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mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Oct 5, 2012 - 12:19pm PT
"God, are you listening? It's me, Albert."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/02/us-einstein-letter-idUSBRE89117820121002

Rats be still aboard, Capn'n. Arrgh.... .. cough, cough... ..sar.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Oct 5, 2012 - 02:42pm PT
Seven years in Tibet

My favorite quote; "Heinrich, this is the major difference between the Tibetan culture and your culture. While you admire the man who pushes his way to the top in any walk of life.
Tibetans admire the man who abandons his ego. ". This is sweet nectar!

Spending millions of dollars to own someone else's handwriting is so Neanderthal. a definite attempt to try and showcase one's ego. What's he gonna to do dance around with it and sing look what I got Einstein's autograph? Stupid! I hope the Vatican buys it and stores away in the vault!
What's the big deal about Einstein anyway? He didn't create or invent anything. He just theorized on other people's discoveries. Sure he was a brainiac with numbers. But he obviously didn't know his own soul.

What's the psyche of people who buy autographed sports memorabilia for large amounts of money? Does this let them feel close to the stars achievements? Or just bowing down to their idols? Oh lucky me I just got Kobes autographed jersey for 500 bucks. Aren't I cool!
SOOOO QUEER!
* not the homosexual type of queer*
Jus Queev'in
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QITNL

climber
Oct 5, 2012 - 02:59pm PT
Hey Jesus Boy, take your homophobia elsewhere. Go rape an altar boy. Go to church.

More "Christians" buy NBA apparel than gay folks. Fact. So let's give you last statement a quick fix:

Oh lucky me I just got Kobes autographed jersey for 500 bucks. Aren't I cool!
SOOOO CHRISTIAN!

I spoke with Jesus last night, he told me to give you this message:



So there's two people you've pissed off on this CLIMBING FORUM. Two people who normally stay out of these garbage threads.

Nice work!

Watch this. 30 seconds. Get the message.



Now get your butt out of this temple, run along.
rectorsquid

climber
Lake Tahoe
Oct 5, 2012 - 03:10pm PT
But he obviously didn't know his own soul.

It is disgusting how religious types act like they know what only God would know. To talk about abandoning one's ego and they claim to know if another man knows his own soul? It is pathetic.

To abandon ones ego is to abandon self-righteousness which is something that I have never seen a believer do. I have yet to see someone humble enough to say that they believe in God but are unsure in that belief because they they accept that they have weakness and could be wrong about it.

I might be wrong about my belief. Are you believers humble enough to say the same?

Dave
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Oct 5, 2012 - 03:50pm PT
Thanks guys
I am not a homophobe. I too am guilty of Homo acts. I didnt say "gay" like in your video. to me gay means merry joyful happy not homosexual the Webster's definition of queer;
Strange,unusual, or out of alignment. Gimme a break!

In no way am I trying to be self righteous!! Every day I humble myself before the Lord.
And he props me up. Today He has called me to speak boldly in the world. I am merely pointing out misgiveings that I notice. And exposing the lies.
By no means am I trying to ridicule anyone just asking you to think...

Hey it was Einstein that said he didn't believe in his soul.

Jus apollogiz'in
BB
MikeL

climber
SANTA CLARA, CA
Oct 5, 2012 - 06:18pm PT
Feeling good is a "reward". Feeling like a decent human being is a "reward". Knowing that someone I care about is happier or safer is a "reward".

Check out recent neuroscience research on the internal payoff of altruism.

Ah, yes, . . . payoffs. We need to get all these things measured and balanced out in an equation so that we can figure out what's right and what's wrong. I didn't know that neuroscience had become the new (or replacement field) for the field of ethics. Great. Things will be so much easier now. No more ambiguity. No more struggling over meaning. No more uncertainty.

Again (and again, again, again), this is rationality run amok. Not everything fits into a mental rational model. There is no rationality to art, to ethics, or really to anything that appears in front of you constantly.

Forget about virtue, forget about what a god might say, forget about rewards, forget about feeling good, forget about what you think or what you've been told is right and what is wrong. Just try to be more in harmony with the universe. There's no ethics in putting a socket to a bolt and loosening it or tightening it. It's just what is appropriate. To put it another way, the better you understand reality for what it is (it's everything, it's non-dual, it's indescribable, it's infinite, it has no middle, etc.), the more you will not be able to help yourself being one with it. When you oppose it (seeing "things" as objects, for example), that's when you start to make unskillful distinctions that only separate you from IT.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Oct 5, 2012 - 09:25pm PT
Just try to be more in harmony with the universe.
how strange that phrase sounds to me... how can one be anything but in harmony with the universe? from my point of view, we are just a part of the universe... one and the same...

Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Oct 5, 2012 - 09:35pm PT
Have astrophysicists agreed on a determinate sum of time for a neutron star (1.5 sun's mass) too cool to the ambient temperature of the universe, Dr Ed ?

(Not intended as a debating point...just curious)
jstan

climber
Oct 5, 2012 - 09:43pm PT
What choice available to a human, would be out of harmony with the universe?

In this universe a particle gets from point A to point B by taking all possible paths.

In such, what the hell is harmony?
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Oct 5, 2012 - 09:45pm PT
not sure what your question is Jennie... is the question:

how long does it take for a neutron star to cool to the "ambient" temperature of the universe?

MikeL

climber
SANTA CLARA, CA
Oct 5, 2012 - 09:51pm PT
how can one be anything but in harmony with the universe? from my point of view, we are just a part of the universe... one and the same...

Yes. But not exactly. Not a part, but one and the same (your words--and great words at that).

As the conversation wandered into issues of what is right and wrong, etc., evaluations and ethics arose. This is good, that is bad, this is correct, that is incorrect, Obama is right, Romney is wrong, helping old women across the streets is good, murdering 7 million Jews is bad, yada yada. The evaluations are meaningful as speech acts, but they stand for nothing . . . . just like particles, gravity, and centrifugal force. They are terms that purportedly reference reality as speech acts, but the objects referenced do not independently exist. They are in the universe but they refer to nothing if they refer to objects in the universe.

It's a very tricky thing trying to say anything at all. About the only thing one can say without contradiction is IT and I AM. If you hold those two notions up simultaneously, you'd perhaps see that "I AM . . . IT."
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Oct 5, 2012 - 09:55pm PT
Yes...I couldn't find anything definitive on the web or astronomy texts...just the span of time for white dwarfs to cool.

Thought you might know...if there is no agreement in the scientific community, we ccould let the question ride...

Thanks, Ed.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Oct 5, 2012 - 10:07pm PT
They are in the universe but they refer to nothing if they refer to objects in the universe.

strange to make that distinction... the words are a part of the universe, too, and the ideas expressed by those words, how could they be different?

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Oct 5, 2012 - 10:20pm PT
neutron stars -
to "cool" there has to be some energy loss mechanism, and we see such a thing in the "spin-down" of pulsars, which radiate the energy into electromagnetic waves...

but the nature of a neutron star is that the "fermi repulsion" of the neutrons prevents the star from collapsing, that is, since two fermions (and neutrons are fermions) cannot occupy the same state, the effective pressure that prevents that maintains the neutron start in hydrostatic equilibrium.

in this simple model, the neutron star hangs around forever, losing energy very slowly...

but we don't know the equation-of-state of neutron matter, and we also don't know all the possible collective modes that can occur, and little about the quark-gluon equation of state (in bulk) which might be important in the interior of the neutron star.

so there is a lack of understanding of this sort of material which leads to uncertainty in the description of the evolution of neutron stars.

there is progress in nuclear physics in understanding infinite neutron matter, and in relativistic heavy ion physics in understanding the phase transition from "hadron gas" (which are the neutrons in this case) and the "quark-gluon" phases... many experiments, at RHIC, at LHC at GSI will be probing around and connecting with lattice Quantum Chromodynamics (lQCD) and we expect to learn much more of relevance to neutron stars

Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Oct 5, 2012 - 10:31pm PT
Thanks, Ed. I'd read white dwarfs may take over a trillion years to conduct heat away and cool.

Much of this is over my head...I read about the interior of a neutron star being in a superfluid state and allowing heat to be released to the crust by convection which might cool the star faster than expected...

Again, just curious about the numbers...a trillion years for a white dwarf to cool is mind-boggling and I wondered about neutron stars.

Thanks for your post !
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Oct 8, 2012 - 03:15pm PT


Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Oct 8, 2012 - 03:20pm PT
when you are of the christian faith,
of which i have ingested,

you patiently await the now,
always live in the "might be,"
and run niley-wiley from reality.

when you don the athiest crown,
forever is only like two-nights long,
with the right girl.
splitter

Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Oct 8, 2012 - 04:56pm PT
Yo, listen up ya'll, Billy D has sumpthin' applicable to say...
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Oct 8, 2012 - 06:51pm PT
My Reality.

My reality is willy-nilly.
Having resonance with my creator.
I am in tune with the waves of control.
Feeling the rock is solid as my tooth.
My body is contoured to be a sacrifice for gain.
My mind is a flutter with the prescribed pain.
My spirit rockets on the hopes of the proposal of fame.
But my ambitions could be quenched by the verdict of shame.
Whilst my heart is playing another game.
My soul warns me that we are all the same.
I give thanks to the Lord, on a job well done.
And ask for strength, to keep hang'in on.
As he wraps his arms, around me and sez
I Love U Son

Jus Ryhm'in
BB
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Oct 8, 2012 - 07:40pm PT
I didn't know that neuroscience had become the new (or replacement field) for the field of ethics.

You're not seeing the big picture. It didn't.

Forget about virtue, forget about what a god might say, forget about rewards, forget about feeling good, forget about what you think or what you've been told is right and what is wrong. Just try to be more in harmony with the universe.

Harmony according to which culture? You're not by any chance under the impression that all cultures have the same definitions for socially-acceptable behavior, are you?

There's no ethics in putting a socket to a bolt and loosening it or tightening it.

Only appropriate to those who want it tightened or loosened.

Try telling it to a psychopath...

When you've read up on the neuroscience I'm referring to, let's discuss again.
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