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Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Sep 29, 2012 - 10:30am PT
I thought that this thread was for SuperTopo atheists to tell their story and make a statement of their lack of blind faith?

So to you ignorant religious f*#ks, unless you want me to go back to the Christian thread and start making fun of the god you haven't seen in 2,000 years, then go away.

Credit: Sierra Ledge Rat
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 29, 2012 - 01:07pm PT
Studly
That's pretty cool where did you come across that?


Ledge rat
That's the first positive thing I've heard you say.
Have a nice day to you too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jus Reply'in
BB
Studly

Trad climber
WA
Oct 4, 2012 - 09:12pm PT
hey Blueblockr and Sierra Ledge Rat, Peace be with you my friends!
I am quoting from the Essene Gospel of Peace, the contents of which represents only about a third of the complete manuscripts which exist in Aramaic in the Secret Archives of the Vatican and in old Slavonic in the Royal Archives of the Habsburg (now the property of the Austrian Government).

We owe existence of these two versions to the Nestorian priests who, under pressure of the advancing hordes of Genghis Khan, were forces to flee from the East towards the West, bearing all their ancient scriptures and ikons with them.

The ancient Aramaic texts date from the 3rd century after Christ, while the old Slavonic version is a literal translation of the former. Exactly how the texts traveled from Palestine to the interior of Asia into the hands of the Nestorian priests, archeologists are not yet able to reconstruct for us.

"And the truth shall bear witness of itself.
http://stevespickard.tripod.com/uhc/essene.htm
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Oct 4, 2012 - 09:33pm PT
But the de-emphasis of good works by many Christian sects is tragic...especially in a grief stricken world so obviously in need of kindness and benevolence.

Agreed.

No one is exalted by good works alone.

Also tragic. Good works alone should be enough. The most kind, benevolent, and generous Muslims, Pagans, Buddhists, Shintoists, Taoists, Shamanists, Christians, and atheists in all the world should be fully and equally rewarded for their actions.
WBraun

climber
Oct 4, 2012 - 09:40pm PT
So that's why you do it, eh.

For a reward ......
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Oct 4, 2012 - 09:44pm PT
who knew the light at the end of the tunnel was a carrot on a stick?
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Oct 4, 2012 - 09:55pm PT
So that's why you do it, eh.

For a reward ......

Oh, come on... You can do better than that.

Feeling good is a "reward". Feeling like a decent human being is a "reward". Knowing that someone I care about is happier or safer is a "reward".

Check out recent neuroscience research on the internal payoff of altruism.

So-called "selfless" acts are in reality some of the most selfish acts possible. People do them because it makes them feel better -- about themselves, about the state of the world, etc.
splitter

Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Oct 4, 2012 - 10:02pm PT
It (good works) is done out of love for mankind (& for love of God/He loves mankind, gave His only begotten son for men) not for salvation or for a reward.

edit: good works are not "de-emphasis[ed]". on the contrary, they are why we are here. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." they are just not relied upon/dependant for eternal salvation.
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Oct 4, 2012 - 10:05pm PT
It (good works) is done out of love for mankind, not for salvation or for a reward.

The reward is the knowledge that mankind is better off as a result of the good works.

That is a very real reward.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Oct 4, 2012 - 10:08pm PT
Feeling good is a "reward".


Feeling good can be achieved by dopamine release in the brain, a chemical process that can happen after an intense workout, sex or watching cartoons.

Feeling like a decent human being is a "reward".
The Ego can be reconstructed many ways, doubtfully as a reward... rather the unique way in which our neurons fire and record information.

Knowing that someone I care about is happier or safer is a "reward".

Oxytocin is another chemical our brain releases when around children or loved ones to keep us from harming them, thus our species could develop communities and raise our rather frail (by the animal kingdom) babies without eating them.


So maybe not rewards, all those ;D
WBraun

climber
Oct 4, 2012 - 10:13pm PT
So violence is not good works?

So violence is not kindness?
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Oct 4, 2012 - 10:13pm PT
Feeling good is a "reward".

Feeling good can be achieved by dopamine release in the brain, a chemical process that can happen after an intense workout, sex or watching cartoons.

Feeling like a decent human being is a "reward".

The Ego can be reconstructed many ways, doubtfully as a reward... rather the unique way in which our neurons fire and record information.

Knowing that someone I care about is happier or safer is a "reward".

Oxytocin is another chemical our brain releases when around children or loved ones to keep us from harming them, thus our species could develop communities and raise our rather frail (by the animal kingdom) babies without eating them.


So maybe not rewards, all those ;D


Ah, but you missed the point entirely.

They are rewards indeed. The reward is the mood-enhancing properties.

The firing of our neurons and the chemicals of our various receptors determine our good feeling.

Feeling good is the reward.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Oct 4, 2012 - 10:16pm PT
True, because all those chemicals are biological constructs to allow our genetics to pass on and reward us!
WBraun

climber
Oct 4, 2012 - 10:20pm PT
So you're all selfish do gooders?

Ya all do sh!t so ya can feel good ultimately for yourselves.

Do good ers .....
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Oct 4, 2012 - 10:20pm PT
True, because all those chemicals are biological constructs to allow our genetics to pass on and reward us!

Agreed...

Neuroscience research suggests that this is why (or partly why) our brains perceive them as "rewards" -- as survival mechanisms, to motivate us toward particular behaviors that enhance survival of the species.
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Oct 4, 2012 - 10:23pm PT
So violence is not good works?

So violence is not kindness?

Who says?

Self-defense is violence. Isn't it also kindness and good works toward oneself?
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Oct 4, 2012 - 10:26pm PT
So you're all selfish do gooders?

Ya all do sh!t so ya can feel good ultimately for yourselves.

Do good ers .....

Who's "you"?

Why do you do sh#t? So you can feel bad?

The answer to your questions is "Nope".

But I think you already know that...
splitter

Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Oct 4, 2012 - 10:27pm PT
edit: Oops, posted on wrong thread! lol

deleted it and posted on the "cat" thread!

I'll just leave this here since it is "800" cuz nobody likes to post the last post before it turns over, eh?
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Oct 4, 2012 - 11:40pm PT
DoGooders

Take heed that you do not do your charitable deeds before men, to be seen by them. Otherwise you have no reward from your father in heaven. Therefore when you do a charitable deed do not sound a trumpet before you as the Hypocritiesdo in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory from men. Assuredly I say to you they have their reward. But when you do a charitable deed do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, that your charitable deed may be in secret and your father who sees in secret will Himself reward you openly. Teachings by Jesus

Jus Help'in
BB
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Oct 5, 2012 - 12:19am PT
Don't do good things that can be seen by people?

If it helps someone, then it's not a secret, right?

That's not much help.
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