nov 4, 2012 - 12:44am PT
Yes! I would like to know why all links were deleted?
ß Î Ř T Ç H

Boulder climber
bouldering
Nov 4, 2012 - 01:10am PT
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Nov 4, 2012 - 06:52am PT
I call chicken shit!
PLEASE tell US what happened CMAC!
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Nov 4, 2012 - 10:38am PT
I wonder if it's also gone from the supertopo backups...
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Nov 4, 2012 - 12:29pm PT
This was a good thread and at least somewhat climbing related.

Perhaps its deletion (even if rectified) should be a reminder not to get too invested in a website controlled by one idiosyncratic guy who is not terribly concerned whether any user or group of users approves of what he does.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 4, 2012 - 01:03pm PT
Oh, brother.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Nov 4, 2012 - 03:11pm PT
Where art thou?
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 4, 2012 - 03:51pm PT
“I'm not upset that you lied to me, I'm upset that from now on I can't believe you.”

“Invisible threads are the strongest ties.”



bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Nov 4, 2012 - 06:10pm PT
Probably a fabricated lie against Ryan and the source was threatened with libel legal action. Or worse.

Calling Paul Ryan a callous liar is pretty weak compared Biden and Obama.
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Nov 4, 2012 - 06:24pm PT
Probably a fabricated lie against Ryan and the source was threatened with libel legal action. Or worse.

Not sure I follow you on that Steve. Are you saying that the claim that Ryan did 40 (or so) 14,000-foot climbs in Colorado was a fabrication? Well, we all agree with that. But since the source of that claim was Ryan himself, I doubt that's what you mean.

But I'm not sure what you do mean. What is it that you're saying was a fabricated lie against Mr. Ryan? And who threatened whom with legal action? As to the "Or worse," you've really got me confused. Are you implying that someone (The GOP?) threatened CMac with something worse than a lawsuit? As in they were going to send a couple of guys around to break a few bones?

Not trying to be argumentative here, it's just that I really don't understand your post.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Nov 4, 2012 - 06:40pm PT
What is the original context of Ryan's statement. I haven't even heard it and I follow this sh#t pretty closely.

I think somebody took him out of context and slandered him.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 4, 2012 - 06:43pm PT
^You could start with some of the context in this thread (some links still work), then jump to the recreated version of the deleted one.


http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1973871/Paul-Ryans-40-14ers-About-as-Credible-as-his-2-50-Marathon
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Nov 4, 2012 - 06:50pm PT
Found the story. http://kdvr.com/2012/09/06/group-challenges-paul-ryans-claim-of-climbing-dozens-of-colorado-14ers/

Seems like a bit of a reach to hold this against a guy like Paul Ryan. This is all you have to try and smear him?


Really? And no talk of Benghazi? Or the 22 dead SEALS after the Bin Laden raid?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 4, 2012 - 06:58pm PT
"I think somebody took him out of context and slandered him."

Why is you guys never seem to whine like this when the slander is aimed at a Democrat?

Not just a Democrat...but someone who actually served his own country, who gets swiftboated by the campaign of a college-cokehead, draft deferring chickenhawk?

bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Nov 4, 2012 - 07:04pm PT
Apogee is what Ryan said untrue? And how many peaks he has summited seems to be politically irrelevant. How does he prove that? He never can.

But 4 dead Americans in Benghazi? Fast and Furious? 22 dead SEALS in Afghanistan? That seems more important. No?
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 4, 2012 - 07:05pm PT
Neitzsche had nothing to do with the Middle East.

“I'm not upset that you lied to me, I'm upset that from now on I can't believe you.”

The point is Romney and Ryan both are notorious liars who want to run the country.


But 4 dead Americans in Benghazi? Fast and Furious? 22 dead SEALS in Afghanistan?

Why do you focus on these deaths? Aren't there a whole lot of others?

John M

climber
Nov 4, 2012 - 07:12pm PT
I think somebody took him out of context and slandered him.

Whats sad is that Rick went through and explained everything, even going back and getting Ryan's words and you can't be bothered to read it, instead you just...think... you know the answer.

Can you explain the "under 3 hours" comment on the marathon. I bet you can't. But I also bet you have never ran long distance so wouldn't understand the significance.

QITNL

climber
Nov 4, 2012 - 07:12pm PT
"How many peaks he has summited seems to be politically irrelevant."

Tell that to Yosemite 5.9, an Obama-hater, who created the original thread as a tribute to Paul Ryan.

He also graced us with a Benghazi, I've bumped it for you.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Nov 4, 2012 - 07:34pm PT

The point is Romney and Ryan both are notorious liars who want to run the country.

Romney/Ryan do not have a record of unfulfilled promises. Do they?

You want to forget Obama's dreams and promises that are unfulfilled? Kinda disingenuous, bro.
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Why do you focus on these deaths? Aren't there a whole lot of others?

These are the ones Obama clearly has lied about and covered up. DEAD AMERICANS!
jstan

climber
Nov 4, 2012 - 08:30pm PT
After the last episode in the 1920's when the republican party stymied the government's duty to "regulate", it took nearly ten years for the economy to turn around. Obama has bit the bullet to keep us out of another Hooverian disaster by spending as needed to do it. You can fault him if you would rather that the US had gone out of the car business so that your investments might have profited more. On the other hand in a depression you might have ended up making no studio equipment at all and have been out of work.

We all need to be aware of what history can tell us.

I had looked at the history and had bet that there would be a W. disaster. No biggie to see that one coming.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 4, 2012 - 09:11pm PT
Romney/Ryan do not have a record of unfulfilled promises. Do they?


They will after Tuesday.

You saying something does not make it so. More likely it means it is false.

If you want to make a bunch of bullshit statements without any kind of support, it only damages your credibility more.

BTW I haven't said anything about Obama.


philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Nov 4, 2012 - 09:17pm PT
Nice post Apogee. Worth reasking.


Not just a Democrat...but someone who actually served his own country, who gets swiftboated by the campaign of a college-cokehead, draft deferring chickenhawk?
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
Nov 4, 2012 - 09:25pm PT
You want to forget Obama's dreams and promises that are unfulfilled?


What human doesn't have dreams that are unfulfilled, Blue?


As far as promises go, we hear this jive from conservatives all the time - please give an example of Obama PROMISING to do something he hasn't.

No doubt he has not been able to accomplish many things he said he wanted to do in his first term, mostly due to stubborn obstructionism on the right, but to call those things "promises" is typical right wing BS.

Find one quote, ONE, where he actually promises to do something he hasn't.
Rick A

climber
Boulder, Colorado
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 5, 2012 - 11:34am PT
Chris, please let us know what happened.

The thread acted to widely publicize Supertopo, including on the sites of British newspapers and other international sources.

Seems counterproductive, but you're the owner. We just want to hear from you.

Rick
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Nov 5, 2012 - 11:34am PT
Bump for an explanation.
??????????????????????????
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Nov 5, 2012 - 11:40am PT
well you guys are running around like ants in an air raid lol!

You mean the internet is being CONTROLLED!???

Just wait till they bury their fangs in it squarely!
locker

Social climber
Nov 5, 2012 - 11:42am PT


"And how many peaks he has summited seems to be politically irrelevant."...

Goes to character...

If he is in FACT lying about that, then???...

etc...

locker

Social climber
Nov 5, 2012 - 11:44am PT


Through the years here on ST, I have read MANY requests from ST'ers to CMac asking for answers and such...

Can't think of a single DIRECT answer/response EVER being given by CMac and company...

GUD luck with THAT one!!!...

LOL!!!...

philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Nov 5, 2012 - 11:49am PT
This makes the forum smell of dead fish and CMac look bad around the world.
Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Nov 5, 2012 - 11:52am PT
I'm just coming out of my rock to say, this is WAY Off Topic!
I'm just coming out of my rock to say, this is WAY Off Topic!
Credit: Vegasclimber

OT Marmot is late to the party!

Look guys and gals, it's simple. This site is owned by one person. They make the calls, the end. You rant and rave every time a thread gets deleted, or someone gets banned, hundreds and hundreds of posts that have nothing to do with climbing content. You keep it all over the front page, which really screws up the initial impression of anyone visiting this site for the first time, thinking that it's a climbing site. And these posts have exactly zero impact on the decisions made, and do nothing to change them.

The person that owns this site can delete whatever and whomever they wish, and does not need to offer any explanation for doing so. In fact, I think if Chris did respond, it would set off at least another 200 post shitstorm to whatever he had to say. If I was in his shoes, I would think there was no point in responding. He doesn't need to defend or explain his actions.

Don't like it? Find another site, or start your own. Stop bitching and whining about stuff that you have no control over, and never will. You'll feel a lot better and it will probably make the site look better too.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Trad climber
SLO, Ca
Nov 5, 2012 - 11:56am PT
I wish more threads and members were deleted.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Nov 5, 2012 - 11:59am PT
Paul Lyin' Ryan, all widow's peak and peak bragging- no peak bagging.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Nov 5, 2012 - 12:12pm PT
photo not found
Missing photo ID#272314
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Nov 5, 2012 - 12:15pm PT

THURSDAY, OCTOBER 25, 2012
Republican Thugs - Paul Ryan Style!
Cross Posted @ Cog Dis!

We all know what happens when you speak the truth about Paul Ryan (R- The Capitol):

YOU MUST BE PUNISHED!!!

We all know last weekend, Paul Ryan staged a photo op at a closed down homeless shelter, where he cleaned dirty dishes and took pictures like he cared. The director of the homeless shelter prop that rAYN used, was not happy!

He added: “The photo-op they did wasn’t even accurate. He did nothing. He just came in here to get his picture taken at the dining hall.”
“Had they asked for permission, it wouldn’t have been granted. … But I certainly wouldn’t have let him wash clean pans and then take a picture,” Antal said.

The Director was not interested in being anyone's political prop from any party and he let that be known. He had a job to do after all, feeding the homeless!

However, no one tells the truth about Paul Ryan and gets away with it!! The Soup kitchen in Ryan's, clean the clean dishe,s photo op is now facing a major backlash!!

Ryan may have suffered a few late-night jokes, but the fallout for the soup kitchen appears to be far more bruising. Brian J. Antal, president of the Mahoning County St. Vincent De Paul Society, confirmed that donors have begun an exodus in protest over Ryan's embarrassment. The monetary losses have been big. "It appears to be a substantial amount," Antal said. "You can rest assured there has been a substantial backlash."

Antal says he can't give an actual dollar amount. "I can't say how much [in] donations we lost," he said. "Donations are a private matter with our organization."

Antal's charity represents the kind of organization that conservative Republicans might champion. But that was before the Ryan incident went viral a few days ago. According to The Washington Post, Antal said that the moment should never have happened. He told the newspaper that the photo-op was not authorized and that the campaign had “ramrodded their way” inside.
OOPS! This is Paul Ryan's world, where he wants to go, he goes! So Mr. Antal(and the homeless people he serves) HAVE to be taught a lesson!! At least the republican's making the threats to the unpaid soup kitchen director and volunteers are remaining anonymous!

Ryan supporters have now targeted Antal and his soup kitchen, Antal said, including making hundreds of angry phone calls. Some members of Antal's volunteer staff have had to endure the barrage as well, he said. "The sad part is a lot of [the callers] want to hide behind anonymity," he said, adding that if someone leaves their name and number he has tried to return their call. In addition to phone calls, people have posted a few choice words on the charity's Facebook wall, including statements like "I hope you lose your tax [sic] emempt status," Anyone who is thinking about donations to you should think twice" and "Shame on you Brian Antal!"

On the phone with HuffPost, Antal seemed worn out by all the vitriol. "Honesty, I really don't need any more attention," he said. "I really just want this to go away."

Antal said doesn't understand why donors would take out their frustration over the incident on those who can't afford to pay for their own meals. "I'm a volunteer,' he said. "I receive zero compensation. Withholding donations is only going to hurt the over 100,000 we serve annually."

Sorry Mr. Antal, that is where you have it wrong! The Paul Ryan Goon squad has no interest in what happens to the 100,000 meals you serve or the people who so desperately need them at all. They want to send a message to anyone else in the future.

NEVER TALK BAD ABOUT PAUL RYAN!!!


Lesson learned! So what if a few thousand people are going hungry because of it!!

Good Lord if they are willing to threaten a charitable not for profit soup kitchen just imagine the horrors they could perpetrate on a privately owned for profit web site.
OMG that's it Lyin Ryan must have threatened to come and clean CMac's dishes.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Nov 5, 2012 - 12:16pm PT
Guys,

whatever CAN Mr. Ryan do to turn this thing around for him and Mittens by tomorrow?
locker

Social climber
Nov 5, 2012 - 12:17pm PT


I was on some political BS page via FACEBOOK the other day...

It requested a "LIKE" if you like Lyin Ryan (or something like that)...

I wrote something and included the work "Fu-k"...

LOL!!!...

Needless to say, it wouldn't let me post...

locker

Social climber
Nov 5, 2012 - 12:18pm PT



"whatever CAN Mr. Ryan do to turn this thing around for him and Mittens by tomorrow?"...


Full accountability and then the two of them SHOULD vote for OBAMA...

WBraun

climber
Nov 5, 2012 - 12:19pm PT
Google can scrub anything they want off the internet and have been doing it all along.

Don't people even know this?
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Nov 5, 2012 - 12:20pm PT
Needless to say, it wouldn't let me post...

Gee that's odd. Certainly it couldn't be your use of colorful verbage. Must be your known long term connection to the liberally biased TacoForum.


Werner are you implying Google did the scrub down?
WBraun

climber
Nov 5, 2012 - 12:24pm PT
Google will scrub any sensitive stuff off the internet under the guise of "National Security" and have been doing so for number of years.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Nov 5, 2012 - 12:25pm PT
Yeah of course but we didn't say anything bad about China's ruling elite.
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Nov 5, 2012 - 12:26pm PT
google has no control over ST
That's crazy talk
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Nov 5, 2012 - 12:29pm PT
Well I wish they did because my national security feels so much better knowing Lyin Ryan's climbing resume is under lock and key.
locker

Social climber
Nov 5, 2012 - 12:29pm PT

...


^^^

ROFL!!!...

Sure thing you lying fukwad!!!...

philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Nov 5, 2012 - 12:33pm PT
The only recovery Willard the Romunnist should be addressing is his from drug abuse.
He demonstrates all the classice 'tells' of a coke abuser.
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Nov 5, 2012 - 12:36pm PT
Real Recovery for Romney's check book
He will just be able to rob us better being the Commander and Chief
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 5, 2012 - 03:47pm PT
If R&R are responsible for this then maybe they should be given another chance.

Perhaps they could make the deficit disapper? China? Unemployment? Global warming?

Got one day left to decide.


I do wonder whether cMac is going to make any comment about this and why it is that some non-ST Ryan moutain climbing related articles on the web disappeared, while some didn't.

Sparky

Trad climber
vagabond movin on
Nov 5, 2012 - 04:39pm PT
This may be total coincidence but I don't remember seeing Romney support advertising before the thread was erased? Am I wrong in my observation? Has Romney adds been on the Topo before this?
Rick A

climber
Boulder, Colorado
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 5, 2012 - 04:51pm PT
I noticed this too when I was looking for the old thread on Friday, but thought it a coincidence, and it may well be.

But speculation is all we have if Chris won't let us know what really happened.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Nov 5, 2012 - 04:55pm PT
This may be total coincidence but I don't remember seeing Romney support advertising before the thread was erased? Am I wrong in my observation? Has Romney adds been on the Topo before this?

No he has always popped up - its a google thing - just trying to mind f*#k you in anyway possible related to the words that are written and read.
Sparky

Trad climber
vagabond movin on
Nov 5, 2012 - 04:59pm PT
Never know...Newsmax Media, Inc. may have a lot of cash to dump as the election is tomorrow. They could have presented Chris with a bunch of $$ for advertising -- provided they get rid of the most publicized thread that recently brought people to the Taco.

http://w3.newsmax.com/a/nov12/?promo_code=10742-1
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 5, 2012 - 06:31pm PT
Just curious

but has anyone ever seen pRyan and cMac on the top of Nt. Sneffles at the same time?


philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Nov 6, 2012 - 12:09pm PT
Bump for the truth. Or at least an explanation.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Trad climber
SLO, Ca
Nov 6, 2012 - 12:58pm PT
Here is my guess: the owner of this site has repeatedly requested that the political bullshite be kept to a minimum. A supertopo thread gets outed in some political article about Ryan, no doubt dragging more non-climbing, ill informed blowhards to this site. Deletion might cut some of them off at the pass.

Silver

Ice climber
Nov 6, 2012 - 02:26pm PT
It was Kovar he did it he made them take it down with his ranting and what not. F*#king Kovar!
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Nov 6, 2012 - 02:32pm PT
This makes the forum smell of dead fish and CMac look bad around the world.

it will be on CNN tonite no doubt. they will forgo erection reporting to report on "Days of Supertopo Lives"...
ncrockclimber

climber
The Desert Oven
Nov 6, 2012 - 03:53pm PT
I think Lois (aka The LEB-Thing) had something to do with it!
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Nov 6, 2012 - 04:07pm PT
LEB, Rokjox, Skipt, Crowley under fattrad's leadership pulled the plug....
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 6, 2012 - 04:39pm PT
Is Ryan gone yet?
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Nov 6, 2012 - 07:02pm PT
Ooooh CockEye you stopped ass raping yourself with an oversized oosik long enough to crawl out from behind the woodwork and spew santorum again. You are a cowardly anonymous trollboi. Your parents must be so proud.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 8, 2012 - 10:53pm PT
Ryan is gone, what happened to the thread?

Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Nov 8, 2012 - 11:05pm PT
Ooooh CockEye you stopped ass raping yourself with an oversized oosik long enough to crawl out from behind the woodwork and spew santorum again. You are a cowardly anonymous trollboi. Your parents must be so proud.

philo,

you are a pussy. but thats ok. we legalized gay marriage in my state and 420, it might make you feel better to get high and get married at the same time.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 8, 2012 - 11:07pm PT
stay on topic

if Ryan is getting married, it's his own damn business

just as long as he doesn't do it in Colorado

Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Nov 8, 2012 - 11:46pm PT
who's Paul Ryan?
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 8, 2012 - 11:50pm PT
^Do you ask the Beatles that?

Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Nov 9, 2012 - 12:01am PT
Non Sequitar
Non Sequitar
Credit: Fritz
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Nov 9, 2012 - 10:10am PT
OK Fritz, I will behave now. I was just trying to get banned.

Banning is better than unexplained censorship.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Nov 9, 2012 - 10:18am PT
Well, I hope you're all happy. All this talk of what a lying bitch Ryan was focused attention on the facts and cost him and Romney the election. Proceed to 4 more years of hope and change round 2. Ding ding ding.



This poster, for example, is already fading....time to move on and get the topic back where it belongs. Sarah Palin. ...not.

Rick A

climber
Boulder, Colorado
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 17, 2012 - 12:02pm PT
The remaining issue is why Chris McNamara, the owner of Supertopo, saw fit to delete the thread in the weeks before the election. It is likely that the deleted thread brought more attention to Supertopo outside of the climbing community than any other thread in its history. A thread that might have been viewed for years to come, especially if Ryan runs for President in four years, is now gone. So it is very curious as to why this happened. Since Chris has chosen not to explain himself, we can only speculate.

There are a couple possibilities that have been suggested:

1) He was threatened by GOP operatives . If Chris caved to this pressure, he was not getting good legal advice. The First Amendment would certainly protect him against any liability arising from a Ryan supporter's lawsuit, there would be hordes of volunteer climbing lawyers lined up to defend him pro bono if that happened, and public exposure of the litigation threat would certainly make them back down. Has anyone ever heard of any candidate for national office bringing such a suit? It just doesn't happen. So, I have ruled this out.

2 )He received a financial incentive to delete the thread from some republican funding source. That is too mercenary for me to believe. I have ruled this out too.

3) A poster to the thread was offended by a personal remark in it and asked it to be deleted. This is more likely since a libel suit by a non-public figure can be a real threat to a forum like this. This seems the most likely explanation to me, but I don't remember anything particularly scandalous said about anyone on that thread. Sure, there were the occasional "inanely combative" comments, but nothing out of the ordinary.

Chris can do what he wants with his site and can delete any thread. But Supertopo promotes it's discussion forum as a "community." It certainly detracts from any sense of "community" when a unique political/climbing thread disappears and no explanation is offered.

It also displays a disturbing arrogance by the owner of this site to simply ignore this subject. I have written Chris privately, and asked him publicly for an explanation. But nothing.

The way this has been handled by ST is surprising and just not "good blokery", as a Brit might put it.
WBraun

climber
Nov 17, 2012 - 12:19pm PT
Rick

Most likely Chris does not want any unnecessary trouble coming his way pertaining to your problem.

It can take a life of it's own no matter what the reasons were as we see all time here when threads spiral out of control by the zealots.

It will become a big side show hassle for him. (ie pain in the ass).

This whole site is his life source and he will protect it from any unnecessary trouble without having to give his reasons.

His primary focus is on the Climbing world and seriously would like to avoid most all political trespasses.

Best wishes, Werner
Peter Haan

Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
Nov 17, 2012 - 12:21pm PT
Ricky, I agree completely with you just above and the fact there hasn't been an explanation for the thread's disappearance should be disturbing to everyone here.
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Nov 17, 2012 - 12:36pm PT
But Supertopo promotes it's discussion forum as a "community." It certainly detracts from any sense of "community" when a unique political/climbing thread disappears and no explanation is offered.

I can't remember Supertopo.com actively promoting the discussion forum as a community. My perception of the forum is that it's always been the red-headed stepchild in that it's there, you can use it, but the site owners don't care all that much about it in any capacity except as a magnet to drive people to supertopo.com for possible increased product sales.
jstan

climber
Nov 17, 2012 - 02:06pm PT
Someone once said a candidate for the Supreme Court should be approved because

"Average people should have representation on the court."

Good to see Sarah Palin is still on our minds. Despite the best efforts of many over the past 200 years, her demographic has yet to live at 1600 Pa Ave. Mitt was a good shot but somehow we were denied yet again.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Nov 17, 2012 - 02:07pm PT
WHY?
Rick A

climber
Boulder, Colorado
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 17, 2012 - 02:40pm PT
Stzzo-Check the top of the page:

Climber's Forum

General questions, discussion, community — join the conversation!

Werner-I can certainly understand a small business owner wishing to avoid even the remote possibility of financial trouble over a thread. What I cannot understand is taking this unusual action and then refusing to discuss why it occurred. If he just said what you said, privately, or publicly, I'd probably shut up.

Well, at least for a while until Ryan runs for president in a few years.

Best to you too, Werner.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Nov 17, 2012 - 02:43pm PT
Most likely we don't have a dang clue why that thread disappeared. My experience is that our assumptions are much more often wrong than right

PEace

karl
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Nov 17, 2012 - 03:41pm PT
Stzzo-Check the top of the page:

Climber's Forum

General questions, discussion, community — join the conversation!

Indeed. But the word "promote" still bothers me. Open to interpretation, as is often the case.

To me, the text at the top of the page is more "describing" the forum as a community than "promoting" the forum as a community.

Bottom line is that I just don't see the mission of this forum as any quasi-official institution (or otherwise bearing any obligations) in the climbing world. I see it as a private website where the owners can do whatever they please -- "caveat emptor" (or caveat "poster"), so to speak.
Rick A

climber
Boulder, Colorado
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 17, 2012 - 04:08pm PT
Here's another example from google of ST's promotion of the "community" forum:

SuperTopo's climbing discussion forum is the world's most popular community discussion forum for people who actively climb outdoors.

As I said, I understand a website owner wanting to protect his business; no one would begrudge this, even if it is were overcautious. Chris certainly has every right to delete threads at his will.

It's just not a very civil way to treat the "community" he promotes to refuse to discuss the reasons for doing it here. Just looking for some common courtesy, really.

WBraun

climber
Nov 17, 2012 - 04:10pm PT
Rick

Try calling at Phone: (530) 545 0424
locker

Social climber
Nov 17, 2012 - 04:11pm PT
"If he just said what you said, privately, or publicly"...


For all ANY of us know...

it has been discussed in great detail PRIVATELY (or not at all, or just a little bit, or???)...




EDITED:

"It's just not a very civil way to treat the "community" he promotes to refuse to discuss the reasons for doing it here. Just looking for some common courtesy, really."...

Other than that video some time back...

I don't EVER recall a time when any explanation was given for pretty much anything that goes on in here (i.e. Booted without obvious reasons, deleted threads, etc...)...

My GUESS is, it's probably the EASY way to go...

Just DELETE, no explaining, move on...

No verbal involvement that could end up setting the tone for people ALWAYS wanting ANSWERS...

Could be ENDLESS...








zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 17, 2012 - 04:21pm PT
OK - I know why the thread was deleted, but I can't tell because I'd have to kill myself.



-Cyanide de Bergerac
jstan

climber
Nov 17, 2012 - 04:23pm PT
Promises promises.
nah000

Mountain climber
canuckadia
Nov 17, 2012 - 04:35pm PT
while i don't post here a lot, i appreciate what chris has created and more importantly what that creation facilitates.

given the herding cat nature of the above task, i generally don't give too much time to second guessing his (team's) minimal editing methods or prerogative.

but, this mystery disappearance and scrubbing of an entire thread that was from my recollection surprisingly respectful and at least tangentially on topic, is fundamentally different than the usual rendition of a fatty or leb type contributor.

more importantly it appears to fly in the face of all three of mcnamara's stated goals for this website.

from the link and mcnamara's keyboard they are:

//1) Inspire, educate and humor each other
As I see it this is the whole point of the Forum; what the Forum is on its best days. There are a lot of amazing people here from wildly different backgrounds. It’s great how many different styles of information come forth, from people sharing wild winter ascents in the High Sierra to how to make the ultimate van conversion.

2) Preserve history
A lot of Historical Gold has been posted here from Yosemite, Colorado, Alaska and around the world. I love the fact that a web search for old climbing history often directs the searcher to the SuperTopo Forum. Best of all, many of the people who made that history post here! Some people have asked if this historical stuff is safe here. Answer: Yes. We have been around since 2000 (the Stone Age in climbing Forum time) and are not going anywhere. We have a business model learned from living in Camp 4: even with low income, you can always keep your expenses even lower. (And grab leftover pizza from the Curry Deck when necessary).

3) Have the most open home for discussion on the Internet
For good or bad, SuperTopo is the least moderated, least categorized, least divided up forum out there. One page, simple layout, post em' if ya got em' That is what people love and hate about the Forum, myself included.//


if chris is serious about these, i sure would appreciate an explanation as to what happened to the original thread.

at the end of the day mcnamara doesn't owe me/us anything. but that stance is a double edged sword. without an explanation this incident changes my perception of both the value and substance of what i thought this place was.

i'll continue to visit, but a little joy in mudville will have been lost.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 17, 2012 - 04:40pm PT


HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Nov 18, 2012 - 09:51pm PT
Indeed, that thread was a small bit of US history. Given that a lot of the thread was a discussion by people who are familiar with the Colorado 14'ers, debunking Ryan's apparent claim had credence.

Scrubbing it for whatever reason was unconscionable (in my not so humble opinion).

I haven't read all posts on this thread carefully so maybe I missed it, but I didn't see anyone postulate that the thread was hacked out of existence by a Romulus/LyinRyan supporter.
Their campaign had a large incentive to scrub anything on the web that called Ryan's veracity into question. Wiping out a James Fallows page would have immediate public condemnation. Who besides Ryan would give a tinker's damn about what's said in this two bit gin joint?
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Nov 18, 2012 - 10:03pm PT
Ooooh CockEye you stopped ass raping yourself with an oversized oosik long enough to crawl out from behind the woodwork and spew santorum again. You are a cowardly anonymous trollboi. Your parents must be so proud.

philo,

you are one lucky faggot that i remain anonymous on here.....nothing a good bitch slap wont fix for you though...
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
Nov 18, 2012 - 10:18pm PT
I think the GOP is grooming Ryan for the presidency, and the high power moneyed interests that fuel their machine really like the message he sends.

A story like the disappearance of this thread might seem petty and unworthy of much concern to many, but if his claims of mountain mastery were proven to be imaginary, I believe it could ruin his career, or certainly his chances for the presidency. It would be a story he could never live down.

The kind of corruption, lust for power and money that is at play here might make the disappearance of such a credible discussion as the one on ST a high priority.

Chris' silence on the matter does raise suspicions about his involvement in, or at least knowledge of what happened. Seems he could offer some kind of explanation.

Rick was really onto something, I think. It would seem somebody would have the skills to trace what happened, and who made it happen. The answers to those questions might be far more intriguing than the original thread was.
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Nov 18, 2012 - 10:43pm PT
Online forum owners and individuals who post messages can be held liable for invasion of privacy or for making defamatory statements, which are damaging, false statements of fact.


Chances of plaintiffs winning such lawsuits are not high. Many lawsuits are thrown out of court or settled before trial, but not before causing major problems for the accused. Chris could go bankrupt just defending such litigation ...regardless of its merit.

Chris allows us a great deal of latitude on Supertopo Forum...and questioning Mr Ryan's claims is not unreasonable.

But the profusion of derision and glut of hate filled posts that came with disputing Ryan's assertions, here, could be used to manifest allegations of defamation and libel.

Chris HAS to be discerning in how far he permits maligning and derision of individuals...especially public figures.
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
Nov 18, 2012 - 10:53pm PT
In response to a now deleted post -

I would lose a bit of respect, but this is his business, and business is business.

I'm mostly interested in the mystery of it, and the reason this thread seems to have received unprecedented treatment.

Plus I just plain don't like Paul Ryan and his policies...
WBraun

climber
Nov 18, 2012 - 10:58pm PT
Be careful what you all wish for.

These modern day politards ruining for high offices these days are heavy hitters.

Ya just might get a knock on the door and become a drooling lobotomized zombie hours later ......
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 18, 2012 - 11:08pm PT
Maybe someone should ask why the reconstructed thread which contains a significant share of the original has not been deleted.

On another topic MittRomney, no exercise slouch himself, was in Del Mar today watching movies and eating pizza. Nobody seemed to care whether he and Ann ran up from La Jolla or arrived on horseback.

 Philip Marlowe

Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Nov 19, 2012 - 12:22pm PT
Another angle on this. The original threads gained some attention on your national stage. That in turn might have attracted all sorts of political trolls to SuperTopo. Not just amateurs, like most of us, but the professionals. Not only further diluting what the forum is about, but creating a management problem. Perhaps Chris simply didn't want to have to deal with that, and took pre-emptive action.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Nov 19, 2012 - 01:37pm PT

A story like the disappearance of this thread might seem petty and unworthy of much concern to many, but if his claims of mountain mastery were proven to be imaginary, I believe it could ruin his career, or certainly his chances for the presidency. It would be a story he could never live down.

The kind of corruption, lust for power and money that is at play here might make the disappearance of such a credible discussion as the one on ST a high priority.

Chris' silence on the matter does raise suspicions about his involvement in, or at least knowledge of what happened. Seems he could offer some kind of explanation.

Rick was really onto something, I think. It would seem somebody would have the skills to trace what happened, and who made it happen. The answers to those questions might be far more intriguing than the original thread was.

Not the way I see it. Ryan's lying about his marathon time was unconverted--and it was still a small story that quickly blew over. Ryan's 14er hiking can never really be proved or disproved, and his handlers came up with explanations of Ryan's statements that were probably BS at some level, but were plausible enough to ensure this obscure topic stayed obscure. I have hiked all Colo. 14ers (except Culebra) and ran (jogged) a sub-4 hour marathon, and not even I really care that much about Ryan's d-baggery. It's a real stretch to think that average Joe is going to care about this, especially in 4 years.

Anyone who thinks that getting caught being a BS-artist and teller of whoppers is fatal to a political career should spend a few minutes googling the career of our illustrious current VP.
locker

Social climber
Nov 19, 2012 - 01:51pm PT


The questions continue...

The lack of answers follow...

and it continues to go NO WHERE...

LOL!!!...



SuperTopo at it's BEST!!!...
Rick A

climber
Boulder, Colorado
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 21, 2012 - 09:31am PT
I took Werner’s advice and called Chris. We didn’t speak directly, but exchanged voice mails. He said he did not know why the thread was deleted. Apparently he wasn’t even aware of the issue!

So, apologies to Chris for saying that his silence indicated arrogance on his part. Apparently, he has better things to do (climbing?) than follow the discussions on his forum.

Still, there remains the mystery of who deleted the thread and why. I hope Chris can clarify how it came about.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Nov 21, 2012 - 10:24am PT




The plot thickens......



locker

Social climber
Nov 21, 2012 - 10:26am PT


Classic!!!...

People giving CMac crap over something he had no clue about...

LOL!!!...





zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 21, 2012 - 10:29am PT
I told ya, Romney hired Stuxnet guys to zap the thread.
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