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Ground-Up
Trad climber
ca
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Hey Dick
I dont think the people in town go on supertopo to let you know what they think of the pit
You are a good example of the homeless non climber type interested in the Pits future
Just because you talk about climbing doesnt make you a climber
I am a Joshua Local unlike you
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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That Coz, what a scamp!
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goatboy smellz
climber
Nederland-GulfBreeze
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The Pit would be better off if its benefactors followed the Hueco Pete model for dirtbag camping and hanging.
The free form model of letting the pigs rule the farm doesn't seem to be working, so follow what has worked in the past and this means offering a full time host free rent via RV just like the FS does or building a quonset hut with a crash pad upstairs, wifi and cheap $2.00 breakfast burritos.
Hueco Pete got by with $5 bucks a night and if you couldn't pay you could stay for a night or two then move on. You guys either need to get serious and develop that site or end up dead like Hueco Pete.
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Groundup if that IS Dick Cilley, uh he is a climber. Might want to look up his history. Quite a damn good climber at that.
Peace
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Good work on y'all for keeping that thing, uh, clean-ish.
Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen, IMO... climbers that aren't willing to drive to BLM, section six, hike out a mile in the park, get a part time job, rent a house with a group of 'em, contribute in any way, shape or form (cleaning up your own mess isn't 'contributing')... do I really care if they get a spot?
There are, like, 3 climbers that I would love it if they could crash at something like The Pit year-round. These people are the extenuating circumstances, and if your in your twenties you have no business living off of someone elses property. You have a strong back and rest days, pull some weeds and don't add to the problem.
my .02..........
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Ground-Up
Trad climber
ca
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Hey Ron
I lived in Yosemite for 4 years and Joshua for 20 I used to climb about 300 days a year and always saw Dick around scrounging but never climbing , just talking sh#t about climbers
I know his history - a little bit of climbing and a lot of scrounging , scamming and arrogant sh#t talking
Next thing you know you'll tell me a poser like Tucker is a real climber
Peace
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Well glad to see at least yer bad ass and a climber. No harm, no foul! Ya got it right with Tucker.
Peace
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Fogarty
climber
BITD
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Ground-up WTF is your deal, who are you?
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Tan Slacks
climber
Joshua Tree
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OT, but somewhat related.
I was having huge problems with ATV's and such on my road and property (not far from the pit) Daily these kooks would rip through everything. On the rare occasions that I got them to stop so we could discuss private property and roads, I would get horrendous abuse, even several episodes of vandalism.
it took some time, but I photographed the abusers, and followed them home.. (very difficult, but I was motivated) and then when all my ducks were in a row including an estimate to repair the off road damage to my road and property, I took them to court.
The judge lived in Yucca and obviously knew the problem I was suffering because he barely heard their defense. When I produced the pictures of them destroying everything in their path I won the case and received a judgement. Several of the riders were minors and the parents had to pay. The judgement to repairing my road and trails across my property. This whole process took well over a year, but the kids in the area know I will take more pictures. New people arrive every year, but the story seems to spread. Fun story about rouge ATV'ers
PS Ground up tells it as he sees it, been knowing him a long time.
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Ground-Up
Trad climber
ca
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Thanks Tan Slacks so do you
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Ground-Up
Trad climber
ca
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Who are you, Fogarty ?
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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The PARK needs more camping.
That way the "visitors" would have a legal place to stay with out breaking the law.
Back when it was just a Monument, the BLM let the climbers "work it out" as far as cramming into sites.
Now the FEDS - as usual - have it all fu-ked up cause they are impotent and cant even get out of thier own way. They are incapable of building even so much as a outhouse without spending a bizzillion dollers on studies and such.
Residents of Josh, Yucca and 29 stumps need to complain about the situation to thier local elected officals and keep the pressure on and
not let up.
To all who pick up trash, good on you, your good citizens who do the dirty work that local officals shrug off as not nessary.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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What's the Mayor say about all this?
What ever he deems an appropriate future for the pit, I support.
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jstan
climber
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Just got the notice for the Joshua Tree Clean Team's Wednesday project. This one involves some significant amount of abandoned household furnishings. When I suggested I actually could use another sofa, Gary said I could have one but the sofas would come already supplied with residents. I have edited some info from the notice.
The Joshua Tree Clean Team had a busy month in October, working along the highway at Sunburst, Olympic and Yucca Mesa. A big thank you to the volunteers for the month (named here)
The next Joshua Tree Clean Team clean-up is in a neighborhood. Several years ago the Joshua Tree Clean Team cleaned up a pit in the large field north-west of xxxxxxxx The pit now has miscelloneous furniture and trash that needs to be cleaned. Not only that but there are several other areas to be cleaned, ironicly named, Tin Can Hill, Glass Top, Trash Ravine, and Messy Kids Playground!! With all that to clean we are encouraging the neighbors to join the clean team and have even added an extra hour. The neighborhood clean up will start at 7 a.m. to 9 a.m. . This will be a large clean-up and everyone is needed anytime between the two hour slot. The meeting place is xxxxxxxxxx
The Joshua Tree Clean Team's sponsors include the County of San Bernardino Waste Management, Z107.7, Park Rock Cafe, Cal Trans, Joshua Tree Recreation & Park District and the Joshua Tree Outfitters.
As to the Pit damaging climbers' reputations, at the risk of deflating our ego we should realize the town seems not even to know that we exist. Our reputation seems the most damaged by our own occasionally poor behavior in the Park. A small area rug has taken up residence at the curb on Sunset a couple blocks away from the Pit. Been there for more than six months so it appears no one plans to use it. It looks pretty wet. From my experience in our Pit, I expect it also smells bad. I'll get it Wednesday.
JT is filled with people the great majority possessing positive attitudes. If climbers also possessing an optimistic attitude joined in, it would be neat. The work is most enjoyable.
Edit:
During the couple of weeks we were working I had no interaction with the immediate neighbors. So I did not get any indication about that interface. If they are as dissatisfied as some claim, they need to make complaints.
The people I meet and work with in town don't seem to know we are here. I estimate a good 80% of the trash in the dumpster was generated by climbers. Camping stuff and wrapping from climbing gear was present in quantity.
A few people clearly worked hard to rectify what was happening. It would appear there were even more climbers who were dissatisfied. Enough climbers to have kept the place clean.
Which leaves us a puzzle. Why was it dirty?
And now that it is clean, why the expressions of dissatisfaction? Very curious.
The situation as stated by Robert is very direct.
If climbers want the facility, they will have to keep it clean and respect the neighbors.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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It was a joke Locker.
I doubt the mayor cares, or should for that matter.
It is actually the surrounding neighbors that should have the final say on the future of the pit. Not the property owner, not the 'community' or any 'caretakers' , imo.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Body odor aside,,,
It's not OK to be a bad neighbor.
If this free camping area causes ANY problems for surrounding neighbors, they should have a say in it's future.
The surrounding neighbors are people that pay to be there, they are not just 'looking for a free place to crash'.
Asking the users of the pit to step up and be good neighbors is the right thing.
If they can't deal with that, f*#k 'em.
Seriously.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Do you REALLY think your neighbors should dictate what you do with your own land???.
The neighbors would have a say if camping is a zoning violation. I presume that it is, then again, the high desert plays by different rules.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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I have met a few of the neighbors, because I would walk Teddy in the blocks around there, and they are very nice people. I would be vague if asked about my situation - 'staying in JT for winter," "over that way" with a finger point when asked where I live, and such. One did know about the Pit, and he said "Are you one of the climbers?" When I answered yes, he said he was glad there were people there because he felt it kept away the meth heads.
Another would stop and chat whenever he saw me. He had two dogs himself, and loved those dogs(his dogs and Teddy introduced us). Another lady told me to keep a good watch on Teddy because she had seen a mom coyote with pup denned on the border between her property and the Pit.
It probably helps that I am female, reasonably friendly in appearance and behavior, and have an awesome dog who loves everyone he sees, but I think that from what I have seen, there is no hostility by neighbors.
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Ground-Up
Trad climber
ca
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Nov 10, 2012 - 07:59am PT
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THE PIT SUCKS
Would you want it next door to your house or your moms house
Houses that people work and pay for
Unlike the losers at the Pit that think they should be able to live for free
Because people who stay there lie about where they are staying and then say no one ever said anything to me doesn't mean the people in Joshua Tree like The Pit
I live and climb in Joshua Tree and own a house that I work and pay for and I think The Pit Sucks and should go away
Please close the pit
I'm tired of hearing about how cool it is
The Pit is not cool
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jstan
climber
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Nov 10, 2012 - 08:08pm PT
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Coz: Your member to member is disabled so I can't stay on the down low here.
Went back over the Pit and its parcel again today just to check what may have been done by the recent wind. Got some trash that we had missed and some new stuff thrown on to the property from the roads. Found a screen door that, unfortunately, could not be fixed and reused. Also some wind blown stuff and some that got away from climbers. Pretty stiff winds.
A good way to specify cleanliness is to ask, on average when you stand in one place and look around, how long does it take to see something. The Pit is now at around 15 to 20 seconds. For desert terrain that is really good. Only when you have duff on the ground does it get longer.
Getting broken glass fields spotless is nearly impossible so we have more to do especially along Sunset.
It is possible the Pit is now the cleanest parcel in the neighborhood. Ground-up says he lives in JT. If you have renters in your house you might have him check on your property.
Edit:
Maybe you should have someone else do it.
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